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Re: Loading Below Minimum

Post by in2anity » 27 Mar 2018, 12:33 pm

Gaznazdiak wrote:OB, it may seem laughable overkill to be exploding rabbits at 100m with a .223, but the topography and tall trees surrounding the shearing shed and silos and


Mate IMO, 100% the 223 will be much better than the 22lr for consistently culling rabbits out to 100m - it's by-construction a varmint round! Good luck (consistently) head-shoting a rabbit at 100m with the 22lr (which you need to do at that distance to guarantee the kill). If you want pinpoint accuracy with the 22lr you need to be using subs, which limits you to probably less than 75m because any breath of wind and your group will blow out to bigger than a bunnies head (they have hardly any energy left at 100m).

The way I see it, for the guaranteed killing rabbits with a 22lr it's sketchy AF reaching past 75m - sometimes you kill em, sometimes they run away with a slug in them. The 223 on the other hand, it's like a lazer at any distance inside 100m - just center-of-mass point, zero holdover, and poof, the rabbit is gone!
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Re: Loading Below Minimum

Post by Gaznazdiak » 27 Mar 2018, 12:50 pm

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Gaznazdiak wrote:OB, it may seem laughable overkill to be exploding rabbits at 100m with a .223, but the topography and tall trees surrounding the shearing shed and silos and


Mate IMO, 100% the 223 will be much better than the 22lr for consistently culling rabbits out to 100m - it's by-construction a varmint round! Good luck (consistently) head-shoting a rabbit at 100m with the 22lr (which you need to do at that distance to guarantee the kill). If you want pinpoint accuracy with the 22lr you need to be using subs, which limits you to probably less than 75m because any breath of wind and your group will blow out to bigger than a bunnies head.

The way I see it, for the guaranteed killing rabbits with a 22lr it's sketchy AF reaching past 75m - sometimes you kill em, sometimes they run away with a slug in them. The 223 on the other hand, it's like a lazer at those distances - just center-of-mass point, zero holdover, and poof, the rabbit is gone!



Gone is right, I have misjudged the downhill angle correction a couple of times and the round has hit the ground under the rabbit, but the force of the Ballistic Tip Nosler going off in the dirt has ripped them up anyway.
The unfortunate individual in the pic was the most spectacular result, with bits of guts 8 foot up the side of the shed and a good 15 feet away from where he was sitting.
I far prefer to obliterate them with overkill than risk a crawl-off.
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Re: Loading Below Minimum

Post by in2anity » 27 Mar 2018, 1:15 pm

Gaznazdiak wrote:Gone is right, I have misjudged the downhill angle correction a couple of times and the round has hit the ground under the rabbit, but the force of the Ballistic Tip Nosler going off in the dirt has ripped them up anyway.
The unfortunate individual in the pic was the most spectacular result, with bits of guts 8 foot up the side of the shed and a good 15 feet away from where he was sitting.
I far prefer to obliterate them with overkill than risk a crawl-off.


Amen. You've just gotta look at the condition of the (rimfire) silhouettes to realise how little energy the 22lr has at 100m (and even 77m) - the 40m chickens are cratered and bent AF, whereas the 100m rams are still absolutely pristine, it's such a good representation of the practical limits of the 22. Not to mention the drop the between a 40m zero and 100m is a full 10moa - any misjudgement of distance between about 65m and 100m and you will outright miss with the 22.

Nah, IMO your heads in the right place trying to optimize the lighter 223 projectile for rabbit control. KISS principle for hunting aye. OFC if you're going for pelts or meat, different story.
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Re: Loading Below Minimum

Post by sungazer » 27 Mar 2018, 2:08 pm

But if the lighter pill actually has to be shot much faster than a heavier one to be accurate it doesn't meet his other objective of not going through the rabbit and damaging buildings or a risk to others as there is no backstop.
It might need a bit of ballistic research to find the right projectile that delivers good accuracy with the least amount but enough energy to do the job. I really think those 32 grn need a faster powder and to be driven faster. A 50grn will be ok with the AR2206H and could be loaded down to a slower MV have the right accuracy and be the best round for the job.
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Post by in2anity » 27 Mar 2018, 2:20 pm

sungazer wrote:But if the lighter pill actually has to be shot much faster than a heavier one to be accurate it doesn't meet his other objective of not going through the rabbit and damaging buildings or a risk to others as there is no backstop.
It might need a bit of ballistic research to find the right projectile that delivers good accuracy with the least amount but enough energy to do the job. I really think those 32 grn need a faster powder and to be driven faster. A 50grn will be ok with the AR2206H and could be loaded down to a slower MV have the right accuracy and be the best round for the job.

Yes I must admit I'm presuming there's no risk of hitting any neighbours.
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Re: Loading Below Minimum

Post by Gwion » 27 Mar 2018, 2:40 pm

Trailboss is cheap and goes a long way in the way of the number of reloads you get from it.

I had a good load for it with 40gn varmint grenades. About 1" at 100m. I ran out of those bullets though. Now load 50gn zmax for decent results. Starts dropping quick past 100m, though.

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Post by in2anity » 27 Mar 2018, 2:48 pm

Gwion wrote:Trailboss is cheap and goes a long way in the way of the number of reloads you get from it.

I had a good load for it with 40gn varmint grenades. About 1" at 100m. I ran out of those bullets though. Now load 50gn zmax for decent results. Starts dropping quick past 100m, though.

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Trail Boss under a 32gn 204 projectiles is also amazingly flat inside 100m - alot flatter than I was expecting. Same POI as my max 2206 loads go figure! Bloody good powder that one - shoot it right through to my 44mag lead projectiles. Definitely worth a look OP.
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Re: Loading Below Minimum

Post by Strikey » 27 Mar 2018, 9:21 pm

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Gaznazdiak wrote:Gone is right, I have misjudged the downhill angle correction a couple of times and the round has hit the ground under the rabbit, but the force of the Ballistic Tip Nosler going off in the dirt has ripped them up anyway.
The unfortunate individual in the pic was the most spectacular result, with bits of guts 8 foot up the side of the shed and a good 15 feet away from where he was sitting.
I far prefer to obliterate them with overkill than risk a crawl-off.


Amen. You've just gotta look at the condition of the (rimfire) silhouettes to realise how little energy the 22lr has at 100m (and even 77m) - the 40m chickens are cratered and bent AF, whereas the 100m rams are still absolutely pristine, it's such a good representation of the practical limits of the 22. Not to mention the drop the between a 40m zero and 100m is a full 10moa - any misjudgement of distance between about 65m and 100m and you will outright miss with the 22.

Nah, IMO your heads in the right place trying to optimize the lighter 223 projectile for rabbit control. KISS principle for hunting aye. OFC if you're going for pelts or meat, different story.



Maybe the Rams are in "pristine" condition but a good centre hit with standard velocity 22lr sends them back a bit from the stand. A headshot on a rabbit only requires 5-6ft/lb of energy for a clean kill, a sub 12ft/lb air rifle kills rabbits out to 50-60yds without too much trouble and standard velocity 22lr ammo kills rabbits out to 120yds no problems not that I would recommend it for less experienced shooters.

Now back on topic, I think the problem with that little 35grn projie in the 223 with a 1 in 9 twist is an over stabilising problem, aren't they designed for the 22Hornet with a slower twist rate and of course lower velocities? I would think loading them on top of Trailboss will give better results :thumbsup:
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Re: Loading Below Minimum

Post by in2anity » 28 Mar 2018, 6:53 am

Strikey wrote:standard velocity 22lr ammo kills rabbits out to 120yds no problems not that I would recommend it for less experienced shooters.

Is this based on personal experience is it?? Tell me, what percentage of subsonic, body-shotted rabbits would you say are instantly incapacitated at such distances?
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Re: Loading Below Minimum

Post by marksman » 28 Mar 2018, 7:18 am

in my way of thinking shooting the slow 22 rimfire or 223 at 100 would be a disaster because of ricochet
IMO it would be better to use a fully frangible bullet but shooting away from things you do not want to shoot
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Re: Loading Below Minimum

Post by Gaznazdiak » 28 Mar 2018, 9:04 am

Thanks to everybody who took the time to give their advice.
I'll get some Trailboss and try pushing them a little quicker.
I might also give the Grenades a try as they seem to be the most frangible available.
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Re: Loading Below Minimum

Post by Strikey » 28 Mar 2018, 10:23 am

in2anity wrote:
Strikey wrote:standard velocity 22lr ammo kills rabbits out to 120yds no problems not that I would recommend it for less experienced shooters.

Is this based on personal experience is it?? Tell me, what percentage of subsonic, body-shotted rabbits would you say are instantly incapacitated at such distances?


I was talking headshots but if you insist a chest shot on a rabbit at that distance with a 22 and they don't go far, if you are such an experienced silhouette shooter you will know that your rifle needs to shoot MOA or less at that distance and a rabbits head is a big target compared to Rams when shooting offhand :thumbsup:
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Post by in2anity » 28 Mar 2018, 11:26 am

Strikey wrote:[
I was talking headshots but if you insist a chest shot on a rabbit at that distance with a 22 and they don't go far, if you are such an experienced silhouette shooter you will know that your rifle needs to shoot MOA or less at that distance and a rabbits head is a big target compared to Rams when shooting offhand :thumbsup:


Completely and utterly incorrect. The RMS targets are one-fifth the size of the Centrefire; the 100m RAM is approximately 6" wide by 5" tall. That's about the size of a school calculator. Now I don't know what bunnies you're shooting, but the ones I'm shooting have heads a lot smaller than a calculator. And that's exactly my point - even a mechanically moa 22lr will struggle to consistently hold a 1" group at 100m (under varying, real-world hunting conditions), which means it's a lucky-dip attempting headshot at such a distance. With 100% accuracy you'd probably miss 50% of your shots. So you go for body shots right? Ok sure you can hit em at that distance, but half the time they do a backflip and run away. I've learnt the hard way not to even attempt such long shots with the 22lr because it's outright cruel. This is where calibres like the 17hmr (or the 223 getting back to OP) really shine. And no, you don't need to offhand 1moa to hit the silhouettes; more like 4-5moa buddy. A 2moa rifle is plenty good enough to compete in a comp.

And since you brought my silhouette shooting experience into question mate (dunno where that came from BTW, I never claimed to be "mr experienced", I was merely referring to it as an example of how the 22lr dies in the arse past 60m); here's the facts - I'm a AA graded RMS shooter who competes in at least one RMS comp the last Sunday of every month. I have not missed a single session in the last 2 years. I practice silhouette as much as possible in addition to that. I'm not the best competitor, but I'm also definitely not the worst.

They're the facts mate - so don't go slinging unsubstantiated BS without expecting a harsh response. Sorry. :welcome:
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Re: Loading Below Minimum

Post by Stix » 28 Mar 2018, 11:47 am

Gaznazdiak wrote:Thanks to everybody who took the time to give their advice.
I'll get some Trailboss and try pushing them a little quicker.
I might also give the Grenades a try as they seem to be the most frangible available.
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Trailboss will push them slower mate...not quicker...!

Mate id listen to marksmans point just above...
Slower velocity will induce thru n thru's & ricochet's, especially if you're gut shooting the poor little hoppers...
If that proj doesnt work try a diff one. (When you said the groups open up I didnt ever imagine you'd be shooting 5" groups :shock: ).
Its velocity that will disintegrate a bullet, not lack of it.
If shooting foxes closer to houses/farm infrastructure i always use 204 or 22-250 as there is never anything left of the bullet at those velocities & ive never had a ricochet...very diff story with slow bullets or a 22lr...!!

And if gut shooting them at 100yds/m, leave the 22 at home.
Like i said before a bunnies head is a pretty big target up to 100m & is surprisingly hard with all the bone & thats what you want to meke a bullet expand, if you can shoot .6" groups with the 50g nos bt just stick with that.

And as for 3.5" groups/out to 5" groups with that projectile--save the powder & dont shoot another...again i dont want to be rude but god knows what posseses you to want to shoot any live animals let alone rabbits with that kind of accuracy.
Im a firm believer in only shooting what you can hit on paper & in the field your "group size" is always larger due to other factors.

If your confidence is low behind the trigger after having shot with those bullets, your heart rate & anxiety levels will rise (whether you're aware of it or not) & cause your senses to be enhanced on everything EXCEPT execute a good shot--you'll hesitate on the trigger & thus yank at it turning the shot into "a gamble"...& this not a good idea when shooting into buildings &/or without a safe backstop with cyclists less than a km away...sorry but thats plain :crazy: !!!

Assuming your claimed group size with the 50g bt's is correct, id go back to the 50 nos bt & head shoot them--squeeze off & follow through with confidence & you'll be surprised--if driven at the right velocity & head shot rabbits there will be nothing left of that projectile to penetrate any buildings or pinch cyclists on the butt...!

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Post by Oldbloke » 28 Mar 2018, 11:55 am

Gaznazdiak wrote:Thanks to everybody who took the time to give their advice.
I'll get some Trailboss and try pushing them a little quicker.
I might also give the Grenades a try as they seem to be the most frangible available.
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You have confused me. Your current load is I think 25.5 he of ar2206H. ADI manual indicates it would be doing about 3500fps.
You don't need trail boss to reduce this load. Read my post earlier. One is a letter from ADI the other is out of their manual.

You should be able to safely reduce that to about 18 or 19grains
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Re: Loading Below Minimum

Post by bladeracer » 28 Mar 2018, 1:56 pm

Gaznazdiak wrote:Thanks to everybody who took the time to give their advice.
I'll get some Trailboss and try pushing them a little quicker.
I might also give the Grenades a try as they seem to be the most frangible available.
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As I said earlier, if you want to push them fast then Trailboss won't work, it has a real limit in velocity because it burns so fast.
It also only comes in 1.5kg bottle which is expensive just to try it out.
Best bet would be to find somebody locally that uses it that can give you some - a little goes a long way. I loaded 200rds of .38 Special with just 900gn of TB, the full 1.5kg bottle is enough to make well over 3000 of these rounds.
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Re: Loading Below Minimum

Post by brett1868 » 28 Mar 2018, 1:59 pm

Why not a 17HMR, 17Hornet or a 22Mag for this particular task? Good reason to purchase another rifle :)
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Re: Loading Below Minimum

Post by Strikey » 28 Mar 2018, 2:30 pm

in2anity wrote:
Strikey wrote:[
I was talking headshots but if you insist a chest shot on a rabbit at that distance with a 22 and they don't go far, if you are such an experienced silhouette shooter you will know that your rifle needs to shoot MOA or less at that distance and a rabbits head is a big target compared to Rams when shooting offhand :thumbsup: ]

Completely and utterly incorrect. The RMS targets are one-fifth the size of the Centrefire; the 100m RAM is approximately 6" wide by 5" tall. That's about the size of a school calculator. Now I don't know what bunnies you're shooting, but the ones I'm shooting have heads a lot smaller than a calculator. And that's exactly my point - even a mechanically moa 22lr will struggle to consistently hold a 1" group at 100m (under varying, real-world hunting conditions), which means it's a lucky-dip attempting headshot at such a distance. With 100% accuracy you'd probably miss 50% of your shots. So you go for body shots right? Ok sure you can hit em at that distance, but half the time they do a backflip and run away. I've learnt the hard way not to even attempt such long shots with the 22lr because it's outright cruel. This is where calibres like the 17hmr (or the 223 getting back to OP) really shine. And no, you don't need to offhand 1moa to hit the silhouettes; more like 4-5moa buddy. A 2moa rifle is plenty good enough to compete in a comp.

And since you brought my silhouette shooting experience into question mate (dunno where that came from BTW, I never claimed to be "mr experienced", I was merely referring to it as an example of how the 22lr dies in the arse past 60m); here's the facts - I'm a AA graded RMS shooter who competes in at least one RMS comp the last Sunday of every month. I have not missed a single session in the last 2 years. I practice silhouette as much as possible in addition to that. I'm not the best competitor, but I'm also definitely not the worst.

They're the facts mate - so don't go slinging unsubstantiated BS without expecting a harsh response. Sorry. :welcome:


A pissing contest hey? I'm up for that, AA Grade C/F, AAA Grade Air Rifle to both Hunter and Heavy Rimfire, have competed at World Championship level, National and State Titles with success, I don't bulls**t about anything I have achieved so if you are an offended snowflake I don't particularly care :violin:

Again back to the original post, the twist rate is too fast for the short 35grn projectile, it is being spun too fast and cannot stabilise over its length, velocity changes are not going to fix this :thumbsup:
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Re: Loading Below Minimum

Post by brett1868 » 28 Mar 2018, 2:53 pm

it is being spun too fast and cannot stabilise over its length, velocity changes are not going to fix this


Apologies if a little out of context but lower velocities will reduce the projectiles RPM hence why backing off the load on my 22-250 a touch stopped the dreaded grey mist 6' out from the muzzle :)

Strikey, in2anity...time out guys, we're all mates in here and when it comes to pissing comps Oldbloke beats everyone due to the massive size of his manhood :lol:

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Re: Loading Below Minimum

Post by in2anity » 28 Mar 2018, 2:57 pm

Strikey wrote:A pissing contest hey? I'm up for that, AA Grade C/F, AAA Grade Air Rifle to both Hunter and Heavy Rimfire, have competed at World Championship level, National and State Titles with success, I don't bulls**t about anything I have achieved so if you are an offended snowflake I don't particularly care

You might be the world champion MS shooter buddy, that’s irrelevant. what IS relevant is that I strongly disagree with your original claim that 22lr is a reliable 120yd rifle (dropping bunnies). That’s my only point here. You just gotta shoot a few (you probably shouldn’t have) to figure that out...

EDIT: Brett is right, I’m getting all hot and bothered over something trivial, I didn’t intend on getting so personal Strikey. Sorry.
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Re: Loading Below Minimum

Post by brett1868 » 28 Mar 2018, 3:15 pm

Berger has a stability calculator on their site and I punch in what info was available and made an assumption on the BC based on the NTX version of the same weight bullet. The general rule is the heavier the bullet the faster you need to spin it rather then the opposite although there are optimal twist rates for each projectile but generally the manufacture's chosen rate works across a broad spectrum of types and weights.

http://www.bergerbullets.com/twist-rate-calculator/

Jump in if I've messed up the math as I'm keen to see if this problem can be sorted as I have the same rifle and a pile of 35gr projectiles I'd like to try out myself. That was the plan a while back, then I thought bugger it and bought a .17 Hornet :)

Even at 1000fps it's still listed as stable....
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Re: Loading Below Minimum

Post by Gaznazdiak » 28 Mar 2018, 4:45 pm

bladeracer wrote:
Gaznazdiak wrote:Thanks to everybody who took the time to give their advice.
I'll get some Trailboss and try pushing them a little quicker.
I might also give the Grenades a try as they seem to be the most frangible available.
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As I said earlier, if you want to push them fast then Trailboss won't work, it has a real limit in velocity because it burns so fast.
It also only comes in 1.5kg bottle which is expensive just to try it out.
Best bet would be to find somebody locally that uses it that can give you some - a little goes a long way. I loaded 200rds of .38 Special with just 900gn of TB, the full 1.5kg bottle is enough to make well over 3000 of these rounds.


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Post by bladeracer » 28 Mar 2018, 5:14 pm

Strikey wrote:Again back to the original post, the twist rate is too fast for the short 35grn projectile, it is being spun too fast and cannot stabilise over its length, velocity changes are not going to fix this :thumbsup:


Hey Gaz, I'll order some of these VMax bullets and load them on the same charge your using. See if they behave any better in my 8"-twist Ruger. Will be a few weeks though.
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Post by Strikey » 28 Mar 2018, 6:40 pm

brett1868 wrote:
it is being spun too fast and cannot stabilise over its length, velocity changes are not going to fix this


Apologies if a little out of context but lower velocities will reduce the projectiles RPM hence why backing off the load on my 22-250 a touch stopped the dreaded grey mist 6' out from the muzzle :)

Strikey, in2anity...time out guys, we're all mates in here and when it comes to pissing comps Oldbloke beats everyone due to the massive size of his manhood :lol:

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The 22/250 and its Ackley version can push projectiles to their limits, thin jacketed varmint projectiles are renowned for the grey mist out of these 2, hence why projectile selection, velocity and twist rate are a must. That short little 35grainer the OP is using is better suited to a 1 in 14 twist, can't recall the exact terminology but it has to do with the projectile rotating on its axis instead of around its axis, I don't believe a reduction in velocity will help but stranger things have happened :crazy:

in2anity, I think you completely misunderstood my 1st post, I gathered that you obviously had silhouette experience and I did mention I would not recommend headshooting rabbits at those distances with a 22lr for less experienced shooters, did you read that far before attacking me, nnooo, you jumped on your keyboard and let rip, then proceed to tell everyone of your RMS abilities so I put up my RMS experiences and grades that I have achieved over the last 25 odd years ( I will guess possibly since before you left ya dads ballbag ) and your reply is to basically ridicule me, I'm betting with your attitude some of the better shooters at your club don't offer advice to you??????
Anyways this will be my last post, fed up with offering advice and literally being shot down by millennial wannabes with their heads up their arse, some of you on here need to have a good hard look at yourselves and learn to accept that your opinion is not the only one, a lot of good people have left this forum :drinks: :drinks: :drinks:
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Post by Stix » 28 Mar 2018, 8:08 pm

Hey Strikey...sorry to say but leaving is silly mate...

No point doing that just because you feel someone gets a little too precious & jumps the gun...( :? sorry in2 :friends: ).

Thats the trouble with text...it only portrays a small percentage of whats actually being said, so can easily be misunderstood by someone in the wrong mood.

Now go to your room & cool off young man...& i wont accept your foot stomping resignation until you've calmed down... :lol:

Seriously, im happy to read your opinion mate, as im sure others are...& there are plenty of overly precious people in this country & i say you're not joining them...!!!

I bet if we all met without knowing who was who, a good many folk would like the people they dislike on the forum, & visa versa...

& then there would be the typical predictable and :allegedly: well hung old kunts that are just...well...old... :lol: (sorry ob--just tryin to lighten the mood).

And whats more he's manned up & apologised mate...sheesh...good on ya in2...!
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Re: Loading Below Minimum

Post by in2anity » 28 Mar 2018, 8:45 pm

Strikey wrote:in2anity, I think you completely misunderstood my 1st post, I gathered that you obviously had silhouette experience and I did mention I would not recommend headshooting rabbits at those distances with a 22lr for less experienced shooters, did you read that far before attacking me, nnooo, you jumped on your keyboard and let rip, then proceed to tell everyone of your RMS abilities so I put up my RMS experiences and grades that I have achieved over the last 25 odd years ( I will guess possibly since before you left ya dads ballbag ) and your reply is to basically ridicule me, I'm betting with your attitude some of the better shooters at your club don't offer advice to you??????
Anyways this will be my last post, fed up with offering advice and literally being shot down by millennial wannabes with their heads up their arse, some of you on here need to have a good hard look at yourselves and learn to accept that your opinion is not the only one, a lot of good people have left this forum :drinks: :drinks: :drinks:


You got it all figured out don't you - you know everything there is to know about everyone on here. Sure maybe I was being inward focused; but so were you; at least I'm man enough to admit it. I made my peace offering; that's the best I can do mate. I just find it a little hypocritical that the dude saying "snowflake I don't particularly care" is now throwing in the towel because of a little heated discussion; it's a random internet forum buddy, not some mumz club. I say go have a beer and get over it; people clearly have some respect for you around hear; why throw it all away over a little disagreement?

And FWIW you couldn't be further from the truth when you make presumptions about me or my relationships with my shooting buddies. Sorry, but sooo many incorrect assumptions here mate, soo many. I honestly wish I was a whipper snapper millennial (without a care in the world).
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Re: Loading Below Minimum

Post by in2anity » 28 Mar 2018, 8:47 pm

Stix wrote:No point doing that just because you feel someone gets a little too precious & jumps the gun...( :? sorry in2 :friends: )

All good, it's true. I have a short temper, my bad. :drinks:
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Post by Stix » 28 Mar 2018, 8:51 pm

Good on ya mate... :thumbsup:
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Post by Oldbloke » 28 Mar 2018, 9:36 pm

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Oldbloke beats everyone due to the massive size of his manhood :lol:

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I'm currently feeling harassed :cry: so I made a complaint to. 131050.

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Their coming to take you away ha, ha. :thumbsup:
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Post by Oldbloke » 28 Mar 2018, 9:38 pm

Sheeesh, reduce the ar2206H by say 5 grains.
Then the bullet will be doing hornet type speed and try that.
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