Stix wrote:Ok cheers...A closed group eh...cant even have a look first...too good for the non bookfacers...
Gets me why people do that & not have it on the open internet...
bladeracer wrote:Stix wrote:Ok cheers...A closed group eh...cant even have a look first...too good for the non bookfacers...
Gets me why people do that & not have it on the open internet...
They close groups because a huge number of social justice warriors spend their entire dole money on infiltrating any group even vaguely related to firearms, then berating Facebook with complaints until they shut the group down. Closing the group doesn't prevent them, but does tend to allow the group to last a little longer before it gets canned.
bigpete wrote:
marksman wrote:bigpete wrote:
they say a picture is worth a thousand words Pete but how about a report mate
can you say that it compares to the utube vids ect...
bigpete wrote:and it's absolutely fine well past 100m with the on board IR torch.
marksman wrote:I know what I want for xmas
xDom wrote:I’m thinking about spending some coin on a night vision Monocular.
I’ve been doing some reading and I’ve been looking at some Yukon/Pulsar units for about $650.
What sort of quality would you expect for that?
I did some reading on earlier threads where posters were asking about NV scopes. The responses were along the lines of , if you’re not gonna spend megabucks then it’s only gonna be gimicky gear that’s of little use.
Is this the same with monoculars?
Note, I am stearing clear on the Aldi/EBay $150 specials!
niteowl wrote:I realize this is a really old thread, but don't get caught with entry level gear.
We run "workshops" for teaching people and Govt departments about the various types of "night vision" and the after a PP and discussion session we then show people the actual equipment.
Starting with basic stuff that is really only toys, which impresses people who have never used anything before. The comments are "Fantastic, this is great I can see things".
Then go to Gen 3 Mil spec, which blows them away. (Gen 2 is not worth the extra cost for the small increase in performance).
Great you think, then go to commercial grade thermal. The stunned comments can't really be printed here, it is FAR ahead of Mil Gen 3.
From there we go to Military thermal. I DO realize that Military thermal is way out of reach for more than a fortunate few, but it shows what can be achieved.
A few things need to be clarified here, one, digital has problems as it needs a truck load of IR to make it workable at more than a hundred meters especially when there is no moonlight, BUT nocturnal animals CAN see IR, even 940 nm covert IR. As well as the red light that is very visible to all, especially when the power level gets up with lower frequency IR illuminators. After a while animals get wary just like when you are using a spotlight, it works for a while. Gen 3 Image intensifying is better but still needs light of some kind, IR or visible AND a high contrast target even though the resolution is good.
There is also a lot of confusion, some people refer to IR night vision. IR night vision is thermal only, as it detects IR ONLY. You have all heard of FLIR, Forward Looking Infrared!
Image intensifying and digital will see various wave lengths of IR and visible light.
When we have concluded a workshop, the opinion is that people do not want entry level any more, and prefer to save and not waste precious money on poor equipment that seemed so good because they did not know what was available.
My apologies to all I have offended, but I / we have been through ALL the versions and types over time and believe I can give an unbiased view on them all.
As a contractor for over about 55 years, and "NV" user for 14, now use nothing but thermal, except at specific times, due to a special situation where I need to see through glass, I will use a Gen 3 monocular for observation only.
niteowl wrote:No you don't need to for just that, but most people don't want stay there once they have a taste of it. And no you don't need to go to 10K as you say but 2K will get you a toy.
It need to be pointed out that sooo many people get sucked in because they have not had a chance to see anything else and feel that first impression of actually seeing in the dark for the first time is stunning.
Sorry if you do not like newcomers to the forum that may know something??
niteowl wrote:The first line of my last post should explain what I am saying
TassieTiger wrote:niteowl wrote:The first line of my last post should explain what I am saying
After viewing a small range of thermals (upwards of $7k) and Several night vision monoculars and dedicated night scopes that ranged up to $3k, I settled on a $800 pard...I could afford the better equipment but I couldn’t justify the extra expense so - everything You’ve said is not only subjective but also based individual circumstance.
niteowl wrote:I realize this is a really old thread, but don't get caught with entry level gear.
We run "workshops" for teaching people and Govt departments about the various types of "night vision" and the after a PP and discussion session we then show people the actual equipment.
Starting with basic stuff that is really only toys, which impresses people who have never used anything before. The comments are "Fantastic, this is great I can see things".
Then go to Gen 3 Mil spec, which blows them away. (Gen 2 is not worth the extra cost for the small increase in performance).
Great you think, then go to commercial grade thermal. The stunned comments can't really be printed here, it is FAR ahead of Mil Gen 3.
From there we go to Military thermal. I DO realize that Military thermal is way out of reach for more than a fortunate few, but it shows what can be achieved.
A few things need to be clarified here, one, digital has problems as it needs a truck load of IR to make it workable at more than a hundred meters especially when there is no moonlight, BUT nocturnal animals CAN see IR, even 940 nm covert IR. As well as the red light that is very visible to all, especially when the power level gets up with lower frequency IR illuminators. After a while animals get wary just like when you are using a spotlight, it works for a while. Gen 3 Image intensifying is better but still needs light of some kind, IR or visible AND a high contrast target even though the resolution is good.
There is also a lot of confusion, some people refer to IR night vision. IR night vision is thermal only, as it detects IR ONLY. You have all heard of FLIR, Forward Looking Infrared!
Image intensifying and digital will see various wave lengths of IR and visible light.
When we have concluded a workshop, the opinion is that people do not want entry level any more, and prefer to save and not waste precious money on poor equipment that seemed so good because they did not know what was available.
My apologies to all I have offended, but I / we have been through ALL the versions and types over time and believe I can give an unbiased view on them all.
As a contractor for over about 55 years, and "NV" user for 14, now use nothing but thermal, except at specific times, due to a special situation where I need to see through glass, I will use a Gen 3 monocular for observation only.
xDom wrote:I’ve seen a second hand FLIR thermal on EBay. How do you go about using it on the field?
Bladeracer in his post before mentioned the issue of looking at a bright screen then your eyes adjusting back when you look away from the device.
I’ve read other reports in the internet, people saying the same thing.
I guess ideally you need thermal monocular and a thermal scope! $$!