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Re: .223 cheap loads

Post by bigfellascott » 23 Oct 2017, 5:37 am

bladeracer wrote:
bigfellascott wrote:What's so hard about storing 4kg bottles compared to 500g ones? :?


The size of the 4kg bottle. It takes up a lot more room than a 500gm bottle :-)


Ya need a better storage setup then - I've got 3 storage cabinets for all my ammo and powder etc. Only real prob with 4kg is the need to spend around $400 for the bloody things (500g isn't so hard on the wallet which is good for those who can't find $400 up front so to speak) but the other good thing about buying in bulk is you lock the price in and don't have to suffer the cost increases which seem to be just going Nth all the time sadly. I was lucky and bought a couple of 4kg bottles for $260 a few years back so won't be needing to buy any for some time (going to be a bitch when I have to buy more going by the price rises :shock:
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Re: .223 cheap loads

Post by bladeracer » 23 Oct 2017, 6:32 am

bigfellascott wrote:Ya need a better storage setup then - I've got 3 storage cabinets for all my ammo and powder etc. Only real prob with 4kg is the need to spend around $400 for the bloody things (500g isn't so hard on the wallet which is good for those who can't find $400 up front so to speak) but the other good thing about buying in bulk is you lock the price in and don't have to suffer the cost increases which seem to be just going Nth all the time sadly. I was lucky and bought a couple of 4kg bottles for $260 a few years back so won't be needing to buy any for some time (going to be a bitch when I have to buy more going by the price rises :shock:


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Re: .223 cheap loads

Post by bigfellascott » 23 Oct 2017, 6:41 am

bladeracer wrote:
bigfellascott wrote:Ya need a better storage setup then - I've got 3 storage cabinets for all my ammo and powder etc. Only real prob with 4kg is the need to spend around $400 for the bloody things (500g isn't so hard on the wallet which is good for those who can't find $400 up front so to speak) but the other good thing about buying in bulk is you lock the price in and don't have to suffer the cost increases which seem to be just going Nth all the time sadly. I was lucky and bought a couple of 4kg bottles for $260 a few years back so won't be needing to buy any for some time (going to be a bitch when I have to buy more going by the price rises :shock:


Storage is a never-ending problem :-)


It certainly can be, lockable filing cabinets are great and can be had fairly cheaply. :thumbsup:
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Re: .223 cheap loads

Post by bladeracer » 23 Oct 2017, 6:55 am

bigfellascott wrote:It certainly can be, lockable filing cabinets are great and can be had fairly cheaply. :thumbsup:


That's true but I hate storing things in filing cabinets. I like to be able to reach what I want without having to dig it out of a stack of stuff :-) That's why I like the 3-rifle safe laid horizontally.
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Re: .223 cheap loads

Post by on_one_wheel » 23 Oct 2017, 7:24 am

bladeracer wrote:
d3driver wrote:
bladeracer wrote:Otherwise, buy your rifle powders in 4kg bottles, much cheaper than the 500gm ones.


Can you point me to where I can find a 4kg bottle at an appreciably cheaper price per gram than a 500g? using the reloading calculator spreadsheet, and all the places I have found so far with pricing available, the difference between buying 500g and 4kg is about 2-3c per load...

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Just ask your dealer to order it for you.
I pay $375 for 4kg of AR2206H.
I pay around $60 for 500gm bottles. If you're paying well under $50 then stick with the 500gm bottles, they're easier to store.



They won't sell me a 4kg in SA ... apparently it's beyond the limit that they are allowed to sell here.
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Re: .223 cheap loads

Post by RoginaJack » 23 Oct 2017, 3:37 pm

Mitch@Ripley, the other day when I was at the SSAA Belmont range, there was a guy collecting spent 22 cases; he makes his own for a 223. I've no idea of weights etc but the groups were nice and tight. If you're ever up there, ask around, might be worth it.
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Re: .223 cheap loads

Post by on_one_wheel » 23 Oct 2017, 4:20 pm

sungazer wrote:That is BS you LGS will have a 20-30kg limit due to worksafe so they dont like to keep a big qty that may not sell quickly in stock as it limits there other stock. The same restrictions don't apply to individuals. Try here http://www.riflesa.asn.au/price_lists/powder.htm


That's interesting, they told me there was a legal issue and 1kg was the limit.

Perhaps the only legal issue is their ability to store enough to keep everyone with just enough.
Me taking almost one fith of their power on hand probably throws a spanner in the works.

I'm not about to get upset about it but I will quiz them again next visit.
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Post by Oldbloke » 23 Oct 2017, 6:17 pm

The quantity they can store will depend on the quality of the storage facility. Pretty sure Work safe authorise the quantities.
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Re: .223 cheap loads

Post by bladeracer » 23 Oct 2017, 8:39 pm

on_one_wheel wrote:
sungazer wrote:That is BS you LGS will have a 20-30kg limit due to worksafe so they dont like to keep a big qty that may not sell quickly in stock as it limits there other stock. The same restrictions don't apply to individuals. Try here http://www.riflesa.asn.au/price_lists/powder.htm


That's interesting, they told me there was a legal issue and 1kg was the limit.

Perhaps the only legal issue is their ability to store enough to keep everyone with just enough.
Me taking almost one fith of their power on hand probably throws a spanner in the works.

I'm not about to get upset about it but I will quiz them again next visit.


They should be happy to order it in for you.
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Re: .223 cheap loads

Post by bigfellascott » 23 Oct 2017, 8:46 pm

on_one_wheel wrote:
sungazer wrote:That is BS you LGS will have a 20-30kg limit due to worksafe so they dont like to keep a big qty that may not sell quickly in stock as it limits there other stock. The same restrictions don't apply to individuals. Try here http://www.riflesa.asn.au/price_lists/powder.htm


That's interesting, they told me there was a legal issue and 1kg was the limit.

Perhaps the only legal issue is their ability to store enough to keep everyone with just enough.
Me taking almost one fith of their power on hand probably throws a spanner in the works.

I'm not about to get upset about it but I will quiz them again next visit.


How the hell can ADI sell 4kg bottles of the stuff then? :unknown:
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Re: .223 cheap loads

Post by bladeracer » 23 Oct 2017, 9:22 pm

bigfellascott wrote:How the hell can ADI sell 4kg bottles of the stuff then? :unknown:


Not too many dealers are set up to store heaps of powder, but they should be more than happy to order it in for you.
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Re: .223 cheap loads

Post by Oldbloke » 24 Oct 2017, 1:21 am

Their storage may be limited to small quantities. Each LGS will be different.
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Re: .223 cheap loads

Post by Mitch@Ripley » 10 Nov 2017, 8:10 pm

Last week I finally received my 62gr FMJ projectiles from Gaz (Thanks again) must have been some problems with shipping as they were sent months ago, anyway, I have loaded 30 of them up and plan on testing them within the next 2 weeks. has anybody had experience with these? they have the steel penetrator rods.
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Re: .223 cheap loads

Post by Stix » 11 Nov 2017, 10:32 am

on_one_wheel wrote:They won't sell me a 4kg in SA ... apparently it's beyond the limit that they are allowed to sell here.


sungazer wrote:That is BS you LGS will have a 20-30kg limit due to worksafe so they dont like to keep a big qty that may not sell quickly in stock as it limits there other stock. The same restrictions don't apply to individuals. Try here http://www.riflesa.asn.au/price_lists/powder.htm


Hey O_o_w...Sungazer is right...
Try rifle sa/sara...usually cheaper than gun shops too.
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