Over-scoping your "Big Game" rifle

[Fester]

Something was brought up on a forum about one of the coatings used in some of the later Leupold scopes, and someone responded it was the anti-glare feature.

It made the scope not much use for spotlighting.

That's about all I heard about the whole thing, and I know no real details.

Just something blokes may be unaware of, and could be disappointed with an otherwise fine scope.

[Wapiti]

Something was brought up on a forum about one of the coatings used in some of the later Leupold scopes, and someone responded it was the anti-glare feature.

It made the scope not much use for spotlighting.

That's about all I heard about the whole thing, and I know no real details.

Just something blokes may be unaware of, and could be disappointed with an otherwise fine scope.

That is not true mate.
I have a very nice VX6 scope here and that is absolute bullsh*t.
The anti-glare feature is great for late afternoons where you have to take a shot angling towards the sun. It doesn't completely stop it, I notice a difference in all glare conditions. It actually makes it easier to make out your target when the light is towards the scope.
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But spotlighting... you are looking at a lit image, and are after the best light transmission, and these coatings make this better.
I cannot believe who comes up with this absolute crap.
FMD, the night time images are beautiful.
Leupold are getting better and better, but there are plenty of people who want to drag this brand down, most likely because they would rather spend triple-inflated priced Chinese crap, then justify it by bagging out better gear.

Fester, since you are the one repeating this crap from some dribbler, make sure you know who that dick-fiddler is and don't believe any more dribble that goose says. Obviously punching a keyboard from mum's bedroom.

[bigrich]

myself , i've found leupolds to be fine under lights . hoppers don't like them at all

[Wapiti]

Welcome back Rich, I thought the aliens must've grabbed you for some experiments.

[bigrich]

Welcome back Rich, I thought the aliens must've grabbed you for some experiments.

nah , last time aliens tried kidnapping me, "hulk bogan" destroyed their spaceship

just had a break from this online stuff , bit of work around the yard , swapping scopes on my rifles , brass prep . oh yeah , bottle and a bit of red and cranking up my record player good for the soul you know , but my eyes don't like computer screens the next day

edit , i better stay on topic . i put a 1.5-5 vx3HD loopy on my 338-06, wider field of vision , even when set at "2" , than the old vx1 2-7 that was on it . and put a 3.5-10x40 back on my 223 T3 paddock cleaner . it's fine out a bit over 200 , works well with my headlights on high beam . i use a hand held to spot them, then swing my headlights onto them , open the door and shoot of the door frame . hardly professional i know , but their targets of opportunity late afternoon and early evening to help the property owner out. i'm not removing my weather Sheild for a shooting rest on the drivers door . i don't use air con much , drive with the window down unless travelling distance on dirt roads . a habit from growing up driving valiants and HQ holdens .
nothing sounds as sweet as a carby fed worked V8 , especially if you've removed the tailpipes and the exhaust ends at the back of the mufflers
sweet music with the windows down....

[Fester]

You can never know for sure, with someone else's findings, but the bloke was pretty much a normal younger shooter and seemed honest enough, going only on forum posts and stuff.

An older shooter who used Leupold seemed to agree that an issue was there, whether it was a particular model or their first attempt with the anti-glare coating.

Brand loyalty is for mugs IMHO. It just hides any bad points, as the fanboys won't talk.
The best thing about dedicated internet forums, for me, was blokes giving their honest opinions so we did learn of bad points, not like salesman are going to talk, or admit anything.
They now infiltrate the forums and they could end up like Facecrack, good luck getting any info there, just infotainment.
Then the brand, be it Holden, Ford, Stihl, makes dud models, but still sells well on the previous model's reputation.
A good company will quickly rectify the issues; lots of American companies go all out to keep customers happy.

Holden and Ford used to improve and rectify issues through the models' run.
As they were dying as Aussie manufacturers, they likely dropped those good business principles.
Leupold may well use the same good company principles; I think they are the only 100% American scope maker left.
Not sure where the components come from, though.

[bigrich]

You can never know for sure, with someone else's findings, but the bloke was pretty much a normal younger shooter and seemed honest enough, going only on forum posts and stuff.

An older shooter who used Leupold seemed to agree that an issue was there, whether it was a particular model or their first attempt with the anti-glare coating.

Brand loyalty is for mugs IMHO. It just hides any bad points, as the fanboys won't talk.
The best thing about dedicated internet forums, for me, was blokes giving their honest opinions so we did learn of bad points, not like salesman are going to talk, or admit anything.
They now infiltrate the forums and they could end up like Facecrack, good luck getting any info there, just infotainment.
Then the brand, be it Holden, Ford, Stihl, makes dud models, but still sells well on the previous model's reputation.
A good company will quickly rectify the issues; lots of American companies go all out to keep customers happy.

Holden and Ford used to improve and rectify issues through the models' run.
As they were dying as Aussie manufacturers, they likely dropped those good business principles.
Leupold may well use the same good company principles; I think they are the only 100% American scope maker left.
Not sure where the components come from, though.

AFAIK leupold sources some gear from china , with high QC i expect , and are assembled in the USA. I think you'd be surprised how many "high end" companies get parts made in china . i stick with leupold cause they're a lot of scope for the money . and ya can't beat their lifetime warranty . i buy older scopes and get them serviced for free . if they fail leupold gives me a new equivalent model scope . can't get better than that

[Fester]

No surprises here; they reckon Nightforce scopes come in fully assembled.
Nothing wrong with them, but I wouldn't be carrying one on my back.

The way I decided on a good lightweight hunting scope was to just choose a simple design, no AO knobs or complications.
I compared the simple Bushy 3500 series with a Leupold that cost around double at the time.
My eyes seem to like the Bushnells, and the Leo showed no extra clarity in bright daylight when looking at a picket fence detail at 200yds.
The day that scope stops holding zero is the day it comes off my deer rifle.

I shot a lightweight hunting rifle with a pretty oldish Leupold that was impressive. Another bloke had a look through it and said the same, very clear, crisp image.

Leupolds now cost a lot more $ and would have to be improving with the times.
Otherwise, their sales percentage would just drop with blokes buying the 800-$1,000 impressive Chinese scopes that are now out there.

[bigrich]

No surprises here; they reckon Nightforce scopes come in fully assembled.
Nothing wrong with them, but I wouldn't be carrying one on my back.

The way I decided on a good lightweight hunting scope was to just choose a simple design, no AO knobs or complications.
I compared the simple Bushy 3500 series with a Leupold that cost around double at the time.
My eyes seem to like the Bushnells, and the Leo showed no extra clarity in bright daylight when looking at a picket fence detail at 200yds.
The day that scope stops holding zero is the day it comes off my deer rifle.

I shot a lightweight hunting rifle with a pretty oldish Leupold that was impressive. Another bloke had a look through it and said the same, very clear, crisp image.

Leupolds now cost a lot more $ and would have to be improving with the times.
Otherwise, their sales percentage would just drop with blokes buying the 800-$1,000 impressive Chinese scopes that are now out there.

where you notice a leupold is in low light . i was out at bollon years ago with a mate , with a 1.5-5 loopy on my 358win model 70 . i passed it to him at dusk, early evening and he looked through it and 30 feet away were some small pigs in the gloom under a tree that we couldn't see with the naked eye. the lens quality in low light is why i pay the money . and the reliability and lifetime warranty. for the money though the old bushnell trophy xlt are good value for general hunting. i had one and wished i kept it

[Wapiti]

You can never know for sure, with someone else's findings, but the bloke was pretty much a normal younger shooter and seemed honest enough, going only on forum posts and stuff.

An older shooter who used Leupold seemed to agree that an issue was there, whether it was a particular model or their first attempt with the anti-glare coating.

You believe what you want mate, what you are basically hinting at is that I am full of it. An older shooter "seemed to agree" with a younger shooter, FMD.
Problem with people who dribble bulls**t is, some without the gift of sense believe it, and therefore miss out on better gear and struggle with rubbish.

As for brand loyalty, I have a lot of Leupolds, but it's got nothing to do with that.
For example, Leupold source their cheaper binos from Chyna, and their "high end" binos from Japan. I will not buy Leupold in that case.

Cheap crap that doesn't take the knocks, the dust and an optic that make my eyes point in different directions are going to cost me way more money than I save at the cash register.

Unfortunately, the world is full of armchair experts, and people who will buy bridges from a liar for $100.

[Peter988]

My old 222 still has the original 6x40 on it and it’s shot an awful lot of stuff from 20m to 200m. Lost count of the number of times pigs bolted almost at my feet and were immediately acquired and put down. It’s retired now. The older 22 still has 4x32 on it. KISS.
When i bought my daytime 223 in 2017 it was my first variable - Leupold 4-12x40 - in 50 yrs of shooting . Don’t do much daytime shooting these days but when I do it stays permanently on 7 power. The only advantage I get is being able to see the bullet holes if I am group testing a new load. Saves me walking to the target. But then, I am a dinosaur. It’s all night and thermal these days.