Does anyone here own a ZeroTech Vengeance 3-12×40mm scope?

[jwai86]

https://zerotech.com.au/p/3-12x40mm-ven ... iflescope/

This particular scope caught my attention while I was looking for a potential replacement for the Nikko Stirling Panamax 3-9x40mm AO scope currently on my .223 Howa Mini Action.

I inspected and looked through one in person at a local shop this afternoon, but could not find any detailed reviews about it online. Could there be a significant catch to its $249 RRP?

[SCJ429]

It is a cheap Chinese made scope, it will probably work OK for many years. Not something to show off to your mates but will probably get the job done.

[Jorlcrin]

I bought a ZeroTech 'Thrive' scope 3-12x44 last year, to put onto my .223 Tikka CTR.
Cost somewhere around $475.
Dont really care where it's made, as long as it delivers.
Mostly shooting either off-hand or from the vehicle as a rest.

I probably rattle through 50 rounds a month on average with it, so not huge usage, but reasonable.
Works as advertised; clear optics, compact, and suits the rifle well.
Had a couple of instances where I thought the zero had wandered, but more likely it was user-error.
The scope-adjust dials are a nice size to easily change; even wearing gloves.

For what I need, it's been perfect, and I'd buy another if I needed a similar scope.

Not the same as yours; Obviously, but I've been happy with mine.

[Scott123]

A year later and still $250 for a 4-12 scope...

Do I spend $6-700 for the cheapest Leupold or $250 for this scope..?....both apparently with lifetime warranty..

Did you end up buying one jwai86..?

Anyone else used one..?and whats the difference between this model and the more expensive zerotchs..?

[Oldbloke]

Recently purchased a Freedom 3-9×40 with hunt plex reticle $510 + postage.
The CDS version was abt $60 cheaper.

[Scott123]

Hi Oldbloke..
So i see you would rather pay twice as much for a leupold which is what I'm leaning towards as well....
Any thoughts you have on how the 4-12 freedom rates against my 20 year old vx1 4-12 leupold..?
I can see a 4-12 freedom Leopold for 520 online as well..
Do you know which reticle has the finest line in the centre of the crosshair..?
Most of my shooting will be at targets at the range..

[Oldbloke]

Hi Oldbloke..
So i see you would rather pay twice as much for a leupold which is what I'm leaning towards as well....
Any thoughts you have on how the 4-12 freedom rates against my 20 year old vx1 4-12 leupold..?
I can see a 4-12 freedom Leopold for 520 online as well.. ( that's cheap)
Do you know which reticle has the finest line in the centre of the crosshair..?
Most of my shooting will be at targets at the range..

Have 2 new ones and one 14 years old. All purchased over last 14 months or so.

Can't compare right now. But IIRC they all look same optics/clarity wise.

Cross hairs best you try and see one. In my opinion tad fine for hunting, my use, but it's horses for courses. But on the leupold site there are images and measurements. Just got to search around.

I got sick of scopes letting me down after 4-5 years. So, bit the bullet.

IMHO its cheaper in the long run to pay for Leupold.

[Scott123]

BTW oldbloke where did you buy that scope..?

[Oldbloke]

Terrey hills gun shop

shooting.com.au

And Paul was excellent to deal with.

[Die Judicii]

It's glaringly simple.
You get what you pay for,, (sometimes even less, quality wise)
$510 for a ? new scope ?
I personally wouldn't waste my time or $$$ on such a thing.

Ques: Just to be clear,,,, is the particular scope being discussed a chinese Leupold knock off ?

If yes, that would explain the price. In which case I certainly wouldn't waste time nor $$$ on one.
If not, that would indicate to me that a formerly well respected brand name with quality gear has dropped the ball,,,,,,, and yet again I wouldn't
waste time nor $$$ on one.

The old adage still applies,, If it sounds too good to be true ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[Scott123]

Ques: Just to be clear,,,, is the particular scope being discussed a chinese Leupold knock off ?

If yes, that would explain the price. In which case I certainly wouldn't waste time nor $$$ on one.
If not, that would indicate to me that a formerly well respected brand name with quality gear has dropped the ball,,,,,,, and yet again I wouldn't
waste time nor $$$ on one.

The old adage still applies,, If it sounds too good to be true ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

so how do we tell if its a chinese knock off or a genuine USA made scope..?

.and what are the concerns..?...components breaking or failing..?...Zero changing as magnification changes orthrough recoil ..?..Light quality issues..?

Surely the lifetime warranty gives an indication its not going to be total cheap junk and there is some recourse if there are issues..

Basically will it be adequate for hunting and some basic range plinking or how much is neccessary to spend to get something decent but not being under any illusions that I'm not training for the olympics and putting them on rifles which are worth under $500 anyway.........?...

Its a bit of a dilemma actually ....spend a couple of grand each and get some highly regarded scopes or buy low end from a reputable brand to replace my 50 year old Tascos and nikko stirling scopes....

anjd thanks oldbloke thats the shop i was looking at..I did wonder about why they are so much cheaper then the other online suppliers though..I might give them a ring and ask....

[Oldbloke]

It's glaringly simple.
You get what you pay for,, (sometimes even less, quality wise)
$510 for a ? new scope ?
I personally wouldn't waste my time or $$$ on such a thing.

Ques: Just to be clear,,,, is the particular scope being discussed a chinese Leupold knock off ?

If yes, that would explain the price. In which case I certainly wouldn't waste time nor $$$ on one.
If not, that would indicate to me that a formerly well respected brand name with quality gear has dropped the ball,,,,,,, and yet again I wouldn't
waste time nor $$$ on one.

The old adage still applies,, If it sounds too good to be true ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

He is buying from a legitimate gun shop, not ebay.

https://www.leupold.com/support/resourc ... it-warning

And

https://www.leupold.com/faq/when-was-my ... nufactured

[Scott123]

The fella at shooting,com seems like a decent and helpful fella Oldbloke...

I paid for the last one they had of 3-12 x40 for $532 posted so I then ended up ringing him and he had no more in stock but had a 3-9 x 40 for $458 posted.....so i will see how they go...I also ordered a Meopta from Claytons before getting the second Leupold but then got an email saying it wasnt actually in stock after direct depositing ...called him to se if he had anything conparable rather then have to refund and he tried to sell me the same model Leupold for $925.....bad website, s**ty payment options and surly operator there I found..

So it seems for whatever reason these lower end of both Leupold and Meopta in the shops for the cheaper prices are nearly sold out and the next round of stock whenever they may get it will be priced higher......other operators mentioned that lower and mid range Meopta are on backorder and very hard to source now..

[Oldbloke]

The 3-9 x 40 for $458 may be a CDS model. They are abt $60 cheaper. I didn't like the idea of the turret not having a cap. They are popular tho.

And yes, my impression is that the new stuff arriving will be dearer.

[Scott123]

Yep ...you are correct Oldbloke....it was the only choice with stock now being so limited...thanks for all your advice..

and sorry Jwai86 for hijacking the thread but i was considering either your Zerotech scope, Meopta or the Leupold.......

[Die Judicii]

so how do we tell if its a chinese knock off or a genuine USA made scope..?

.and what are the concerns..?...components breaking or failing..?...Zero changing as magnification changes orthrough recoil ..?..Light quality issues..?

Surely the lifetime warranty gives an indication its not going to be total cheap junk and there is some recourse if there are issues..

Basically will it be adequate for hunting and some basic range plinking or how much is neccessary to spend to get something decent but not being under any illusions that I'm not training for the olympics and putting them on rifles which are worth under $500 anyway.........?...

Its a bit of a dilemma actually ....spend a couple of grand each and get some highly regarded scopes or buy low end from a reputable brand to replace my 50 year old Tascos and nikko stirling scopes....

anjd thanks oldbloke thats the shop i was looking at..I did wonder about why they are so much cheaper then the other online suppliers though..I might give them a ring and ask....

The unfortunate fact is some of the knockoffs are easily distinguishable,,,,, some are not.
A discerning buyer should make it a point of finding out these differences pre purchase to avoid being ripped off.
I have no idea of how to distinguish the differences when it comes to Leupold.
I only own one of these which is on my 375 H&H Magnum,,,,, and that was made well before there were such things as "knock offs"
The rest of my scopes are a higher end brand,,,,,, and I do know that there are now knock offs of these kicking around.
The way I sort the chaff with these is to email the manufacturer and verify the serial number.

Personally my concerns with the ultra low cost scopes would simply be,,, are they up to the task really ?
You do notice very quickly after looking through and using quality optics compared to basic.
And,,,, lets be honest,, to get that ultra low purchase price,,, corners are cut, general quality, materials and workmanship does suffer.

The really sad bit is,,,,,, the fifty year old Tasco's are leagues above the Tasco's of today. The T signifies Terrible.
And,,,, when you see package deals from dealers,, they invariably have a Tasco or a Bushnell sitting on top.
Because,,,,,,,,,,,,,, they are dirt cheap.
And I fear Leupold are now treading the same path.

But, don't get me wrong,,,,,,,,,,, your dilemma is simply making your own choice,,,,,, I'm not advocating you step right or left.
I'm just saying,, my personal opinion is that I wouldn't waste my money on cheap sh!t.

Companies are wizards at wording or implying such things as warranties.
Yep,,, Sounds great,,,, Jump in and purchase.
But at the end of the day when things turn to sh!t,,,,,,,,, that's when you find out all the hitherto unmentioned exclusions.
They've already got your hard earned $$$$,,,,, and you've got Jack sh!t.
With advertising,, it's not "what they say",,,,,,,,,, quite often it's what they DON"T say.

I find there's something shameful about being swayed by "armchair has been "expurts" into buying something because it's cheap.

I'm far from being rich enough $$$wise to buy top shelf and not even spend time thinking about it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
But I do know that rather than rushing in to "cheap Rse bargains" it's far better to hang back,,,, save pennies,,,, and get something that not only goes the distance,, but also supplies the goodies well into the future,, and gives you complete satisfaction.
This type of purchase also gives you (money in the bank) resale value in the future.

[Oldbloke]

so how do we tell if its a chinese knock off or a genuine USA made scope..?

.and what are the concerns..?...components breaking or failing..?...Zero changing as magnification changes orthrough recoil ..?..Light quality issues..?

Surely the lifetime warranty gives an indication its not going to be total cheap junk and there is some recourse if there are issues..

Basically will it be adequate for hunting and some basic range plinking or how much is neccessary to spend to get something decent but not being under any illusions that I'm not training for the olympics and putting them on rifles which are worth under $500 anyway.........?...

Its a bit of a dilemma actually ....spend a couple of grand each and get some highly regarded scopes or buy low end from a reputable brand to replace my 50 year old Tascos and nikko stirling scopes....

anjd thanks oldbloke thats the shop i was looking at..I did wonder about why they are so much cheaper then the other online suppliers though..I might give them a ring and ask....

The unfortunate fact is some of the knockoffs are easily distinguishable,,,,, some are not.
A discerning buyer should make it a point of finding out these differences pre purchase to avoid being ripped off.
I have no idea of how to distinguish the differences when it comes to Leupold.
I only own one of these which is on my 375 H&H Magnum,,,,, and that was made well before there were such things as "knock offs"
The rest of my scopes are a higher end brand,,,,,, and I do know that there are now knock offs of these kicking around.
The way I sort the chaff with these is to email the manufacturer and verify the serial number.

Personally my concerns with the ultra low cost scopes would simply be,,, are they up to the task really ?
You do notice very quickly after looking through and using quality optics compared to basic.
And,,,, lets be honest,, to get that ultra low purchase price,,, corners are cut, general quality, materials and workmanship does suffer.

The really sad bit is,,,,,, the fifty year old Tasco's are leagues above the Tasco's of today. The T signifies Terrible.
And,,,, when you see package deals from dealers,, they invariably have a Tasco or a Bushnell sitting on top.
Because,,,,,,,,,,,,,, they are dirt cheap.
And I fear Leupold are now treading the same path.

But, don't get me wrong,,,,,,,,,,, your dilemma is simply making your own choice,,,,,, I'm not advocating you step right or left.
I'm just saying,, my personal opinion is that I wouldn't waste my money on cheap sh!t.

Companies are wizards at wording or implying such things as warranties.
Yep,,, Sounds great,,,, Jump in and purchase.
But at the end of the day when things turn to sh!t,,,,,,,,, that's when you find out all the hitherto unmentioned exclusions.
They've already got your hard earned $$$$,,,,, and you've got Jack sh!t.
With advertising,, it's not "what they say",,,,,,,,,, quite often it's what they DON"T say.

I find there's something shameful about being swayed by "armchair has been "expurts" into buying something because it's cheap.

I'm far from being rich enough $$$wise to buy top shelf and not even spend time thinking about it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
But I do know that rather than rushing in to "cheap Rse bargains" it's far better to hang back,,,, save pennies,,,, and get something that not only goes the distance,, but also supplies the goodies well into the future,, and gives you complete satisfaction.
This type of purchase also gives you (money in the bank) resale value in the future.

Are you saying Terrey Hiils GS is selling Leupold knock offs?

[Die Judicii]

so how do we tell if its a chinese knock off or a genuine USA made scope..?

.and what are the concerns..?...components breaking or failing..?...Zero changing as magnification changes orthrough recoil ..?..Light quality issues..?

Surely the lifetime warranty gives an indication its not going to be total cheap junk and there is some recourse if there are issues..

Basically will it be adequate for hunting and some basic range plinking or how much is neccessary to spend to get something decent but not being under any illusions that I'm not training for the olympics and putting them on rifles which are worth under $500 anyway.........?...

Its a bit of a dilemma actually ....spend a couple of grand each and get some highly regarded scopes or buy low end from a reputable brand to replace my 50 year old Tascos and nikko stirling scopes....

anjd thanks oldbloke thats the shop i was looking at..I did wonder about why they are so much cheaper then the other online suppliers though..I might give them a ring and ask....

The unfortunate fact is some of the knockoffs are easily distinguishable,,,,, some are not.
A discerning buyer should make it a point of finding out these differences pre purchase to avoid being ripped off.
I have no idea of how to distinguish the differences when it comes to Leupold.
I only own one of these which is on my 375 H&H Magnum,,,,, and that was made well before there were such things as "knock offs"
The rest of my scopes are a higher end brand,,,,,, and I do know that there are now knock offs of these kicking around.
The way I sort the chaff with these is to email the manufacturer and verify the serial number.

Personally my concerns with the ultra low cost scopes would simply be,,, are they up to the task really ?
You do notice very quickly after looking through and using quality optics compared to basic.
And,,,, lets be honest,, to get that ultra low purchase price,,, corners are cut, general quality, materials and workmanship does suffer.

The really sad bit is,,,,,, the fifty year old Tasco's are leagues above the Tasco's of today. The T signifies Terrible.
And,,,, when you see package deals from dealers,, they invariably have a Tasco or a Bushnell sitting on top.
Because,,,,,,,,,,,,,, they are dirt cheap.
And I fear Leupold are now treading the same path.

But, don't get me wrong,,,,,,,,,,, your dilemma is simply making your own choice,,,,,, I'm not advocating you step right or left.
I'm just saying,, my personal opinion is that I wouldn't waste my money on cheap sh!t.

Companies are wizards at wording or implying such things as warranties.
Yep,,, Sounds great,,,, Jump in and purchase.
But at the end of the day when things turn to sh!t,,,,,,,,, that's when you find out all the hitherto unmentioned exclusions.
They've already got your hard earned $$$$,,,,, and you've got Jack sh!t.
With advertising,, it's not "what they say",,,,,,,,,, quite often it's what they DON"T say.

I find there's something shameful about being swayed by "armchair has been "expurts" into buying something because it's cheap.

I'm far from being rich enough $$$wise to buy top shelf and not even spend time thinking about it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
But I do know that rather than rushing in to "cheap Rse bargains" it's far better to hang back,,,, save pennies,,,, and get something that not only goes the distance,, but also supplies the goodies well into the future,, and gives you complete satisfaction.
This type of purchase also gives you (money in the bank) resale value in the future.

Are you saying Terrey Hiils GS is selling Leupold knock offs?

I have no idea DH,,,,, where did you read that ?

[Die Judicii]

Are you saying Terrey Hiils GS is selling Leupold knock offs?

I have no idea DH,,,,, where did you read that ?

It's now been nine days as of 19/09/2024,,,,,,,,,,,, I'm still waiting OB, (OW, DH,)

[Jorlcrin]

Yesterday, I met 2 mobs of pigs; one starting at 40 metres, and the second starting at around 100 metres.
['Starting' as in the point when they became aware of my ute, and started to react.

Had the Tikka CTR with me, running the ADI 69Gn BTHP ammo.
Scope is a Zero-Tech 'Thrive' 4-10x40(I think), with 30mm tube, and simple duplex.

Put the sow and 3 minipigs on the ground from the first encounter; last 2 minipigs were into the grass before I got a clear shot.
Second encounter, they were all on the move before I even got out of the ute.
But I nailed the large black sow, and then tagged a large spotted sow, and was able to put a killing shot into her when she stopped about 140 metres away.
I'm guessing my first shot was about 100 metres on the run, and the second about 120 metres, though she was running directly away from me.

On my drive home, I realise that I've met over 25 pigs in the past 10 days, and any misses have been my excitement at meeting some Hot Pork, rather than something I can attribute to the scope.
I've fired a few test shots at various targets over the past few days, and the scope keeps delivering the rounds to the same spot.
I'd LOVE for this scope to be one with holdover hash-marks, but in reality, it's done 12 hard months on this rifle; thumping around in a dusty Landcruiser with me, and still shoots to where I sighted it in.
It REALLY suits this rifle, and I'm really happy with it.
Do I regret buying a Zero-Tech? Not for a moment.
Do I think it's significantly less scope than one of my Nightforce, or Leupold scopes? Not for a moment.
Would I buy another Zero-Tech scope? If I can find one of their 30mm tube models that has a better reticle, I'd buy it in a heart-beat.
No doubt there are better scopes out there, but for what I needed, this scope has been an excellent buy.

Might be a different story if I was using it in a different role, but for what I needed, I'm really happy with it.

[Oldbloke]

9 days? WTF are you on about.

I asked a question, and you didn't answered it.

A simple yes or no.

Get a life.

[Die Judicii]

9 days? WTF are you on about.

I asked a question, and you didn't answered it.

A simple yes or no.

Get a life.

What a wonderful imagination you have,, it can change all manner of things to what you decree.

[Oldbloke]

9 days? WTF are you on about.

I asked a question, and you didn't answered it.

A simple yes or no.

Get a life.

What a wonderful imagination you have,, it can change all manner of things to what you decree.

Yes, you avoided my qn by asking a qn.

I chose to leaving at that.

But now, 9 days later you come back looking for an argument.

I can only now assume I hit a sore spot. And you are just looking silly.

Now i suggest you GET A LIFE.

[deye243]

Unbelievable

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[Die Judicii]

9 days? WTF are you on about.

I asked a question, and you didn't answered it.

A simple yes or no.

Get a life.

What a wonderful imagination you have,, it can change all manner of things to what you decree.

Yes, you avoided my qn by asking a qn.

I chose to leaving at that.

But now, 9 days later you come back looking for an argument.

I can only now assume I hit a sore spot. And you are just looking silly.

Now i suggest you GET A LIFE.

Far, Far from it.
You virtually accused me of saying that the Terrey Hills GS was selling Chinese Leupold knock offs.

I did reply,,, asking Where did you read that ?? To which of course you chose to ignore.

However, you force me to labour my point.
I suggest you check the Posts/Q&A's on the matter chronologically,,,,,,,, or do you need other members to do it for you.

At least I admit when I'm wrong.

[bigpete]

I had a look through a zerotech thrive 3-12×40 last night on my mates pcp air rifle as was actually really impressed with the clarity and eye relief and WAS considering buying one for my superlite till I read how heavy they are ( nearly twice the weight of a leupold of similar magnification ) and seeing as it is a very light rifle I've decided against that option for that rifle. But I'm still perhaps considering one to use my pard nv007 on....maybe