Recommended scope for 500m fly with a 308?

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Recommended scope for 500m fly with a 308?

Post by Kelsey Cooter » 13 Mar 2019, 9:36 pm

I've got a 6-18×40 on my 308, but now I'm thinking I'd like to set it up a bit more for fly, so I'm wondering what scope size would be necessary for seeing the 308 holes at 500?

I think almost every gun on the line had a nightforce on it when i went to my 1st fly shoot a couple of weeks ago. Is really high magnification needed for a 308 or would you expect to see the holes at 500m with a decent 25power scope if the weather conditions are good?
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Re: Recommended scope for 500m fly with a 308?

Post by Apollo » 14 Mar 2019, 2:11 pm

Well, I have competed in quite a number of 500m Fly Shoots over the years and at one stage every shoot in NSW for a few years until medical problems got far worse and stopped me from traveling. When I was competing I was mostly in the top quarter of competitors and loved every second of getting away for a weekend shooting Fly. That included competing not only 500m but also 300m Centrefire and 200 Yard Rimfire. The friendship of the top shooters in Australia was great as were the stories afterwards of what did or didn't go right or wrong over the weekend.

The collection of Fly Patches and Trophies is now gathering dust. What a great feeling to come out on top or near to it for the day with the best scoring target and smallest group but the most pleasure is earning a Fly Patch from every competition entered.

If you have been to one then you will know it's not easy by any means. The colour of the target and the fly is a challenge to see clearly at the best of times yet alone with any sort of mirage where it becomes an educated guess as the mirage gets worse.

In the years I competed the most common scope used was the Nightforce 12-42 BR Target and still probably the majority of those used unless you have the dollars to upgrade to the newer competition versions. Those that used anything less in magnification were pushing it uphill and most times couldn't see their bullet holes unless they used a Spotting Scope or asked someone else to check their target.

I have seen only a few competitors using a 308 Target Rifle and even though they were pretty good shooters they didn't end up scoring very well against the rest of the pack. In my view not a very competitive calibre for Fly.

If you want to see holes and for that matter the fly at 500 you will need something a lot more magnification than 25x power.

Look at the scopes used during a Fly Shoot and politely ask some shooters to have a look through their scope and you will get a lot better idea of what they are seeing.

I started with a Nightforce BR 12-42x Scope but it wasn't long before I upgraded that to a March 8-80x on my main rifle but also have a March 5-50x and a March 10-60x on others. Yes, bloody expensive but that is what I wanted at the time to stay with the top crew. The calibre I use is 6.5x47 Lapua and it was bloody hard to see bullet holes for even half the day in warmer weather. The small groups I shot near 1.00" were mainly in the cooler morning details before the mirage got going.

Whatever you use, have fun (rule #10) and enjoy the competition.

I haven't been on this site for some time as I have been away and only here today collecting some gear before upcoming surgery so I may not be back for some time. I can't find my Login Password to use on another computer, maybe just missing looking it up in the right spot but that's what happens when you aren't quite focused.

Best of luck.
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Re: Recommended scope for 500m fly with a 308?

Post by Apollo » 14 Mar 2019, 2:56 pm

BTW....

Before I head off...

If you want to keep up to date, ask questions etc about 500m Fly get onto the 500M Fly Forum. Register, post your photo (required) and enjoy.

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Re: Recommended scope for 500m fly with a 308?

Post by TassieTiger » 14 Mar 2019, 2:58 pm

Any reason you chose 6.5x47 lap over man bun or 260 Apollo?
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Re: Recommended scope for 500m fly with a 308?

Post by Apollo » 14 Mar 2019, 3:08 pm

TassieTiger wrote:Any reason you chose 6.5x47 lap over man bun or 260 Apollo?


Just caught me.

Don't know what "man bun" is ... ?? But 6.5x47L over 260 Rem is Accuracy. A smaller cartridge case that performs velocity wise as well but has less recoil from a lesser powder charge. Typical here is using a 130gr Berger VLD using 37.4gr AR2208 for a tad over 2900fps velocity out of a 28.5" barrel. Small rifle primer and a few other reasons.

There other other very great calibres like 6mmBR, 6 Dasher and 6mmAI which all I had trouble keeping up with but with a bit of wind the 6.5mm is an advantage.
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Re: Recommended scope for 500m fly with a 308?

Post by TassieTiger » 14 Mar 2019, 3:31 pm

Appreciate the response - thank you.
Man bun = the over popular 6.5mm creedmore...regularly claimed by many to be the outright leader for distance/accuracy but talking to ppl like yourself, who are clearly very experienced - I’m not so sure...
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Re: Recommended scope for 500m fly with a 308?

Post by sungazer » 14 Mar 2019, 3:46 pm

As you said when you go to competitions you will see nearly all Nightforce a very good reason for that is that they are very optically good and they track very well and are solid as in they last very well. If you go to a F-class shoot you will also see nearly all Nightforce the previous most popular models were the 8-32 Benchrest but a few years ago they came out with a ?-55 competition. I have both and my scores went up a point or two when I upgraded to the 55 times. I dont use it all the time at max when there is heavy mirage I might wind it back to 40 or even 32. Is the extra magnification worth it. Yes every bit of it. It enables you not only to see the target better but you can see if you have any tremors and it makes it easier to aim off small amounts. The 308 might be a little bit behind in the running at 500yrds it picks up again over that thou against the 6mm and 6.5 mm more popular in the fly.
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Re: Recommended scope for 500m fly with a 308?

Post by SCJ429 » 14 Mar 2019, 6:47 pm

You can use the Nightforce 32x BR at 500 and see quite well. You can pick one up secondhand for $1,000.
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Re: Recommended scope for 500m fly with a 308?

Post by Apollo » 15 Mar 2019, 7:54 pm

At a pinch but I think a bit under powered for Benchrest. Not sure lately but awhile back there were quite a few selling their 12-42's off to get the newer 55x Nightforce and they were going for not much more dollars. Well, less than 1,500 but I haven't been keeping tabs.

Nightforce I believe still offer the best buy for the money in a competition scope.
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Re: Recommended scope for 500m fly with a 308?

Post by Kelsey Cooter » 15 Mar 2019, 9:16 pm

Ok, yes i think I'll start with finding a second hand nightforce, the gun was originally intended to be for hunting, hence why its 308 with 6-18x40, but I really like the idea of heading to a few fly shoots. I'm shy about putting a heap of money into a really high powered scope and then loosing interest in fly :lol:
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Re: Recommended scope for 500m fly with a 308?

Post by Apollo » 15 Mar 2019, 9:32 pm

Hunting...??? Wow.

In my view a Rifle intended for hunting is a million miles from what is required to go Target Shooting....Well, Benchrest and that is what 500M Fly is all about.

I have a feeling you may have gone to perhaps the Mackay Shoot. There is one there in a week or few. Nominate for it and go if you can,,,it's a real buzz to be apart of the competition.

See how you go, well at least get there and see what is being used. I think it's their first national rated shoot and looking at the nominations there aren't a lot listed but at least one from down this neck of the woods who is a pretty good shooter. Tim & Vince V.
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Re: Recommended scope for 500m fly with a 308?

Post by Ziad » 15 Mar 2019, 9:50 pm

I have a nightforce 12x42 br.... maybe could sell it for 1600-1700ish.... might give me incentive to get the 15x55.... lol
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Post by Apollo » 15 Mar 2019, 10:03 pm

Ziad wrote:I have a nightforce 12x42 br.... maybe could sell it for 1600-1700ish.... might give me incentive to get the 15x55.... lol


I'm not being smart but forgive me please. It was a few years ago and I sold my 12-42x for $1100 when at the time a new one was about $1600 at the wrong place.. I imagine they have gone up in price, I haven't been interested in tracking the sales. Don't know what a 15-55x is worth either but.... it's a lot less by miles than buying a March Scope for near 4,000 bucks.

For someone that is serious getting into Benchrest a scope of that quality for less than 2,000 bucks is a great step forward. There are a number of quality scopes of mid power that are way more expensive.

Nightforce BR Scopes were initially designed by a few Benchrest Shooters, one of which is Stuart Elliott of international fame yet alone in the setup of what Fly Shooting is all about. They were designed to cut out the frills and fancy stuff to provide the best optics and adjustment for the purpose... Target Shooting
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Post by Ziad » 16 Mar 2019, 6:52 am

Its not really for sale, I was joking. I just bought it 2nd hand, not even put it on my gun yet.

The price of the 15x55 is around the 2700 mark. Definitely not in March territory

But for the right price nearly anything is for sale.
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Re: Recommended scope for 500m fly with a 308?

Post by sungazer » 16 Mar 2019, 8:16 am

The 12*42s are the same price second hand about the $1000 mark. I think they are the same price new as well. IMHO they are the best buy you can get for the $1000 mark. The 8*32 still works well for a hunting scope perhaps a bit high at the lower end for wide field of view for moving or scopeing but a stationary target at 100-200 and they really work well. They are even used on small bore 22 50yrd benchrest guns. Just shows that magnification can be used for more than just seeing your target.
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Post by SCJ429 » 16 Mar 2019, 8:48 am

Wow, I did not know guys were selling 42x for a grand. I would love to snap up a yellow label for that price if you gents have one for sale. Might have to stick one on every rifle I have.
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Re: Recommended scope for 500m fly with a 308?

Post by Ziad » 16 Mar 2019, 10:12 am

The 12x42 I have seen from $1100-1500 used. I think it was $1895 new. It is an AO scope but illuminated. The 8x32BR is around 1600-1700new. I don't think they are available new.

The 15x55 I have seen one go in a flash for 2k. RRP is near $2900. These have tactical knobs... which increase the value of the scope by $500 on their own.

Considering the price jump not sure why the 12x42 is going so cheap. Must be the tacticool knobs
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Re: Recommended scope for 500m fly with a 308?

Post by Kelsey Cooter » 16 Mar 2019, 10:35 am

Apollo wrote:Hunting...??? Wow.

In my view a Rifle intended for hunting is a million miles from what is required to go Target Shooting....Well, Benchrest and that is what 500M Fly is all about.


Like i said mate, that was the 1st time I'd been to a fly match so of course I don't have a target rifle. Still had alot of fun though
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