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Re: .223 cheap loads

Post by on_one_wheel » 16 Oct 2017, 4:46 pm

Lets see some pricing.

Here's my .223 costs.

1000 Winchester small primers. $65 / 1000
ADI 2208 Powder $50 / 500 grams
Hornady Z max 55 grain $155 / 500

So for my 25.5 grain loads the cost is
(assuming the brass is free)

Powder 41c ( edit: that should be 16.5c ) :oops:
Projectile 31c
Primer 6.5c
Total = 54 cents per round


If my calculations are correct
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Re: .223 cheap loads

Post by Tripod » 16 Oct 2017, 6:07 pm

on_one_wheel wrote:Lets see some pricing.

Here's my .223 costs.

1000 Winchester small primers. $65 / 1000
ADI 2208 Powder $50 / 500 grams
Hornady Z max 55 grain $155 / 500

So for my 25.5 grain loads the cost is
(assuming the brass is free)

Powder 41c
Projectile 31c
Primer 6.5c
Total 78.5 cents per round


If my calculations are correct

powder works out to 18c actually
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Re: .223 cheap loads

Post by Mitch@Ripley » 16 Oct 2017, 6:29 pm

sungazer wrote:Plus the cost of the brass which isn't free and the barrel wear if you shoot a lot.



well brass may as well be free after 1 or 2 firings, and I doubt a 55grner would take all that much of a toll on barrel life. But yes, if you would like to get super technical, you could equate those
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Re: .223 cheap loads

Post by bladeracer » 16 Oct 2017, 6:33 pm

on_one_wheel wrote:Lets see some pricing.


.22LR CCI Standard Velocity $550/5000rds
11c each

.22LR Eley Edge $200/500rds
40c each

12-gauge
Winchester 7.5 2-3/4" 7/8oz $90/250rds
36c each (also with Lee 7/8oz slug cast from 7.5 shot)

12-gauge
Winchester 7.5 2-3/4" 7/8oz $90/250rds
Winchester BB's $94/10kg
59c each
36c each (recycled lead)

.204 Ruger 4400fps
Norma $110/100 (20+ loads)
24gn NTX $40/100
7-1/2 $80/1000
30gn AR2206H $375/4kg
72c each

.204 Ruger 2400fps
Hornady $100/100 (est 50+ loads)
32gn ZMax $110/500
7-1/2 $80/1000
8.5gn Trailboss $140/1.5kg
37c each

.243
Federal $170/100 (loaded ammo) (est 20+ loads)
87gn VMax $50/100
9-1/2M $80/1000
36gn AR2206H $375/4kg
88c each

.243
Winchester $80/100 (garbage - est 50+ loads)
58gn VMax $45/100
9-1/2M $80/1000
12gn Trailboss $140/1.5kg
62c each

6.5x52mm
S&B $90/100 (est 20+ loads)
160gn RN $80/100
9-1/2M $80/1000
28.5gn AR2206H $375/4kg
$1.10c each

6.5x55mm
S&B $90/100 (est 50+ loads)
95gn VMax $40/100
9-1/2M $80/1000
10gn Trailboss $140/1.5kg
61c each

6.5x55mm
S&B $90/100 (est 20+ loads)
140gn SST $65/100
9-1/2M $80/1000
34gn AR2206H $375/4kg
98c each

7mm-08
Norma $120/100 (est 20+ loads)
160gn Hotcore $70/100
9-1/2M $80/1000
36.5gn BM8208 $90/kg
$1.06c each

7mm-08
Norma $120/100 (est 20+ loads)
100gn HP $60/100
9-1/2M $80/1000
43.4gn AR2206H $375/4kg
$1.00c each

7mm-08
Norma $120/100 (est 50+ loads)
145gn Hotcore $54/100
9-1/2M $80/1000
10.5gn Trailboss $140/1.5kg
71c each

.303
S&B $90/100 (est 20+ loads)
150gn Interlock $200/500
9-1/2M $80/1000
38gn AR2206H $375/4kg
74c each

.303
S&B $90/100 (est 20+ loads)
100gn XTP $34/100
9-1/2M $80/1000
40gn AR2206H $375/4kg
71c each

.303
S&B $90/100 (est 50+ loads)
90gn Lee cast $90/1680 (7.5 shot)
9-1/2M $80/1000
14gn Trailboss $140/1.5kg
Gascheck $70/1000
33c each
27c each (recycled lead)

7.62x54R
S&B $90/100 (est 20+ loads)
150gn Interlock $200/500
9-1/2M $80/1000
42.5gn AR2206H $375/4kg
78c each

7.62x54R
S&B $90/100 (est 20+ loads)
100gn XTP $34/100
9-1/2M $80/1000
53gn AR2206H $375/4kg
79c each

7.62x54R
S&B $90/100 (est 50+ loads)
90gn Lee cast $90/1680 (7.5 shot)
9-1/2M $80/1000
14gn Trailboss $140/1.5kg
Gascheck $70/1000
33c each
27c each (recycled lead)

8x57mm
S&B $90/100 (est 20+ loads)
180gn Nosler BT $140/100
9-1/2M $80/1000
40gn AR2206H $375/4kg
$1.70c each

8x57mm
S&B $90/100 (est 50+ loads)
182gn Lee cast $90/835 (7.5 shot)
9-1/2M $80/1000
10gn Trailboss $140/1.5kg
Gascheck $70/1000
34c each
23c each (recycled lead)

.44 Magnum
Starline $52/100 (est 50+ loads)
265gn FTX $130/100
9-1/2M $80/1000
10gn AP70 $130/kg
$1.52c each

.44 Magnum
Starline $52/100 (est 100+ loads)
265gn CBE cast $90/570 (7.5 shot)
9-1/2M $80/1000
7.5gn Trailboss $140/1.5kg
Gascheck $70/1000
31c each
15c each (recycled lead)

.45 Blackpowder
75gn FFF $90/kg
.005" lubed patch $12/100
140gn round ball $90/1080 (7.5 shot)
Percussion cap $80/1000
70c each
62c each (recycled lead)
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Re: .223 cheap loads

Post by on_one_wheel » 16 Oct 2017, 7:07 pm

Tripod wrote:
on_one_wheel wrote:Lets see some pricing.

Here's my .223 costs.

1000 Winchester small primers. $65 / 1000
ADI 2208 Powder $50 / 500 grams
Hornady Z max 55 grain $155 / 500

So for my 25.5 grain loads the cost is
(assuming the brass is free)

Powder 41c
Projectile 31c
Primer 6.5c
Total 78.5 cents per round


If my calculations are correct

powder works out to 18c actually


Ok ... I just crunched the numbers again
7716 grains per 500 grams for 5000 cents
5000 ÷ 7716 = 0.648 cents per grain, times 25.5 grains = 16.52 cents worth of powder per round

Thanks Tripod, You've just saved me a massive 24.5 cents per round !!! :drinks:
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Re: .223 cheap loads

Post by in2anity » 16 Oct 2017, 7:09 pm

+1 for ye olde CCI-SV, costs me $18 (worth of rounds) a session to plink 150
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Re: .223 cheap loads

Post by bladeracer » 17 Oct 2017, 1:44 pm

on_one_wheel wrote:
Tripod wrote:
on_one_wheel wrote:Lets see some pricing.

Here's my .223 costs.

1000 Winchester small primers. $65 / 1000
ADI 2208 Powder $50 / 500 grams
Hornady Z max 55 grain $155 / 500

So for my 25.5 grain loads the cost is
(assuming the brass is free)

Powder 41c
Projectile 31c
Primer 6.5c
Total 78.5 cents per round


If my calculations are correct

powder works out to 18c actually


Ok ... I just crunched the numbers again
7716 grains per 500 grams for 5000 cents
5000 ÷ 7716 = 0.648 cents per grain, times 25.5 grains = 16.52 cents worth of powder per round

Thanks Tripod, You've just saved me a massive 24.5 cents per round !!! :drinks:


Probably throws my figures a bit as well as I work on 15200gns per kg.
And I just use $94/kg for all my powders, including black - it's close enough.
And cast bullets won't be the specified weight unless you use the exact alloy which will throw out the number cast per kg.
My 200gn .429's actually weigh 215gns in pure lead.

Based on rounds fired and dollars spent being able to fire them (everything spent on shooting), I make it around $4.28 per shot, including rimfire - no wonder it's so much fun :-) And the cost per rabbit and fox taken looks more like a government department's cost-benefit analysis!

My Ruger Compact has fired more rounds (during my possession) than any other rifle I own, and it's just approaching half the cost of the rifle ($1600) in ammo it's eaten ($720).
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Re: .223 cheap loads

Post by d3driver » 22 Oct 2017, 6:18 pm

bladeracer wrote:Otherwise, buy your rifle powders in 4kg bottles, much cheaper than the 500gm ones.


Can you point me to where I can find a 4kg bottle at an appreciably cheaper price per gram than a 500g? using the reloading calculator spreadsheet, and all the places I have found so far with pricing available, the difference between buying 500g and 4kg is about 2-3c per load...

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Re: .223 cheap loads

Post by bladeracer » 22 Oct 2017, 6:38 pm

d3driver wrote:
bladeracer wrote:Otherwise, buy your rifle powders in 4kg bottles, much cheaper than the 500gm ones.


Can you point me to where I can find a 4kg bottle at an appreciably cheaper price per gram than a 500g? using the reloading calculator spreadsheet, and all the places I have found so far with pricing available, the difference between buying 500g and 4kg is about 2-3c per load...

Ta


Just ask your dealer to order it for you.
I pay $375 for 4kg of AR2206H.
I pay around $60 for 500gm bottles. If you're paying well under $50 then stick with the 500gm bottles, they're easier to store.
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Re: .223 cheap loads

Post by bigfellascott » 22 Oct 2017, 9:25 pm

bladeracer wrote:
d3driver wrote:
bladeracer wrote:Otherwise, buy your rifle powders in 4kg bottles, much cheaper than the 500gm ones.


Can you point me to where I can find a 4kg bottle at an appreciably cheaper price per gram than a 500g? using the reloading calculator spreadsheet, and all the places I have found so far with pricing available, the difference between buying 500g and 4kg is about 2-3c per load...

Ta


Just ask your dealer to order it for you.
I pay $375 for 4kg of AR2206H.
I pay around $60 for 500gm bottles. If you're paying well under $50 then stick with the 500gm bottles, they're easier to store.


What's so hard about storing 4kg bottles compared to 500g ones? :?
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Re: .223 cheap loads

Post by bigfellascott » 22 Oct 2017, 9:28 pm

d3driver wrote:
bladeracer wrote:Otherwise, buy your rifle powders in 4kg bottles, much cheaper than the 500gm ones.


Can you point me to where I can find a 4kg bottle at an appreciably cheaper price per gram than a 500g? using the reloading calculator spreadsheet, and all the places I have found so far with pricing available, the difference between buying 500g and 4kg is about 2-3c per load...

Ta


basically it works out that when you buy 4kg bottles you get 500gm free compared to buying 4kg worth of powder in 500gm bottles so yes it does save you money buying in bulk, same goes for projectiles too as a rule, more you buy bulk the more you save, having said that I wouldn't buy anything in bulk until you have settled on a load that shoots well in your rifle/s then it's definitely worth buying in bulk to save a few $$. :drinks:
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Re: .223 cheap loads

Post by bladeracer » 23 Oct 2017, 12:03 am

bigfellascott wrote:What's so hard about storing 4kg bottles compared to 500g ones? :?


The size of the 4kg bottle. It takes up a lot more room than a 500gm bottle :-)
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Re: .223 cheap loads

Post by bigfellascott » 23 Oct 2017, 5:37 am

bladeracer wrote:
bigfellascott wrote:What's so hard about storing 4kg bottles compared to 500g ones? :?


The size of the 4kg bottle. It takes up a lot more room than a 500gm bottle :-)


Ya need a better storage setup then - I've got 3 storage cabinets for all my ammo and powder etc. Only real prob with 4kg is the need to spend around $400 for the bloody things (500g isn't so hard on the wallet which is good for those who can't find $400 up front so to speak) but the other good thing about buying in bulk is you lock the price in and don't have to suffer the cost increases which seem to be just going Nth all the time sadly. I was lucky and bought a couple of 4kg bottles for $260 a few years back so won't be needing to buy any for some time (going to be a bitch when I have to buy more going by the price rises :shock:
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Re: .223 cheap loads

Post by bladeracer » 23 Oct 2017, 6:32 am

bigfellascott wrote:Ya need a better storage setup then - I've got 3 storage cabinets for all my ammo and powder etc. Only real prob with 4kg is the need to spend around $400 for the bloody things (500g isn't so hard on the wallet which is good for those who can't find $400 up front so to speak) but the other good thing about buying in bulk is you lock the price in and don't have to suffer the cost increases which seem to be just going Nth all the time sadly. I was lucky and bought a couple of 4kg bottles for $260 a few years back so won't be needing to buy any for some time (going to be a bitch when I have to buy more going by the price rises :shock:


Storage is a never-ending problem :-)
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Re: .223 cheap loads

Post by bigfellascott » 23 Oct 2017, 6:41 am

bladeracer wrote:
bigfellascott wrote:Ya need a better storage setup then - I've got 3 storage cabinets for all my ammo and powder etc. Only real prob with 4kg is the need to spend around $400 for the bloody things (500g isn't so hard on the wallet which is good for those who can't find $400 up front so to speak) but the other good thing about buying in bulk is you lock the price in and don't have to suffer the cost increases which seem to be just going Nth all the time sadly. I was lucky and bought a couple of 4kg bottles for $260 a few years back so won't be needing to buy any for some time (going to be a bitch when I have to buy more going by the price rises :shock:


Storage is a never-ending problem :-)


It certainly can be, lockable filing cabinets are great and can be had fairly cheaply. :thumbsup:
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Re: .223 cheap loads

Post by bladeracer » 23 Oct 2017, 6:55 am

bigfellascott wrote:It certainly can be, lockable filing cabinets are great and can be had fairly cheaply. :thumbsup:


That's true but I hate storing things in filing cabinets. I like to be able to reach what I want without having to dig it out of a stack of stuff :-) That's why I like the 3-rifle safe laid horizontally.
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Re: .223 cheap loads

Post by on_one_wheel » 23 Oct 2017, 7:24 am

bladeracer wrote:
d3driver wrote:
bladeracer wrote:Otherwise, buy your rifle powders in 4kg bottles, much cheaper than the 500gm ones.


Can you point me to where I can find a 4kg bottle at an appreciably cheaper price per gram than a 500g? using the reloading calculator spreadsheet, and all the places I have found so far with pricing available, the difference between buying 500g and 4kg is about 2-3c per load...

Ta


Just ask your dealer to order it for you.
I pay $375 for 4kg of AR2206H.
I pay around $60 for 500gm bottles. If you're paying well under $50 then stick with the 500gm bottles, they're easier to store.



They won't sell me a 4kg in SA ... apparently it's beyond the limit that they are allowed to sell here.
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Re: .223 cheap loads

Post by RoginaJack » 23 Oct 2017, 3:37 pm

Mitch@Ripley, the other day when I was at the SSAA Belmont range, there was a guy collecting spent 22 cases; he makes his own for a 223. I've no idea of weights etc but the groups were nice and tight. If you're ever up there, ask around, might be worth it.
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Re: .223 cheap loads

Post by on_one_wheel » 23 Oct 2017, 4:20 pm

sungazer wrote:That is BS you LGS will have a 20-30kg limit due to worksafe so they dont like to keep a big qty that may not sell quickly in stock as it limits there other stock. The same restrictions don't apply to individuals. Try here http://www.riflesa.asn.au/price_lists/powder.htm


That's interesting, they told me there was a legal issue and 1kg was the limit.

Perhaps the only legal issue is their ability to store enough to keep everyone with just enough.
Me taking almost one fith of their power on hand probably throws a spanner in the works.

I'm not about to get upset about it but I will quiz them again next visit.
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Re: .223 cheap loads

Post by Oldbloke » 23 Oct 2017, 6:17 pm

The quantity they can store will depend on the quality of the storage facility. Pretty sure Work safe authorise the quantities.
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Re: .223 cheap loads

Post by bladeracer » 23 Oct 2017, 8:39 pm

on_one_wheel wrote:
sungazer wrote:That is BS you LGS will have a 20-30kg limit due to worksafe so they dont like to keep a big qty that may not sell quickly in stock as it limits there other stock. The same restrictions don't apply to individuals. Try here http://www.riflesa.asn.au/price_lists/powder.htm


That's interesting, they told me there was a legal issue and 1kg was the limit.

Perhaps the only legal issue is their ability to store enough to keep everyone with just enough.
Me taking almost one fith of their power on hand probably throws a spanner in the works.

I'm not about to get upset about it but I will quiz them again next visit.


They should be happy to order it in for you.
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Re: .223 cheap loads

Post by bigfellascott » 23 Oct 2017, 8:46 pm

on_one_wheel wrote:
sungazer wrote:That is BS you LGS will have a 20-30kg limit due to worksafe so they dont like to keep a big qty that may not sell quickly in stock as it limits there other stock. The same restrictions don't apply to individuals. Try here http://www.riflesa.asn.au/price_lists/powder.htm


That's interesting, they told me there was a legal issue and 1kg was the limit.

Perhaps the only legal issue is their ability to store enough to keep everyone with just enough.
Me taking almost one fith of their power on hand probably throws a spanner in the works.

I'm not about to get upset about it but I will quiz them again next visit.


How the hell can ADI sell 4kg bottles of the stuff then? :unknown:
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Re: .223 cheap loads

Post by bladeracer » 23 Oct 2017, 9:22 pm

bigfellascott wrote:How the hell can ADI sell 4kg bottles of the stuff then? :unknown:


Not too many dealers are set up to store heaps of powder, but they should be more than happy to order it in for you.
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Re: .223 cheap loads

Post by Oldbloke » 24 Oct 2017, 1:21 am

Their storage may be limited to small quantities. Each LGS will be different.
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Re: .223 cheap loads

Post by Mitch@Ripley » 10 Nov 2017, 8:10 pm

Last week I finally received my 62gr FMJ projectiles from Gaz (Thanks again) must have been some problems with shipping as they were sent months ago, anyway, I have loaded 30 of them up and plan on testing them within the next 2 weeks. has anybody had experience with these? they have the steel penetrator rods.
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Re: .223 cheap loads

Post by Stix » 11 Nov 2017, 10:32 am

on_one_wheel wrote:They won't sell me a 4kg in SA ... apparently it's beyond the limit that they are allowed to sell here.


sungazer wrote:That is BS you LGS will have a 20-30kg limit due to worksafe so they dont like to keep a big qty that may not sell quickly in stock as it limits there other stock. The same restrictions don't apply to individuals. Try here http://www.riflesa.asn.au/price_lists/powder.htm


Hey O_o_w...Sungazer is right...
Try rifle sa/sara...usually cheaper than gun shops too.
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