Thermal vs Night Vision

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Thermal vs Night Vision

Post by JimTom » 29 Nov 2019, 7:33 am

G’day Gents

For those who have gone down this path and are using either night vision or thermal scopes, I would greatly value your opinion on either of these two systems.
Interested in why you chose one over the other and why you think it’s a better option.
I have quite a bit of experience using night vision equipment (goggles not optic sights) occupationally so I have some understanding of the limitations there. In saying that, it was conventional (intensifer tubes, etc) high end night vision and not the digital Night vision available to us.
I have started reading and watching reviews, however would appreciate some input from you blokes.
Thanks in advance gents.
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Re: Thermal vs Night Vision

Post by Blr243 » 29 Nov 2019, 6:43 pm

And the answer is .........FEAR. Fear of spending our hard earned money is the reason most of us ( me included ) buy a night vision scope as our first piece of night hunting equipment. I understand this ....a while back .if I were to ask about a high end thermal scope and a dealer said it was seven grand. I would be thinking stuff that no way. You got to be joking. But after learning the lesson the hard way (2200 bucks on a pulsar n v scope that I don’t use) I’m now fully aware that I have made the right decision with the purchase of a thermal scope that’s about 3 times the price ..... it’s not three times better than the n v scope. It’s ten times better. This year I have shot 110 pigs with my thermal and I have shot nothing with my n v. Scope. I might add that my n v scope is fitted with a very powerful after market illuminator......with my thermal scope I have stalked and shot pigs that I originally detected 1.5 k away. I don’t see that’s possible at all with n v. Save some dollars , get the best , and then prepare to be consumed by the night
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Re: Thermal vs Night Vision

Post by Blr243 » 29 Nov 2019, 6:50 pm

The last pig I shot
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Re: Thermal vs Night Vision

Post by Blr243 » 29 Nov 2019, 6:54 pm

Mob
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Re: Thermal vs Night Vision

Post by JimTom » 29 Nov 2019, 7:02 pm

Mate thank you. Was waiting for you to weigh in on this one. I was leaning towards the NV scope as opposed to thermal, based purely on cost, as you have eluded to mate.
After hearing your first hand experience, I am prob leaning more towards the thermal.
Mate can you recommend or at least suggest a thermal that you think worthy of consideration please mate.
Loved the pic of the mob. If that’s what the money gets you then I think I will save a few bucks and go thermal.
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Re: Thermal vs Night Vision

Post by Ferrisweil » 29 Nov 2019, 11:15 pm

For what I do, Thermal is hands down the winner. Yup, it’s more expensive, but we take a lot of shots at pigs on the run. Thermal is way better for this.
I run a thermal monocle to scan with and then swap to a thermal scope.
The thermal monocle allows us to see what we’re after WELL before they see us and there’s no need to put a light over them, therefore less spooked. Pick your wind and stalk in.
It’s been a huge game changer for us and our numbers have skyrocketed. The property owners where we go are astounded at the numbers we are clearing.
Go to YouTube and look up Pulsar Trail XP50 and Thermion Hog hunting. Pretty much exactly what we do without the semi autos...
Happy to answer any questions you’ve got.
I’ve got some cool vids we’ve recorded but don’t know how to post videos on here...
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Post by Ferrisweil » 30 Nov 2019, 1:56 am

I meant to say, I got to have a play with a night-tech ms42 the other night. They have only just gone on sale and initial impressions are really good!
The resolution isn’t as good as the Pulsar Trail/Helion/Thermion XP series (nighttech runs at 384x288 as opposed to XP which is 640x480) however for the price, the night-tech is an awesome bit of kit. Has a variety of palettes, recording, zoom and different reticles to choose from. Main difference I could see might be the battery life. I get 8hrs for the small battery on the Trail and 16hrs from the larger one.
Def worth a look if considering going thermal. I’ve only ever used Pulsar, so it was good to see another brand out there. If money’s not a prob, also check out the ATN Mars Thor. Can’t comment on it as i haven’t used it.
Once you use thermal mate, nothing else will get a look in...
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Re: Thermal vs Night Vision

Post by JimTom » 30 Nov 2019, 7:04 am

Mate what do you reckon about the Pulsar Thermion XP and XM series?
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Re: Thermal vs Night Vision

Post by JimTom » 30 Nov 2019, 8:03 am

Also have watched reviews comparing the Pulsar XM38 and the ATN Thor 4. Be very interested to hear your opinion mate.
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Re: Thermal vs Night Vision

Post by Blr243 » 01 Dec 2019, 6:38 pm

I have the pulsar xp 50 and the pulsar accolade binos. Very happy with the combination. Roughly 7 k each. I hate to recommend something just because I own it. Only somebody who goes out and spend s 28 thousand on four different brands of scopes can tell you which is best but good luck finding that fellow. I think while you save up for a thermal you have a fair bit of time to do a ton of research. And that research is well worth it when spending so much money. In the next couple of weeks I’ll try to get a night vision pic of my dog at roughly 150 metres with my pulsar nv scope. And I will also get a pic of him at 500 m with my pulsar thermal. Both at same time in the same dark conditions .... then I will post the pics so u can see the contrast difference I need some open country to do this so it looks like I will have to go dingo hunting one Saturday night .......we all know about those times late arv when you see pigs 300 m away when light is fading fast and you have an old fashioned scope. and you do your best to close the gap but u don’t make it in time and it’s too dark to shoot. But it’s frustrating because u can still hear them moving around. With thermal it’s no problem you just cruise on over at your own pace and you shoot them. Then there’s no need to wander back to the hut feeling content with your results because it’s only 7 pm and the night has just begun. remember that if you get a great quality thermal scope it’s easy to forget the pain of the purchase when you see your first mob of pigs in complete darkness ....you will be grinning from ear to ear , your eyes will be popping out of your head .....and you will instantly become aware of your new night addiction for which there is no cure
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Re: Thermal vs Night Vision

Post by Peter988 » 01 Dec 2019, 9:06 pm

I was recently doing some mitigation work with a mate who shots thermal. He also has IR but it stays in the box. Chalk and cheese. The thermal is superb. He uses a thermal monocular wifi’d to a iPad mounted on the dash. Finds the animals with that then goes to the scope. Mega expensive scope. He locates things out to 600M. Doesn’t shoot that distance of course but just poking round in the dark it’s relatively easy to get within distance. The numbers he is taking is ridiculous.
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Post by Ferrisweil » 01 Dec 2019, 10:08 pm

If you’re on FB, check out “Thermal Hunting Australia”. Lot of good blokes on there and full of great advice. We even had a night in Brisbane a while back where a few blokes demo’ed their gear for those who are in your boat (looking to buy)
The XP series of Pulsar is superb and the clarity is ridiculous, but with thermal, it really is a matter of, “you get what you pay for”.
As mentioned above, I use Pulsar Helion and Trail but have a look at the new Night-tec stuff. Its only just come out in Oz but it seems an awesome bit of kit for the price.
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Post by JimTom » 02 Dec 2019, 7:01 am

Thank you gents for your input. Sincerely appreciated. Good to hear others thoughts on NV v’s Thermal and your experiences with different brands of kit. Definitely food for thought. After reading your comments I am pretty much sold on the idea of thermal, notwithstanding the money, nevertheless, you generally get what you pay for.
Will check out the Night Tech stuff, thanks for the heads up Ferris.
At present I am liking the look of the ATN Thor 4 or the new Pulsar XM38. Both circa $4,500.
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Re: Thermal vs Night Vision

Post by Kel » 03 Dec 2019, 1:13 pm

I'm another satisfied customer with a Pulsar trail XP-50 LRF. I chose that particular model for it's higher resolution over the XP38. That extra resolution helps with identifying what you're looking at sooner than what a lower res sensor can provide.
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Post by Blr243 » 03 Dec 2019, 4:39 pm

When there’s tons of pigs about I hate that my thermal scope finds them as far away as 1500 m because if I’m tired it means I have to walk all that way to get them. But if they are scarce I need that long range finding ability
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Post by Ferrisweil » 03 Dec 2019, 7:35 pm

I use Trail and Helion. No way you can positively ID pigs (or any animal) at 1500m. You can see something is there, but you can’t ID them.
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Post by Blr243 » 03 Dec 2019, 8:15 pm

At 1500 I can see white dots. Once I saw a white dot at 1200 and I could tell that it might be a pig so I walked for a closer look. At approx 900 I was more sure that it was a pig. So I continued on and I shot the pig. There is no cattle where I shoot. Tall skinny things I know are Roos , horizontal rectangular blobs I know are pigs. There’s no way I’m seeing snouts testicular and tails at these ranges I adjust my settings and focus and sometimes it takes a hell of a lot of looking to make a successful ID. I watch for behaviour and movements. That’s what helps me work out if it’s worth the walk or not. When I shot the 1200 m pig I knew it was one of the longest I had walked from my quad. I have a gps tracker on my quad. So after I photographed the boar I used my tracker just to see how far away I was successful in locating a pig .....my Roos tend not to congregate....they just Sit and feed spread out not real close to each other Eg a dozen Roos spread out over a fifty metre area. But the mobs of pigs are always on the move faster , strung out in a line , then the straggler gets nervous and runs fast to get back with the mob because he’s nervous about being left behind ( safety in numbers. ) then as the straggler runs to get back into the main mob as he runs past the first few at the rear of the pack he makes them nervous too so all the stragglers run and bunch up again , Then they relax and feed again, and eventually they get strung out in a big line again and it starts again with the last straggler gettting nervous. At night I see it time and time again ....when they bunch up in one mob my signal gets stronger and the mob glows brighter in my scope than when they are strung out. ...heaps of time I see Roos and it confuses me when they are too far away Esp a big solo roo all by himself. It makes me think I’m onto a good solo boar. ...I wish there were no Roos. I have also noticed a lot of fresh thick mud on a boar looks different as well ....once I saw a boar mounting a sow in my thermal so I wanted that shot but it just did not work out ..... by the time I was ready he was done
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Re: Thermal vs Night Vision

Post by Blr243 » 03 Dec 2019, 8:25 pm

The Roos on my place know I don’t shoot them , I can ride my quad or walk thru a mob and they just don’t even give a damn ...but the pigs know better. So it’s “casual “behaviour from the Roos and “nervous ““behaviour from the pigs .......if I see nervous, erratic scared white dots with my thermal in the distance I know I’m on ..... these are open cultivation paddocks not scrub. So even at night in pitch darkness the pigs still feel vulnerable out there because they know it’s a long run for the safety of the bush
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