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45-70 projectiles

Post by AZZA'S HJ47 » 25 Jun 2017, 5:06 pm

Just wondering what you guys are using and cost have just made the jump to 45-70 just curious as to reloading what seems to work well
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Post by in2anity » 25 Jun 2017, 6:07 pm

AZZA'S HJ47 wrote:Just wondering what you guys are using and cost have just made the jump to 45-70 just curious as to reloading what seems to work well
Hopefully pick up my marlin1895 sbl this comming week :clap:


Cast lead over a medium-fast burn like 2205 or 2207. Or Trail Boss for economy / plinking / fun. 405s are the classic proj, but I think the CASL shooters opt for a little lighter perhaps the 300/350gns? Flatter and nicer to shoot. Gamerancher and Bigpete will have something to say I'd reckon :drinks:
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Post by bigpete » 25 Jun 2017, 6:43 pm

Lol yep. I'm loving the 405 cast projectiles but I'm using 2208. Shot some very nice groups with them today doing some informal sighting.
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Post by bigpete » 25 Jun 2017, 6:47 pm

So cost wise. If I weren't casting my own projectiles I'd be expecting it to cost around the 80c a shot mark after securing brass. As I am casting my own its probably only costing me maybe 30c a shot ?
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Post by AZZA'S HJ47 » 25 Jun 2017, 6:55 pm

May have to look into the casting thing i have a almost unlimited supply of lead so may be the wag to go.
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Post by bigpete » 25 Jun 2017, 7:18 pm

I think its the way to go if you want to shoot it a lot. But be aware its not quite as easy as just casting them and shooting them,as I'm finding out lol
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Post by Supaduke » 25 Jun 2017, 9:21 pm

Jacketed stuff, you are looking at around .80c to $1.50

Buying hard cast stuff with coatings , about .25c to .40c
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Post by bigpete » 26 Jun 2017, 1:00 am

Where are you getting hard cast that cheap ?
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Post by Supaduke » 26 Jun 2017, 6:09 am

Centreway, I think I paid about $80 for 250 HRBC.
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Post by bigpete » 26 Jun 2017, 9:16 am

Ah OK. That's about how much west casting is for 250 405gn before post. After post they're about 55c each. Its almost not worth casting at that price lol
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Post by bigpete » 26 Jun 2017, 9:17 am

So yours are 32c a shot
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Post by Supaduke » 26 Jun 2017, 10:28 am

Yeah, for the copperhawkes. The plain lead ones are a bit cheaper, lighter pills are a bit cheaper again.
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Post by bigpete » 26 Jun 2017, 11:25 am

That's pretty good really. Copper hawks ? What's the go with them ? I've looked on the hrbc site s few times and they don't seem very forthcoming with info
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Post by Supaduke » 26 Jun 2017, 12:57 pm

They may not make them anymore. They are coated in a copper wash and can be pushed to around 2000fps without the need for gas checks or leading up your barrel. I have found them to be not so good when pushed at moderate speeds (900-1300fps) with trail boss though. I think the uncoated ones are much better for cowboy loads.
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Post by bigpete » 26 Jun 2017, 2:05 pm

Damn wish they still made them then
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Post by in2anity » 26 Jun 2017, 3:10 pm

I'm not sure they were a copper wash, rather a copper-coloured, polymer-like coating/dry lubrication that could withstand higher velocities than their blackhawks and silverhawks. There was no copper plating if that's what your imagining. The blackhawkes were still good up to around 1500fps anyway, so really the copperhawkes were more of a fast hunting round (in theory); but without gas-checks I never had much luck past 1500fps anyway (in the accuracy department that is), so IMO the copperhawkes weren't any better for plinking or target shooting than the blackhawks, and they were slightly more expensive. And the silvers were great for mild TB loads, i.e. close range cowboy action fun.

In any case, as stated on their website these days "HRBC offers a high performance dry lubrication on all of our projectiles" with a BH of around 16. My takeaway from that is the projectiles would at the very least perform as well as their old blackhawks did, which would be fine for (close to) full-speed 45/70 loads.

I'll go back to them again, they made a pretty darn good bullet. They were just a bit unavailable during the move, which is why I went with Westcastings more recently. Give them a go I say; heck request a sample at the very least. That's what I'd be shooting if I were in the market for 45/70 bullets
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Post by bigpete » 26 Jun 2017, 6:40 pm

You use west casting bullets ? How hard can you push them ? They told me you can push them to 2000fps so I'm reasonably keen to get some in
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Post by in2anity » 26 Jun 2017, 8:04 pm

bigpete wrote:You use west casting bullets ? How hard can you push them ? They told me you can push them to 2000fps so I'm reasonably keen to get some in


Yeah you can push the west castings fast - I pushed their 165gns up to 1800fps without any signs of keyholing/leading, and they were hitting hard, possibly could have gone faster. But I get best accuracy at 1500fps though; around 2moa strings of shots, slightly tighter for 3 shot groups. But that's through a 20" microgroove - I'd bet your 26" ballard would group to 1moa with the perfect load bp. TBH I'm not sure about AR2208 under lead - if possible if I were you bp I'd be experimenting up towards the faster end of the spectrum, just IMO of course.
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Post by AZZA'S HJ47 » 26 Jun 2017, 10:53 pm

Think i have hit the jackpot with this thread plent to look into. Anyone run the hornady 325g fxt i think it is for a hunting round?
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Post by Supaduke » 27 Jun 2017, 6:28 am

I use the 325gr FTX, great round. Push them out with 50gr of 2207 and believe me when I say , they really knock the cobwebs out when you touch one off.

It should be noted, with FTX rounds , you need slightly shorter brass. It's around 1-2mm. Otherwise they won't feed properly through a lever gun.
You also need a special bullet seater so you don't squash the soft tips (available as a stand alone part from Hornady)

I just bought a couple packets of Leverlution rounds with the brass already trimmed and reload that. They do fly a little flatter than standard hollow points.
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Post by bigpete » 27 Jun 2017, 9:07 am

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A couple of groups I shot. Bottom is hard cast 405gn over 45gn of 2208 6 shots. Top is 300gn Winchester factory ammo
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Post by in2anity » 27 Jun 2017, 9:30 am

what distance BP? Winchester looking good mate :thumbsup:
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Post by bigpete » 27 Jun 2017, 10:39 am

Sorry that's only 50m. With the factory open sights which I can't see very well.
I actually believe the cast lead will shoot better but I didn't have a clear aiming point. The factory stuff I aimed at the other bullet holes
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Post by in2anity » 27 Jun 2017, 11:35 am

bigpete wrote:Sorry that's only 50m. With the factory open sights which I can't see very well.
I actually believe the cast lead will shoot better but I didn't have a clear aiming point. The factory stuff I aimed at the other bullet holes


You should throw a scope on her for load development
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Post by bigpete » 27 Jun 2017, 12:37 pm

Funny you should say that lol
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Post by browndog » 11 Aug 2017, 5:00 pm

I cast 325 gn hollow points from a noe mold. Gas checked I get over 2000 fps. More than enough. I have used up to 500 gn gas checked at 1800fps but it was very savage in a ruger no.3 carbine.
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