Burris FF-E1 6.5-20x50 or similar

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Re: Burris FF-E1 6.5-20x50 or similar

Post by SCJ429 » 13 Aug 2019, 8:34 am

Good point there Stix, European glass is excellent in low or artificial light. The Swarovski lines can be a bit expensive but Ziess has a budget line.
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Re: Burris FF-E1 6.5-20x50 or similar

Post by duncan61 » 13 Aug 2019, 11:25 am

I would like to give a plus one for the Nikko Stirling Nighteater.I put a new one on my lightweight .222 Ruger S/S synthetic when I took up Kangaroo culling in 96 and it was 3 x 10 by 40mm and it did the job well.I paid $96 for it and I am sure they are only $127 new now
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Re: Burris FF-E1 6.5-20x50 or similar

Post by GQshayne » 13 Aug 2019, 8:12 pm

I wonder if perhaps you think you need more magnification, when in fact what you actually need is better quality.

An example - I am at the range doing some sighting in a while ago. I have an old 2-8 power Japanese Tasco World Class. A good scope in its day. Trying to spot .22 holes in the target, I was struggling, so I grabbed the 10 power binos. Hmmm no good either. I also had my .243 there, so I grabbed it to look through the scope, and I could see them quite easily. The scope is a 6 power Swarovski.

An illuminated reticle is worth you looking at too.
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Re: Burris FF-E1 6.5-20x50 or similar

Post by SCJ429 » 13 Aug 2019, 8:26 pm

GQshayne wrote:I wonder if perhaps you think you need more magnification, when in fact what you actually need is better quality.

An example - I am at the range doing some sighting in a while ago. I have an old 2-8 power Japanese Tasco World Class. A good scope in its day. Trying to spot .22 holes in the target, I was struggling, so I grabbed the 10 power binos. Hmmm no good either. I also had my .243 there, so I grabbed it to look through the scope, and I could see them quite easily. The scope is a 6 power Swarovski.

An illuminated reticle is worth you looking at too.


I had the opposite experience, I could not see .22 bullet holes at 500 with a 12x S&B but no can do. I grabbed my bench rifle and could see them easily, with the 55x Nightforce.
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Re: Burris FF-E1 6.5-20x50 or similar

Post by Roo farmer » 13 Aug 2019, 9:29 pm

Stix wrote:Your description is open ended...you put question marks after many things--for example with reference to the reticle --you ssid this...

"As for wanting a simple reticle, maybe this is not such a big deal? Maybe a tree type one is not so bad? I've never looked through one, but it seems like a whole heap of clutter that I don't want?"

Three question marks that no one can answer for you...
I believe you need to not only look through one, but spend some time shooting with one to know if you like that type of reticle.

I like them, others dont...some dont like the "clutter"--personally i dont even see the "clutter" unless im looking for it for bullet drop...so the only time ive found a fox hiding behind my reticle is when ive put it there--if you dont know you like them--we dont know either.

Im not trying to be difficult, just saying--no one here knows if you like a drop hash mark reticle if you dont.

As for magnification...i cant speak for others, but i find much beyond 16 mag on a scope with 40mm objective, & 18x on a 50mm objective, & you loose way too much light for shooting in a stubble field from within a car (meaning not elevated)...from back of a ute on moonlit night is different..

Im not sure of your expectations...best i can tell you need a Swarovski Z6i...

Also with regard to reticle'--i believe it to be extremely beneficial to shoot with a medium to heavy reticle for spotlighting--it makes it easier to see/more contrast...

i have no doubt that you will struggle to see, let alone to shoot many roos at 250m with a halogen powered blitz 240 looking through a cheap scope (<$1500-2000) wound up to 24X with a fine reticle on a dark night...not impossible, but difficult...!
I do a fair bit of spotlighting & this is just my opinion...

I also have the Trophy extreme 6-24x50 with the varmint reticle (xmas tree) & the reticle is thick--good for spotlighting big targets like foxes & roos heads- :thumbsup: -its not much chop on bunny's heads at 300 during the day though.
But--this reticle isnt illuminated--something else that i brlieve will be beneficial for you.

As for hold zero & consistant click value...i believe anything below $2000-$1500 ish is a gamble--buy something eith lifetime w'tee.

If you find it difficult to judge distance--so do most people (not that they will all admit it).
If you're shooting distances beyond the max point blank for your load, buy a rangefinder with an illuminated reticle--it will help you immensly...but there are always times where perspective will fool you at night using a spotlighy & this will continue throughout your life...!!

Recommendations for your specic use...(that i have actually looked through)...
Bushnell trophy 3-15x50 illuminated...
Bushnell trophy 6-24x50
Swarovski z6i (heavier reticlemodel) :thumbsup:
Swarvski z5i (heavier reticle model):thumbsup:
Leopold 6.5-20x50 (not sure if the do a heavier reticle other than fine...? :unknown: )

I also have a zeiss 5-25 hd5 eith varmint reticle--excellent weight reticle for spotlighting but not illuminated...

Gotta go to bed...


Thankyou for your opinions, much appreciated. Yes, I put question marks after many things. Just because I don't really know, and maybe someone has been in a similar situation, bought a particular scope that they didn't know if they were going to like, but then decided that they do like it. I guess if it's just personal opinion then there are no real answers.
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Re: Burris FF-E1 6.5-20x50 or similar

Post by Roo farmer » 13 Aug 2019, 9:32 pm

GQshayne wrote:I wonder if perhaps you think you need more magnification, when in fact what you actually need is better quality.

An example - I am at the range doing some sighting in a while ago. I have an old 2-8 power Japanese Tasco World Class. A good scope in its day. Trying to spot .22 holes in the target, I was struggling, so I grabbed the 10 power binos. Hmmm no good either. I also had my .243 there, so I grabbed it to look through the scope, and I could see them quite easily. The scope is a 6 power Swarovski.

An illuminated reticle is worth you looking at too.


Thanks for the suggestion, yes maybe that is a possibility. Pretty hard to know. I believe an illuminated reticle runs on a small button battery. How long do they last?
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Re: Burris FF-E1 6.5-20x50 or similar

Post by sungazer » 13 Aug 2019, 10:53 pm

Roo farmer wrote:
GQshayne wrote:I wonder if perhaps you think you need more magnification, when in fact what you actually need is better quality.

An example - I am at the range doing some sighting in a while ago. I have an old 2-8 power Japanese Tasco World Class. A good scope in its day. Trying to spot .22 holes in the target, I was struggling, so I grabbed the 10 power binos. Hmmm no good either. I also had my .243 there, so I grabbed it to look through the scope, and I could see them quite easily. The scope is a 6 power Swarovski.

An illuminated reticle is worth you looking at too.


Thanks for the suggestion, yes maybe that is a possibility. Pretty hard to know. I believe an illuminated reticle runs on a small button battery. How long do they last?


Less than a week if you leave them on. :?
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Re: Burris FF-E1 6.5-20x50 or similar

Post by GQshayne » 14 Aug 2019, 7:31 pm

I do not know how long they last to be honest. Perhaps some googling will tell you that. It will vary between brands too I guess.

As for leaving them on by mistake, that will also depend on what brand you get. I know that Swarovski will only operate when in a horizontal and upright position, so if you point the rifle up or lay it on its side, the illuminated reticle turns off, and will switch on again when in a shooting position.
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Re: Burris FF-E1 6.5-20x50 or similar

Post by GQshayne » 14 Aug 2019, 7:35 pm

SCJ429 wrote:
GQshayne wrote:I wonder if perhaps you think you need more magnification, when in fact what you actually need is better quality.

An example - I am at the range doing some sighting in a while ago. I have an old 2-8 power Japanese Tasco World Class. A good scope in its day. Trying to spot .22 holes in the target, I was struggling, so I grabbed the 10 power binos. Hmmm no good either. I also had my .243 there, so I grabbed it to look through the scope, and I could see them quite easily. The scope is a 6 power Swarovski.

An illuminated reticle is worth you looking at too.


I had the opposite experience, I could not see .22 bullet holes at 500 with a 12x S&B but no can do. I grabbed my bench rifle and could see them easily, with the 55x Nightforce.


Both quality optics though, so I would have thought that should be the case. I know S&B is premium stuff but the Nightforce would be close wouldn't it? In my case, it just illustrated that the quality of the optic was more important than magnification.
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Re: Burris FF-E1 6.5-20x50 or similar

Post by GQshayne » 14 Aug 2019, 7:41 pm

Roo farmer, I reckon you need to try and do what Tassie Tiger did recently, and try and get a couple of scopes to look through. If you can put a Burris, Meopta Meopro, and a Swarovski etc side by side, then you can see what you get for your money.

In my case, I am a recent convert to quality optics. I am 48 now, so eyesight not as good as when I was younger, so I can appreciate the better optics. Not everyone can afford the big dollar stuff, so that is important. But some careful selection can get you a quality optic. I have recently purchased Meopta stuff and reckon it is excellent value. Not used a Meopro, but the Meostar is a contender with the Swarovski Z6, and is a heck of a lot cheaper.
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Re: Burris FF-E1 6.5-20x50 or similar

Post by SCJ429 » 14 Aug 2019, 8:31 pm

GQshayne wrote:
SCJ429 wrote:
GQshayne wrote:I wonder if perhaps you think you need more magnification, when in fact what you actually need is better quality.

An example - I am at the range doing some sighting in a while ago. I have an old 2-8 power Japanese Tasco World Class. A good scope in its day. Trying to spot .22 holes in the target, I was struggling, so I grabbed the 10 power binos. Hmmm no good either. I also had my .243 there, so I grabbed it to look through the scope, and I could see them quite easily. The scope is a 6 power Swarovski.

An illuminated reticle is worth you looking at too.


I had the opposite experience, I could not see .22 bullet holes at 500 with a 12x S&B but no can do. I grabbed my bench rifle and could see them easily, with the 55x Nightforce.


Both quality optics though, so I would have thought that should be the case. I know S&B is premium stuff but the Nightforce would be close wouldn't it? In my case, it just illustrated that the quality of the optic was more important than magnification.

Yes, sorry mate I was being a bit smart. I am not sure what type of Swarovski that he can get for $700. I did look through a variable 24x Vortex which wasn't bad for around that money but the turrets might be bigger than you want.
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Re: Burris FF-E1 6.5-20x50 or similar

Post by Stix » 15 Aug 2019, 10:59 am

sungazer wrote:
Roo farmer wrote:
GQshayne wrote:I wonder if perhaps you think you need more magnification, when in fact what you actually need is better quality.

An example - I am at the range doing some sighting in a while ago. I have an old 2-8 power Japanese Tasco World Class. A good scope in its day. Trying to spot .22 holes in the target, I was struggling, so I grabbed the 10 power binos. Hmmm no good either. I also had my .243 there, so I grabbed it to look through the scope, and I could see them quite easily. The scope is a 6 power Swarovski.

An illuminated reticle is worth you looking at too.


Thanks for the suggestion, yes maybe that is a possibility. Pretty hard to know. I believe an illuminated reticle runs on a small button battery. How long do they last?


Less than a week if you leave them on. :?

Strangley enough...ive left the reticle turned on a couple of times when its in the safe on the bushnel trophy extreme 2.5.-15x50 & it hasnt gone flat...
Maybe it has a cut out on it...im not sure... :unknown:
I only ever have it on the lowest setting though.
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Re: Burris FF-E1 6.5-20x50 or similar

Post by GQshayne » 15 Aug 2019, 7:44 pm

SCJ429 wrote:Yes, sorry mate I was being a bit smart. I am not sure what type of Swarovski that he can get for $700. I did look through a variable 24x Vortex which wasn't bad for around that money but the turrets might be bigger than you want.


Ah, I didn't have my sarcasm detector activated!! LOL :lol:

Agreed that such optics are out of the stated budget. I am suggesting that perhaps some comparative testing may give cause to review the budget. Of course there will be a middle ground too, rather than looking at Z6's. Hence my suggestion of Meopta, and Leupold have a great selection too. In low light conditions the better optics really show their quality.
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Re: Burris FF-E1 6.5-20x50 or similar

Post by Stix » 15 Aug 2019, 8:54 pm

If your interested in looking through some scopes, what area you in RooFarmer...?
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