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Re: Best quality optic sub 1k

Post by ClaytonT88 » 27 Feb 2019, 1:30 pm

I've really only looked through a few Leupolds and a couple of Burris scopes but just about everyone I've asked about the Meopro range loves them. I'm looking at putting a 3.5-10X44 on my T1X when I get it. Having said that I still plan on looking through some scopes when I'm down at the store and seeing what tickles my fancy.
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Re: Best quality optic sub 1k

Post by Stix » 27 Feb 2019, 4:44 pm

MUZZ wrote:Probably too late now, but I have a Leupold 3Xi 4.5x14x50 on my 223 and I love it. I have Redfield and Japanese TASCO on my rimfire rifles and they are OK but the Leupold is a big step above for glass clarity and simple but crisp reticle. Cost is around the $1000 mark but a good scope is something you should be able to have for a long long time without needing to replace it. This scope is also VERY GOOD at night when spotlighting.
I bought a Bushnell and sold it within a year, the reticle was so thick it seemed to block the critical part of what I was trying to shoot.

NOIA TV did a comparison between 4 scopes to see how they performed in low light - because sometimes ur out there at the crack of dawn or late into the day. Leupold and Meopta came out best out of the 4. Swarovski and Zeiss didn't fair so well....


Wow thats interesting...
Do you have a link t the video/NIOA TV thing...?
Ive looked through a couple of Swarovski's & found thrm amazing, so id love to see this comparison.
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Post by TassieTiger » 27 Feb 2019, 9:06 pm

If you haven’t purchased yet - have a look at this app. It’s free.
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/sniper- ... 1026883819

Once you have a load selected - you can choose from hundreds of late model scopes, zoom appropriately to the range of that actual scope - and see exactly how a number of different targets and their size will appear through the selected scope / reticle.
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Re: Best quality optic sub 1k

Post by Bill » 28 Feb 2019, 8:20 am

Stix wrote:
MUZZ wrote:Probably too late now, but I have a Leupold 3Xi 4.5x14x50 on my 223 and I love it. I have Redfield and Japanese TASCO on my rimfire rifles and they are OK but the Leupold is a big step above for glass clarity and simple but crisp reticle. Cost is around the $1000 mark but a good scope is something you should be able to have for a long long time without needing to replace it. This scope is also VERY GOOD at night when spotlighting.
I bought a Bushnell and sold it within a year, the reticle was so thick it seemed to block the critical part of what I was trying to shoot.

NOIA TV did a comparison between 4 scopes to see how they performed in low light - because sometimes ur out there at the crack of dawn or late into the day. Leupold and Meopta came out best out of the 4. Swarovski and Zeiss didn't fair so well....


Wow thats interesting...
Do you have a link t the video/NIOA TV thing...?
Ive looked through a couple of Swarovski's & found thrm amazing, so id love to see this comparison.
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hit youtube and type in NIOA TV - SEASON 5 / EPISODE 3

not the most scientific testing but the Swaro Z3 gets an absolute pasting by the Nioa eggspurts. I suspect they were being kind by placing the Leupold VX3i equal first place with the Meopta Meopro.
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Re: Best quality optic sub 1k

Post by Steve-0 » 01 Mar 2019, 6:41 am

ClaytonT88 wrote:I've really only looked through a few Leupolds and a couple of Burris scopes but just about everyone I've asked about the Meopro range loves them. I'm looking at putting a 3.5-10X44 on my T1X when I get it. Having said that I still plan on looking through some scopes when I'm down at the store and seeing what tickles my fancy.

I just bought a meopro 6-18x50 from Tamworth firearms, haven't mounted it yet, but it certainly looks good. It's going on a Howa varmint .223
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Post by JimTom » 01 Mar 2019, 7:47 am

Steve-0 wrote:
ClaytonT88 wrote:I've really only looked through a few Leupolds and a couple of Burris scopes but just about everyone I've asked about the Meopro range loves them. I'm looking at putting a 3.5-10X44 on my T1X when I get it. Having said that I still plan on looking through some scopes when I'm down at the store and seeing what tickles my fancy.

I just bought a meopro 6-18x50 from Tamworth firearms, haven't mounted it yet, but it certainly looks good. It's going on a Howa varmint .223


I have the exact scope on my 6.5 Manbun. It is a great bit of kit. You won’t regret the purchase mate.
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Post by Steve-0 » 01 Mar 2019, 11:03 am

JimTom wrote:
Steve-0 wrote:
ClaytonT88 wrote:I've really only looked through a few Leupolds and a couple of Burris scopes but just about everyone I've asked about the Meopro range loves them. I'm looking at putting a 3.5-10X44 on my T1X when I get it. Having said that I still plan on looking through some scopes when I'm down at the store and seeing what tickles my fancy.

I just bought a meopro 6-18x50 from Tamworth firearms, haven't mounted it yet, but it certainly looks good. It's going on a Howa varmint .223


I have the exact scope on my 6.5 Manbun. It is a great bit of kit. You won’t regret the purchase mate.

Good stuff. I have heard from a couple of blokes that they have nearly ran out of elevation at 100 years when sighting in, they have either put a 20moa rail on or shimmed the back ring.
Do you have yours on a rail? I have seen a few on the Howa Facebook page just on rings with no mention of running out of elevation.
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Post by JimTom » 01 Mar 2019, 11:05 am

No mate, mine is straight into the rifle via a set of Warne vertical split rings. Rifle is a Sako A7.
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 01 Mar 2019, 1:47 pm

Cyclops Videos wrote:I first wanted to say hello . I'm Joe from Cyclops Videos . And I wanted to throw my two cents in for Meopta also . Here is the US they aren't very well known in general ....But have been making a huge impression on me so far



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Re: Best quality optic sub 1k

Post by Chappo » 01 Mar 2019, 8:52 pm

Stix wrote:
MUZZ wrote:NOIA TV did a comparison between 4 scopes to see how they performed in low light - because sometimes ur out there at the crack of dawn or late into the day. Leupold and Meopta came out best out of the 4. Swarovski and Zeiss didn't fair so well....


Wow thats interesting...
Do you have a link t the video/NIOA TV thing...?
Ive looked through a couple of Swarovski's & found thrm amazing, so id love to see this comparison.
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Nioa don’t import Swarov’s or Zeiss to my knowledge, nor do they import Meopta’s but they’d have good reason to praise the loopy’s

Perhaps a scope comparison made by a Swarovski importer would have a different outcome?
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Post by TassieTiger » 01 Mar 2019, 9:41 pm

There’s a food write up in a recent aust shooter between Leo 4-12/40 and Swarovski equal which was 44 from memory. I think from further memory the author was just a casual contributor comparing two scopes he owned.
The Leo was $860 and swark was $1500 from memory.
The author commented on how similar the glass was, and saidcthe swark had firmer / solid clickers - apart from that they were more or less very, very equal, so with the price difference in play, was hard to justify the extra cost.
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Re: Best quality optic sub 1k

Post by deye243 » 01 Mar 2019, 10:15 pm

I highly doubt a vx2 would be any where near a Swarovski
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Post by Bill » 01 Mar 2019, 10:36 pm

Swaro Z3 is there budget scope, it def aint no high end product, looked thru em a few times and they seem ok wasnt bowled over. Had 2 Zeiss terra's and they are just plain cheap, got rid of em. Currently using 3 Meopta's and so far well pleased. Meostar RGD really realy clear, big fan of the 1 moa illuminated dot reticle Meopta do.

no Mag or online show has the balls to do a blind box scope test in this country, be interesting I reckon.
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Post by SCJ429 » 02 Mar 2019, 9:35 am

Can you get a Swarovski Z3 with a 44 objective lens? I thought the Z5 had the 44 lens.

I have a couple of Leupold VX3 long range scopes and the glass is decent but I wouldn't like to compare them with double the price European optics.
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Post by TassieTiger » 02 Mar 2019, 1:45 pm

deye243 wrote:I highly doubt a vx2 would be any where near a Swarovski


Care to elaborate ?
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Post by TassieTiger » 02 Mar 2019, 2:19 pm

everything is subjective...but this owner of both vx3 and the double the price swark z3 - rates the Leo equal on image quality, better on warranty, and much better on price...

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Post by SCJ429 » 02 Mar 2019, 4:36 pm

I must say that the Leupold warrenty is great, they fixed my thirty year old scope with no questions asked. Swarovski might be the same.

The two images in the article look very different, I am betting the left hand image is the Swarovski but both images are fine for hunting. I wonder if the author did a comparison between the Leupold and a Bushnell worth half as much, his conclusions might be the same.

For guys using the Swarovski and loving it, good for you. I like using my Leupolds but wouldnt suggest they are the best value out there.
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Post by TassieTiger » 02 Mar 2019, 4:47 pm

$600 vs $1300 ? I’d want some significant bloody difference thanks...

The old saying you get what you pay for is so subjective and opinionated when talking optics...
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Post by deye243 » 02 Mar 2019, 5:52 pm

TassieTiger wrote:
deye243 wrote:I highly doubt a vx2 would be any where near a Swarovski


Care to elaborate ?


TT You said it was a vx2 as in a 4-12 but the article says 3.5-10 which is a vx3 so I'm lost a bit ........ now I have seen through a z3 and no way a vx2 will be as good as a vx2
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Post by TassieTiger » 02 Mar 2019, 6:57 pm

deye243 wrote:
TassieTiger wrote:
deye243 wrote:I highly doubt a vx2 would be any where near a Swarovski


Care to elaborate ?


TT You said it was a vx2 as in a 4-12 but the article says 3.5-10 which is a vx3 so I'm lost a bit ........ now I have seen through a z3 and no way a vx2 will be as good as a vx2


I’m confused as well now - “no way a vx2 will be as good as a vx2”??

For clarification -The article refers to a vx3 vs a Z3.

I said from memory the article said... - and my memory ain’t what it used to be...so I dug through 50 mags and dug out the article - cause I wanted to clarify. I thought you might have had some real world experience with Your comment re “I doubt a vx2 would be anywhere near a swarkovski” well...what swarkovski? Or did you mean any swarkovski?

My understanding is that the diff between vx2 and Vx3 is a 1% increase in light gathering ability, custom turret selection, more reticle choice and more robust internals. So not really a huge visual difference in real world light at least.

I’ve looked through some top end swarks including z8I and various z5’s and they are good, very good - but I’m not convinced they are triple the $$$ better...?? I haven’t looked in a Z3 as yet. It seems to me that swarkovski is known as a premium European brand name and whilst you’ll get a fantastic product, you’ll also pay a lot for that name on the side?
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Post by Bill » 02 Mar 2019, 7:53 pm

did you just compare a bushnell to a Swaro via loopy...... each to their own I reckon, I love my burris fullfieds and prefer them over VX3's.....
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Post by SCJ429 » 02 Mar 2019, 10:09 pm

Bill wrote:did you just compare a bushnell to a Swaro via loopy...... each to their own I reckon, I love my burris fullfieds and prefer them over VX3's.....


No sure what you are saying Bill. I did say that if you compare a $600 scope to a $1200 scope and can't justify the extra money. Why stop there, compare a $250 scope to a $600 scope and you may conclude that you don't get much more for your money.

For me, I bought a Nightforce Competition series scope, if someone beats me using a $600 Leupold I will then consider that I wasted my money.. I was using a cheaper scope but was beaten by Nightfoce users. I thought if I couldn't beat them I would join them.
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Post by deye243 » 02 Mar 2019, 10:27 pm

TassieTiger wrote:
deye243 wrote:
TassieTiger wrote:
deye243 wrote:I highly doubt a vx2 would be any where near a Swarovski


Care to elaborate ?


TT You said it was a vx2 as in a 4-12 but the article says 3.5-10 which is a vx3 so I'm lost a bit ........ now I have seen through a z3 and no way a vx2 will be as good as a vx2


I’m confused as well now - “no way a vx2 will be as good as a vx2”??

For clarification -The article refers to a vx3 vs a Z3.

I said from memory the article said... - and my memory ain’t what it used to be...so I dug through 50 mags and dug out the article - cause I wanted to clarify. I thought you might have had some real world experience with Your comment re “I doubt a vx2 would be anywhere near a swarkovski” well...what swarkovski? Or did you mean any swarkovski?

My understanding is that the diff between vx2 and Vx3 is a 1% increase in light gathering ability, custom turret selection, more reticle choice and more robust internals. So not really a huge visual difference in real world light at least.

I’ve looked through some top end swarks including z8I and various z5’s and they are good, very good - but I’m not convinced they are triple the $$$ better...?? I haven’t looked in a Z3 as yet. It seems to me that swarkovski is known as a premium European brand name and whilst you’ll get a fantastic product, you’ll also pay a lot for that name on the side?


Don't get sucked in to the light gathering ability thing there is a hole lot of more important things like contrast depth of field and chromatic aberration and over the years I have had about 6 vx2 and 9 vx3 and the 3 win hands down but then again most of my scope work is at night and a NF NXS leaves them all for dead day or night
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Re: Best quality optic sub 1k

Post by Bill » 03 Mar 2019, 8:19 am

SCJ429 wrote:
Bill wrote:did you just compare a bushnell to a Swaro via loopy...... each to their own I reckon, I love my burris fullfieds and prefer them over VX3's.....


No sure what you are saying Bill. I did say that if you compare a $600 scope to a $1200 scope and can't justify the extra money. Why stop there, compare a $250 scope to a $600 scope and you may conclude that you don't get much more for your money.

For me, I bought a Nightforce Competition series scope, if someone beats me using a $600 Leupold I will then consider that I wasted my money.. I was using a cheaper scope but was beaten by Nightfoce users. I thought if I couldn't beat them I would join them.


I had 2 bushnell on rifles over the last 2 years as gap fillers till cash flow allowed an upgrade, terrible under a spotlight, very critical eye relief they were really only useful for range pinking. Gave 1 away to a mate kids and sold the other to a mate for $100 despite being new, I sold it being very budget knock about scope, let's not polish what really is a turd of a scope.
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Post by TassieTiger » 03 Mar 2019, 8:30 am

deye243 wrote:
TassieTiger wrote:
deye243 wrote:
TassieTiger wrote:
deye243 wrote:I highly doubt a vx2 would be any where near a Swarovski


Care to elaborate ?


TT You said it was a vx2 as in a 4-12 but the article says 3.5-10 which is a vx3 so I'm lost a bit ........ now I have seen through a z3 and no way a vx2 will be as good as a vx2


I’m confused as well now - “no way a vx2 will be as good as a vx2”??

For clarification -The article refers to a vx3 vs a Z3.

I said from memory the article said... - and my memory ain’t what it used to be...so I dug through 50 mags and dug out the article - cause I wanted to clarify. I thought you might have had some real world experience with Your comment re “I doubt a vx2 would be anywhere near a swarkovski” well...what swarkovski? Or did you mean any swarkovski?

My understanding is that the diff between vx2 and Vx3 is a 1% increase in light gathering ability, custom turret selection, more reticle choice and more robust internals. So not really a huge visual difference in real world light at least.

I’ve looked through some top end swarks including z8I and various z5’s and they are good, very good - but I’m not convinced they are triple the $$$ better...?? I haven’t looked in a Z3 as yet. It seems to me that swarkovski is known as a premium European brand name and whilst you’ll get a fantastic product, you’ll also pay a lot for that name on the side?


Don't get sucked in to the light gathering ability thing there is a hole lot of more important things like contrast depth of field and chromatic aberration and over the years I have had about 6 vx2 and 9 vx3 and the 3 win hands down but then again most of my scope work is at night and a NF NXS leaves them all for dead day or night



This is where I get confused....I currently have a vx2 and a vx 3 and if I put them on 7- 18 mag so they are comparable - I along with various friend - shooters and non shooters - cannot split them optically - so when you say the vx3 wins hands down, what is it that stands out ?
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Post by JSS » 03 Mar 2019, 10:44 am

TassieTiger wrote:This is where I get confused....I currently have a vx2 and a vx 3 and if I put them on 7- 18 mag so they are comparable - I along with various friend - shooters and non shooters - cannot split them optically - so when you say the vx3 wins hands down, what is it that stands out ?


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Post by Stix » 03 Mar 2019, 12:17 pm

TassieTiger wrote:This is where I get confused....I currently have a vx2 and a vx 3 and if I put them on 7- 18 mag so they are comparable - I along with various friend - shooters and non shooters - cannot split them optically - so when you say the vx3 wins hands down, what is it that stands out ?


Hey Tassie...
Chromatic abberation is where the light "prisms"--refracts through the other end & seperates all the colours if you like...
It will appear as a slight warm shade (say orangy red) on one side of an oblect, & a cooler colour on the other side, say a greent blue.
I have a "fantastic" Ziess that cost me $1500 & is real bad for it.

There is also edge to edge sharpness--this same zeiss is sharp image for sure...but blurry outside the centre general viewing area, & badly distorted image around the edges.

Also test a scope in bright sunlight...look & see how much detail you can see in the shadows & for that matter the highlights...but if doing this, dont let your eyes do the adjustment for you...! cos your brain will adjust what it sees giving you a flase impression of how good it is, & or any differences between scopes...
Lke setting the dioptre on a scope for your own eyes, only have glances then look away to do these tests---seeing people look through a scope for long periods of time (like the test in that NIOA video) lets your brain adjust to what you see, which couldl be a reason they cant tell a difference between the top 2--(note i say could be)

for example...look at the likes of (maybe a bad exampe) a wedding dress in bright sunlight...a cheaper scope gives you the impresion its "very clear & sharp" a because the coatings on it give the image a very high contrast, so a red bucket will look VERY bright red on a dull day...
But if you look at the wedding dress in bright sunshine, it will be so bright you will only see a glary haze of white causing you to squint even looking through the scope...
Look at the same dress with i high end glass & you will se the detail in the lace & not have to squint...

That is an extreme examle, but food for thought hopefully mate...

You could do that type experiment in the snow on a sunny day--that will show up good optics for sure.

These things may be subtle, but along with the fine resolving power of good lenses, they do make a difference in such things as spotting goats from 600 yds on a sunny day...at long range, what you can barely make out with a Vx2 & thus come to the conclusion is an old burnt out stump that has silvered off on the outside, turns into a big billy goat with a Swaro Z6.

And what JSS says too... :thumbsup: Clever marketing...
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Re: Best quality optic sub 1k

Post by Sergeant Hartman » 03 Mar 2019, 9:22 pm

I don't have a swaro or nightforce. But a friend has both and he has decided that the nightforce is better than the swaro. He is not talking about the basic models either.

I got a vx3 and a sightron s3.... and both are better than an athlon argos, that the yanks absolutely rave about as a very good value 4 money scope.

I need 1 more scope and I am in a dilemma, do i get a sightron 8x32 (from a mate) for a really good price or wait and get a nightforce br 12x42 for nearly 2 thirds more.

I have come to the conclusion, that the best thing is to try and get a used good quality scope esp seeing many have lifetime warranties over a medium or low quality new scope.
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Re: Best quality optic sub 1k

Post by Chappo » 03 Mar 2019, 10:00 pm

Get back on topic you lot!
I still haven’t made up my mind :D
I’ve been reading this one with great interest to figure out which way to go with a new 22-250 for hunting.
So far I’m thinking of saving my pocket money and giving a Nikon prostaff 4-12 a run?
Although I do like the idea of a higher quality second hand one?
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Re: Best quality optic sub 1k

Post by deye243 » 04 Mar 2019, 12:00 am

Chappo wrote:Get back on topic you lot!
I still haven’t made up my mind :D
I’ve been reading this one with great interest to figure out which way to go with a new 22-250 for hunting.
So far I’m thinking of saving my pocket money and giving a Nikon prostaff 4-12 a run?
Although I do like the idea of a higher quality second hand one?


Anything less than a VX3 6.5-20X50 will leave you wanting if you intend using a 22-250 for what it was designed to do ......
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