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What scope would you recommend?

Post by TheFirearmEnthusiast » 26 Dec 2019, 8:02 am

Hey guys

I hope you are all well

I hope everyone had a great Christmas with plenty of food and joy

I'm in the market for a new scope

And I just have 2x questions

The new scope that I wanna buy
It's to go onto my:
"Ruger Precision Rimfire Rifle .22LR"
I plan on doing target shooting only with it
(Distances being: 50m, 100m, 150m, 200m, 250m and 300m)

From my research
The 4x best brands appear to be Leupold, Bushnell, Nikon and Vortex.

I have to admit
I seem to LOVE everything I hear about the Leupolds
- Leupolds have a great reputation in the shooters community
(Which is a great sign)
- Leupolds offer a lifetime warranty on all their scopes
(Which is a fantastic peace of mind to have)
- Leupold has been operating since 1907
(Which gives me confidence that they know scopes like the back of their hands)
- Leupold scopes are used by the United States Military, Marine Corps, Navy Seals and Secret Service. Even the Israel Defense Force uses Leupold scopes.
(Which leads me to believe that Leupolds have got to be fantastic scopes)
- Leupold scopes are all made in the United States.
(Which the United States have great quality control there)
- Leupolds are all waterproof and fogproof
(Which is good, it's a good extra, why not)

In short, everything sounds fantastic about the Leupolds

So my 2x questions are:

Question #1
Does anyone here recommend a scope brand other than Leupold? And why?

Question #2
What magnification would be best for me for the kind of target shooting that I plan on doing?
(Distances being: 50m, 100m, 150m, 200m, 250m, 300m)

I was thinking a magnification of maybe:
3-9 x40mm or
3-9 x 50mm or
4-12 x 40mm or
4-12 x 50mm

What do you guys reckon?

Thanks guys
I look forward to hearing from all of you
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And I hope that everybody is enjoying the holiday period
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Re: What scope would you recommend?

Post by SCJ429 » 26 Dec 2019, 9:07 am

The best scopes are Nightforce, Schmidt & Bender, Khales, Swarovski.

Budget scopes would be Bushnell or any Chinese built scope.

Would a Bushnell AR 4 - 18 for $200 do what you want or do you want to spend $3,000 on something premium.
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Post by Stix » 26 Dec 2019, 9:13 am

Only a max magnification of 12x for target shooting out to 300...?

Id be going at least 24x...

I guess it depends if you're shooting for score/groups, or just ringing 12" gongs...but if the former, id imagine you need more magnification
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Post by TheFirearmEnthusiast » 26 Dec 2019, 9:17 am

SCJ429;
I don't wanna get something premium no
My Ruger Precision Rimfire Rifle .22LR is my very 1st rifle
I essentially purchased that firearm just to get started, learn the basics, get a good understanding/foundation and then move up from there
(As everyone here recommended me to do)
I don't wanna spend a fortune on my "entry level" rifle
I wanna spend around $500
:-)
Later down the track
When I get more experienced
When I will purchase my .308 for longer distance target shooting
I will then spend a big amount on that to get the best stuff possible
But for now yeah
I'm just getting started
You don't wanna spend a fortune on your training wheels
:-)

Ah okay Cool
I'll look into those brands that you've just mentioned
:-)

I did hear great things about the Bushnells
I will look into them too
:-)
Originally my choice was between Leupold and Bushnell
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Post by TheFirearmEnthusiast » 26 Dec 2019, 9:22 am

Stix;
Ah thanks
I may have to look into the 24x..

I read a fair bit about it online over the past few days
And most web sites that I read recommended 9x
Saying that 9x is more than enough
(For shooting at 300metres away)

But maybe those web sites were referring to shooting at metallic gongs or hunting big animals

That's why I like to start threads and discuss things with you all on here
Coz sometimes what you read online might be a tad misleading
I do a lot of research, heaps, I try to be as educated as possible
But yeah
Of course that doesn't help if what you're reading is misleading
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Post by Sergeant Hartman » 26 Dec 2019, 9:44 am

I have tried 3x9, 4x12, 4x16, and 6x24 on 22lr. And a Leopold 8.5x24 on a 223/308.

you want to shoot paper you need the highest mag you can afford. I find I set the scope at 24/25x and rarely if ever change it down. The fclass or benchrest guys will have 35x or higher on their 100m target guns.

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Post by TheFirearmEnthusiast » 26 Dec 2019, 9:51 am

Ziad;
Ah
Awesome
Thanks man
That's great advice
Thank you so much

I don't know why the web sites that I read recommended 9x only.....
Like I said, maybe they were referring to metallic gongs and not actual paper

Coz yeah
I wanna shoot paper
And I wanna be as accurate as possible
And the distances that I wanna shoot at will be between 50metres and 300metres

In that case
In terms of magnification
I should definetely go as high as I can get yeah?

Maybe a 6-24 x 40mm then
Or a 6-24 x 50mm
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Post by FuzzyM » 26 Dec 2019, 10:43 am

I have a Ruger precision rimfire.
I am running a cheap Hawke vantage 4-12x40 scope.
It is better in all ways than my Bushnell ar scope.

I have it set to 12x even at 50m on paper.

9x is for large game, or steel gongs at longer range.

It is hard enough as a new shooter hitting small targets at 300m with a centerfire rifle like a 223, let alone a 22lr.
You will need to calculate drop, windage etc.

My Leupold vx1 has been crap. Likes to strip out the elevation adjustment. The models that most people buy, aren't the ones used by the military. They are thousands of dollars.
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Re: What scope would you recommend?

Post by SCJ429 » 26 Dec 2019, 10:50 am

I use a 36x fixed power for 200 metre rimfire rimfire. I also have a 24x fixed Leupold which I have used. You need to be able to see your bullet holes or you are shooting blind. Painted gongs are a bit different, the splash is easier to see.

I use RWS R100 ammo and have fun trying to read the wind. For 300 metres you better be prepared for a challenge.
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Post by TheFirearmEnthusiast » 26 Dec 2019, 11:08 am

Awesome
Thank you so much for the advice Lads
My budget is honestly just around $500
Coz like I said
I don't wanna spend too much on my "entry level, learning rifle"
I'd rather save up and buy an extremely expensive scope later down the track once I become a more advanced/experienced shooter

Awesome
So long story short
I'll try to get the highest amount of magnification possible that $500 can get
I'm not too fussed about brands just yet then
I'd rather focus on the magnification
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Post by TheFirearmEnthusiast » 26 Dec 2019, 11:21 am

You made a great point SCJ429:
"You need to be able to see the holes through the paper when you're shooting. Otherwise you're just shooting blind"

That makes perfect sense to me

Awesome
The highest magnification power it is then
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Re: What scope would you recommend?

Post by SCJ429 » 26 Dec 2019, 12:13 pm

I am not recommending it but it is within your budget.

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Visionking- ... 3ae25dccca
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Post by Sergeant Hartman » 26 Dec 2019, 1:01 pm

Didn't blade say that his order of that scope got intercepted by borderforce
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Post by SCJ429 » 26 Dec 2019, 1:08 pm

He did however it is not a prohibited import so I am guessing there was some other reason that it did not arrive. He did say something about the address being illegible.
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Post by allan » 26 Dec 2019, 1:32 pm

50 to 300 is a big ask for a 22, especially for the inexperienced.
You will need a scope and/or rail with plenty of elevation adjustment to get that far.
Something that you can adjust to rim fire ranges for parallax correction is also important as is a suitable reticule.
High magnification doesn't necessarily translate to clear target visibility either - Very obvious in "cheaper" scopes.
Just me but I'd be looking for a variable of reasonable quality in 4-20 or 6-24 range.
If you shop around on line and are prepared to import, I'm sure you will find something within your budget.
A little more than you want to spend but here's a local offering which would do the job:
https://www.australiantacticalprecision ... icle-26015
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Post by bladeracer » 26 Dec 2019, 1:34 pm

Ziad wrote:Didn't blade say that his order of that scope got intercepted by borderforce


That is what VK told me happened some weeks ago, they didn't say when it was sent back, or notify me that it had been, and I've had nothing from BF about any import seizure. If I hadn't chased it up myself I don't know if they would ever have gotten around to letting me know it wasn't coming. If it arrives I'll endeavour to test it out and post my thoughts about it.
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Post by bladeracer » 26 Dec 2019, 1:38 pm

SCJ429 wrote:I use a 36x fixed power for 200 metre rimfire rimfire. I also have a 24x fixed Leupold which I have used. You need to be able to see your bullet holes or you are shooting blind. Painted gongs are a bit different, the splash is easier to see.

I use RWS R100 ammo and have fun trying to read the wind. For 300 metres you better be prepared for a challenge.


How much elevation adjustment do those have SCJ, enough to allow dialing from a 50m zero out to 300m (around 100 minutes)?
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Post by SCJ429 » 26 Dec 2019, 2:13 pm

I am not sure how much elevation adjustment the scopes have. The 24x I used from 50 to 200 with no cant and it got there with subsonic ammo. The 36x uses 20 MOA cant in the Burris Signiture Zee rings and it gets me to 300. I have not tried to zero it at 50 metres.
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Post by FuzzyM » 26 Dec 2019, 2:22 pm

The Ruger precision rimfire has a stock rail with 20moa of elevation. Its a good start for long range rimfire. Not that I have had a chance to try it yet.
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Post by SCJ429 » 26 Dec 2019, 2:24 pm

I think they may only have 38 MOA adjustment so using some added cant would be required.
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Post by bladeracer » 26 Dec 2019, 3:04 pm

FuzzyM wrote:The Ruger precision rimfire has a stock rail with 20moa of elevation. Its a good start for long range rimfire. Not that I have had a chance to try it yet.


30MoA actually on the RPR, but the rail is not adjustable. You need at least 60MoA of adjustment in a scope to be able to zero it at 100m, more to zero at 50m.
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Post by bladeracer » 26 Dec 2019, 3:20 pm

SCJ429 wrote:I think they may only have 38 MOA adjustment so using some added cant would be required.


A canted rail though doesn't change how much range you have. 38MoA full travel would be able to zero back to 50m on the RPR's 30MoA rail, but you'd still only have 38MoA of adjustment, which I don't think would get out past 250m - I'd have to check the trajectory. I have my Ruger American Rimfire target set up with a 100m zero right at the bottom of the turret (using an adjustable mount), which puts it about 110mm high at 50m, so not suitable for hunting, but the 105MoA on my scope just covers the distance from 100m out to 500m with CCI Standard Velocity.
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Post by Member-Deleted » 26 Dec 2019, 3:34 pm

Man....

You are just beginning the world of painful head scratching that is selecting a scope.
I've just completed that rigmarole ;)

Scope choice is just that, choice! There are many choices you must make to get the scope you like... And for the price you want to pay. I was looking to buy an expensive scope... But then Santa came along and took all my money :roll: so I had to search all over again.

So now I'm in the same boat as you mate.
It's my first rifle & first scope. I just bought a new Lithgow LA101 in lefty.
I want to build mine as a target only all rounder that will do from 25m out to 2-300mif I liked and as accurate as possible, so pretty similar to what your saying.

This was my checklist...

*Magnification. Personally I can't see the point of only running a -9 or -12 power scope. With a higher mag it's there if needed and can be easily turned down to suit distance and target size when not.
*Quality. How long they have been around, where they are made. Is their glass any good. Do they have a lifetime warranty? Do a lot of research. Stick with the reputed stuff.
*FFP or SFP. Both are good for target depending on the reticle. It depends on what you like.
*Reticle. This was the painful part for me. I didn't want a reticle that was too busy with hold off stuff that in reality, as a target shooter, you shouldn't need. It would be really easy if different scopes came out with the same reticles, at least a standard 'plex' type, but they don't. I guarantee you that at some stage you will find a scope that's looking good only to find that the reticle is no bloody good for your needs.
*Adjustable Parallax. It is a must for target if your going to use it at different distances. I don't think it matters whether its side adjustment or AO really makes a difference. Look for ones that are 10y to ~
*Objective Lens Size. It's really just for gathering light so bigger lens = more light. From research, I don't think anything over 40mm is required for target. Unless you are going to be shooting at dawn or dusk that is. Nothing wrong with having it bigger... You can always sun shade it if things are too bright. Although bigger scope rings will be required and the scope will be further away from the barrel line the bigger you go.
*Eye Relief. It's only gonna be on your rimfire so it's not really a big issue. 3-4 inch will be heaps. What ever is comfortable.
*Mrad or MOA settings. Another personal choice. It can be looked at as metric vs imperial or inch vs cm.
*Turrets. A "target" or "tactical" scope will generally have exposed turrets for easy adjustments. Hunting scopes are usually capped. The most important thing that any target scope needs to do is repeat itself... ie. Always return to the same set/zero point everytime after it's been moved.
Turrets that are zero settable are good and zero stop are better again. Makes it easier to get back to your zero. (@50m or 100m or whatever it's set to)
For long distance .22 stuff you want to make sure it has a lot of elevation and windage adjustment too. I'd say at least 60moa of both.
*Main Tube Size. A bigger tube will generally give you more elevation and windage adjustment. Other than that it's just bragging rights :wtf: ;)



I have ended up ordering a Bushnell AR Optics 4.5-18x40 with the Wind Hold reticle. It's a compromise of course of features, quality and price but it ticked most of the boxes above, still came in under $500 and will go on my air rifle once I save my bickies motor a super good scope in the future.


...the above advise is from a noob to a noob and may be incorrect in places but this is what I have found after weeks of reading the web's, asking peeps and pestering staff at gun shops...
Feel free to correct me where needed :drinks:
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Re: What scope would you recommend?

Post by Oldbloke » 26 Dec 2019, 4:07 pm

Most bushnell scopes now also come with a lifetime warranty

https://www.bushnell.com/warranty/
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Post by bladeracer » 26 Dec 2019, 4:20 pm

Denno wrote:I have ended up ordering a Bushnell AR Optics 4.5-18x40 with the Wind Hold reticle. It's a compromise of course of features, quality and price but it ticked most of the boxes above, still came in under $500 and will go on my air rifle once I save my bickies motor a super good scope in the future.


That would be, and is, my choice as well, but what is the Wind Hold reticle?
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Post by sungazer » 26 Dec 2019, 4:33 pm

I think if you check your trajectory it will be about 47MOA from a 50 yrd 0 to 300 yrd. about double the drop a 308 would have from a 100yrd zero out to 1000 yrds.
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Post by Member-Deleted » 26 Dec 2019, 4:58 pm

bladeracer wrote:
That would be, and is, my choice as well, but what is the Wind Hold reticle?


Correct mate. It's one of the reasons I brought it. :thumbsup:
They really do tick most boxes for a target scope for a noobie target shooter.


The windhold reticle is pretty simple with windage marks. Thought it might be handy. I don't really want a dropzone or btr type ones that are available so went with that.
If you google the Bushnell Tactical catalogue it shows it in there.

I was tossing up on a few different ones... Hope it's as good as it's supposed to be.
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Post by SCJ429 » 26 Dec 2019, 5:01 pm

Denno wrote:*
For long distance .22 stuff you want to make sure it has a lot of elevation and windage adjustment too. I'd say at least 60moa of both.
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I have ended up ordering a Bushnell AR Optics 4.5-18x40 with the Wind Hold reticle. It's a compromise of course of features, quality and price but it ticked most of the boxes above, still came in under $500 and will go on my air rifle once I save my bickies :


What sort of conditions are you shooting in where you need 30MOA of windage?

After all your talk about FFP you bought a SFP Bushnell. Will your next scopes retical be in the first focal plane?
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Post by bladeracer » 26 Dec 2019, 5:05 pm

Denno wrote:[quote="bladeracer"

That would be, and is, my choice as well, but what is the Wind Hold reticle?[/quote

Correct mate. It's one of the reasons I brought it. :thumbsup:
They really do tick most boxes for a target scope for a noobie target shooter.


The windhold reticle is pretty simple with windage marks. Thought it might be handy. I don't really want a dropzone or btr type ones that are available so went with that.
If you google the Bushnell Tactical catalogue it shows it in there.

I was tossing up on a few different ones... Hope it's as good as it's supposed to be.


I put "wind hold" into their website search engine got nothing at all.
But that Google search did find it.
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Post by Member-Deleted » 26 Dec 2019, 5:27 pm

SCJ429 wrote:
What sort of conditions are you shooting in where you need 30MOA of windage?

After all your talk about FFP you bought a SFP Bushnell. Will your next scopes retical be in the first focal plane?


I have no idea why you would need that much elevation. I found in my research that that amount would be plenty for target shooting.

And yes my next scope will more than likely be FFP because "after all my talk about FFP" I think I like it.

Sorry if I have gone contrary to your expert opinion but nothing you have said is really relevant to my cause. But thanks for trying. :thumbsup:

Besides, it's rather difficult to buy a decent scope for under $400 with FFP.
The Nikko Sterling 6-24x50 in FFP came in as a close second but was pipped by reputation.
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