Nightforce SHV vs Leppy ?

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Nightforce SHV vs Leppy ?

Post by TassieTiger » 25 Apr 2020, 3:05 pm

Kicking around an upgrade from a vx2 6-18.
Rifle would be used for hunting at distance, paper punching - not a lot of close / spot light work.

Narrowed it down to the following;
Leupold Vx3 6.5-20 / 50
Nightforce SHV 5-20 / 56

What would you prefer and why? Others ?
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Post by rossfrb » 25 Apr 2020, 9:42 pm

So is this for the 223?
What are you finding deficient with the current scope is it just magnification?
For night time work the x 56 might be attractive but what % use will that likely be?
Have you looked through both scopes you listed?
Advice - never look through a scope you can't afford!!
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Post by TassieTiger » 25 Apr 2020, 9:56 pm

Yes - predominantly on 223. Nothing wrong with vx2 , but I need a better scope on one of my .22 and I think a vx2 would work well on it, so just a chance to upgrade.
Haven’t looked through a SHV - wondering if anyone has both and side by side - which scope has better clarity. I have a couple vx3’s - wry happy with clarity but always wanting to expand my experiences...So if a SHV is considered at least equal in glass then I’ll further consider.
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Re: Nightforce SHV vs Leppy ?

Post by SCJ429 » 26 Apr 2020, 9:17 am

I have a Leupold VX3 in 6.5 to 20 and used a Friends SHV. I would say the Nightforce has better glass and I prefer the target knobs on it as well. If he offered to swap for my Leupold I would not be able to get the scope off my rifle quick enough. That is not to say that I have been disappointed with my scope.
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Re: Nightforce SHV vs Leppy ?

Post by juano86 » 27 Apr 2020, 10:52 am

Take a look at a Sightron S3 6-24x50 have one on my target rifle and they are exceptional glass for the money. track awesomely and lifetime warranty. Cant fault them. and they are SHV money.
https://www.nvt.com.au/p/2708/sightron- ... 25127.html
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Post by TassieTiger » 28 Apr 2020, 2:37 pm

Interestingly - went into LF shop today and all Leo’s are now 20% OVER book price...the scope I was looking at was book price $1800 and “ordered” price of $2200...which placed it close enough to next level glass...so, based on some other comments, not being able to view a nightforce locally, other price Factors, and looking at options - ended up with a swarkovski Z5. Funny how you start off with a budget and then...
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Post by Harrynsw » 28 Apr 2020, 3:11 pm

TassieTiger wrote:Interestingly - went into LF shop today and all Leo’s are now 20% OVER book price...the scope I was looking at was book price $1800 and “ordered” price of $2200...which placed it close enough to next level glass...so, based on some other comments, not being able to view a nightforce locally, other price Factors, and looking at options - ended up with a swarkovski Z5. Funny how you start off with a budget and then...

What's the swarovski warranty like?
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Re: Nightforce SHV vs Leppy ?

Post by TassieTiger » 28 Apr 2020, 3:22 pm

10 years, full cover - not as good as either NF or Leo but I think in 10 years, my tired eyes might be looking for something very different lol. To be honest - I’m not ever impulsive but today...something was different lol.
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Post by rossfrb » 28 Apr 2020, 3:40 pm

So I'm guessing the Z5 5-25×52?
What are your impressions of the swaro vs leupold clarity at high mag, edge to edge view, eye relief?
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Post by TassieTiger » 28 Apr 2020, 4:00 pm

Early days Ross - mine doesn’t turn up until later in week. I bought locally to help shops - could have saved a bit from mainland but locals doing it tough.
Yes - I’ve gone the 5-25/52.
They had one mounted on a customers firearm that they let me look at but from what I have seen today, and almost to my diss appointment lol - the swarv has better clarity than Leo. How much ? I would need to have mounted next to each other and move back and forth - and that I guess, says something...I’ve ALWAYS rated vx3 and Mark 4 glass - they are my predominant go to scopes.
Thing that got me with swarv was the crispness in the shadows - edge to edge was...yeah, amazing. If you’ve ever destilled or seen 95% alcohol- you kind of cannot believe that a liquid can be so pure, well - this glass looked like that.
Weird thing was, on max mag, it was easier to find a full scope picture than the vx3 - despite being 5x higher but that could have been the fact the D5 was mounted and Leo was not.
A while back, I asked a few members on here, what’s the clearest glass they Themselves have viewed and many said Swarovski. I was hoping it wasn’t true lol...but it is. My wife is going to rip me a new one.
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Re: Nightforce SHV vs Leppy ?

Post by Stix » 28 Apr 2020, 4:19 pm

Ner-ner-na-ner nerr...told ya so...!!... :lol:

Oh wait up...im laughing at you, but im the one who doesnt have one... :roll: :oops:

:lol:

You will really notice it if you snipe bunnies at 300 that like to hide in the shadows while waiting for the daylight to disappear... :thumbsup:

Im sure the Z5 wont be of good enough quality for such a fine example of a Tasmanian man...So when you upgrade to the Z6, feel free to toss it over to this peasant... :mrgreen:
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Re: Nightforce SHV vs Leppy ?

Post by poid » 28 Apr 2020, 4:46 pm

yep Swaro is still the best glass I've seen, have a Z3 for the hunting rifle and it's perfect for that.

Z6 is for peasants, you want the Z8 for sure...
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Post by Harrynsw » 28 Apr 2020, 4:53 pm

Is the glass all the same in the Z series?
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Re: Nightforce SHV vs Leppy ?

Post by SCJ429 » 28 Apr 2020, 5:19 pm

You got yourself a very nice scope there Tassie, funny how you get budget creep.

For $2300 odd you can move up to the NXS 32x.

https://www.thebarn.net.au/Products/Nig ... 56mm/13710
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Post by Stix » 28 Apr 2020, 5:26 pm

poid wrote:yep Swaro is still the best glass I've seen, have a Z3 for the hunting rifle and it's perfect for that.

Z6 is for peasants, you want the Z8 for sure...


Hey...dont suggest a Z6 is for a peasant untill ive got his Z5... :P...
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Post by TassieTiger » 28 Apr 2020, 9:24 pm

SCJ429 wrote:You got yourself a very nice scope there Tassie, funny how you get budget creep.

For $2300 odd you can move up to the NXS 32x.

https://www.thebarn.net.au/Products/Nig ... 56mm/13710


SC, I Was not going to spend that coin if I couldn’t sight The exact one I wanted - and there isn’t a NF dealer in south of state. Regardless - it’s now on it’s way and I’m going to snuggle it for the first couple nights when it gets here.
The shop was so confident in this scope vs nightforce, they were going to get Z5 scope in From Melbourne and borrow two hunting rifles with NF on them for me to look at - giving me the option to pull out. I thought - if the two guys are that confident...don’t bother arranging the Borrowed NF scopes...(not sure exact models regardless - but they were basing claims on glass / clarity).

Yes Stix - your comments were ringing in my ears when I was being talked into this...I honestly wanted it to be a bit of a let down, you know the kind of talk -“ well it’s no better than the $1000 xxxxx”....so I didn’t have to put up with the wife bashing me - but I m learning...clarity is the be all and end all for the type of shooting I do...my 6500 elite bushnell has 32x SC and to be honest, it is too much for me personally When it’s on 32x...magnifying my inabilities - that scope is now on way to NIOA. Suspect parralax knob settings.
I’ve listened too a lot of ppls advice and watched plenty of videos now, I’m coming round Re clarity vs magnification - I don’t need 50x to shoot 1000...hopefully I’ve made correct decision.
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Re: Nightforce SHV vs Leppy ?

Post by Aliqua » 28 Apr 2020, 9:55 pm

SCJ429 wrote:You got yourself a very nice scope there Tassie, funny how you get budget creep.

For $2300 odd you can move up to the NXS 32x.

https://www.thebarn.net.au/Products/Nig ... 56mm/13710


I got the 8-32 nxs - its BRILLIANT. glass is super and still sharp in low light.
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Re: Nightforce SHV vs Leppy ?

Post by TassieTiger » 28 Apr 2020, 10:02 pm

What other scopes have you compared the glass / clarity to Aliqua?
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Post by Aliqua » 28 Apr 2020, 10:36 pm

I dont recall the exact model, but it was a leupold approximately the same price but didnt power out to 32x - i liked the clarity of what I was seeing through the nxs at full zoom and in the lower light (dusk). I think the 56mm had a lot to do with it. I'm sure there are comprehensive reviews on the difference. I just wanted the extra magnification.
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Re: Nightforce SHV vs Leppy ?

Post by TassieTiger » 04 May 2020, 8:57 pm

SCJ429 wrote:I have a Leupold VX3 in 6.5 to 20 and used a Friends SHV. I would say the Nightforce has better glass and I prefer the target knobs on it as well. If he offered to swap for my Leupold I would not be able to get the scope off my rifle quick enough. That is not to say that I have been disappointed with my scope.


Your a bastard SC. These words have been haunting me since I bought my Z5 and today, with work demanding I relocate for a couple of days, I’ve managed to look at a SHV and a NXS. I’m sending my wife to yours, she will be armed with a broom and a hockey stick and an invoice for a NF. Can’t say you didnt bring it on yourself.
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CZ455 .22 & Norinco .22 (vtex 4-12, bush 3-9)
ATA 686 U/O 12g & Baikal S/S 12g.
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Re: Nightforce SHV vs Leppy ?

Post by Stix » 04 May 2020, 9:18 pm

TassieTiger wrote:
SCJ429 wrote:I have a Leupold VX3 in 6.5 to 20 and used a Friends SHV. I would say the Nightforce has better glass and I prefer the target knobs on it as well. If he offered to swap for my Leupold I would not be able to get the scope off my rifle quick enough. That is not to say that I have been disappointed with my scope.


Your a bastard SC. These words have been haunting me since I bought my Z5 and today, with work demanding I relocate for a couple of days, I’ve managed to look at a SHV and a NXS. I’m sending my wife to yours, she will be armed with a broom and a hockey stick and an invoice for a NF. Can’t say you didnt bring it on yourself.


Seriously... :shock:

Are you saying NF NXS is better optics than Z5...?... :unknown: :huh: :problem:

Im tempted to say look again...but ive never compared them side by side... :unknown:
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Post by TassieTiger » 04 May 2020, 9:42 pm

Stix wrote:
TassieTiger wrote:
SCJ429 wrote:I have a Leupold VX3 in 6.5 to 20 and used a Friends SHV. I would say the Nightforce has better glass and I prefer the target knobs on it as well. If he offered to swap for my Leupold I would not be able to get the scope off my rifle quick enough. That is not to say that I have been disappointed with my scope.


Your a bastard SC. These words have been haunting me since I bought my Z5 and today, with work demanding I relocate for a couple of days, I’ve managed to look at a SHV and a NXS. I’m sending my wife to yours, she will be armed with a broom and a hockey stick and an invoice for a NF. Can’t say you didnt bring it on yourself.


Seriously... :shock:

Are you saying NF NXS is better optics than Z5...?... :unknown: :huh: :problem:

Im tempted to say look again...but ive never compared them side by side... :unknown:


Noooo...I’m saying the NF is better than the vx3. I’m still away at moment so cannot put side by side...with z5.
As per the start of this post - I got completely blind sided by the clarity of the Z5 / just blown away - so much so, I did something I NEVER do and bought it on the spot. Trust me when I say - I usually over research value until both my heads hurt but this was very much, something special and for once, I was in a position where I could buy without too many ramifications and yes - I recalled yours and others saying swamp ski was up there...
But - the Z5 is a perfect light weight hunting scope. And I planned on Re arranging my hunters to accomodate this z5 by moving on a vx2 - yes, lucky position to be in.

Now, with my work pushing me to work 300klms away, gave me a rare chance to also look at a NF, at the only dealer in the state and who knows how long before I could get back to same shop. With my bush elite 6500 at NIOA being fixed I knew I’d be looking for a more target orientated scope and again, a vx3 was my go to, works perfect for me, line of scopes... but again - the price increase meant other avenues needed to be at least, explored...and SC had me desperately wondering re NF. So looking via NF SHV 5.5-22 vs vx3 6.5-20 - the NF certainly picked up leaf edges in shadows better...and outright clarity appeared at that time of day (4.30pm) to favour NF. But, I kind of felt rushed at shop, so wasn’t messing to much with settings, but the NF sold me. Particularly with the MOAR and tiny illumination reticle in middle - as cross is quite fine.
So the missus car tyres can wait 6 months. The power bill can go into collection, my knee pain pills will have to be Panadol, the bank repayments? Ah, screw them lol. just need the local shop to now play ball with the moar illuminated reticle for same price as another shop and it will come home with me tomorrow. And yes - I’ll be keen to put z5 vs NF vs VX3 together, same day, same conditions...but I think I know deep down which will be no 1...
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Post by Stix » 05 May 2020, 12:14 am

TassieTiger wrote:And yes - I’ll be keen to put z5 vs NF vs VX3 together, same day, same conditions...but I think I know deep down which will be no 1...


It will be the NF...!!

Yes...!!...listen to me & just relax...mate... 8-)

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The NF will be far superior...


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What...???...!!...No...!!...the image hasnt changed to moving squares...!!... :? ...


And no...!!...youre NOT running backwards through a multi matrix tunnel...!!!


OH NO...!!... :o ...if it looks like squares moving away from you...the Swaro demon is overtaking the deepest depths of your being... :o :o...& you'll soon start to see evil scull in foggy-ness images with multi vision flashbacks of the last person the evil spirit consumed... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:



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Ill save you from the evil Swaro spirit demon Tassie..!!!

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.send that evil Swaro to me & find eternal love & protection in the NF...!!! 8-)

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Post by TassieTiger » 05 May 2020, 1:21 am

I prefer your picture with the latex and whips and you might have won me over with one of them lol but now my eyes are ruined looking at the pretty cool ghosty tattoo wannabe picture...
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CZ455 .22 & Norinco .22 (vtex 4-12, bush 3-9)
ATA 686 U/O 12g & Baikal S/S 12g.
Adler a110 reddot
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Post by poid » 05 May 2020, 7:35 am

I have shot my Z3 and a mate's NF at the range back to back...I wasn't looking to evaluate scopes at the time so didn't pay attention to which NF it was and there wasn't a huge difference between the two. That NF has taken game in a number of countries so no doubt it is a damn good scope overall, and I can see myself with an ATACR on a rifle in the (distant) future at some point.

That said after thinking lots about scopes recently I reckon we all get carried away with really small differences, these modern scopes are bloody brilliant. I reminded myself of this by looking through an older Nikko on a Howa I inherited. It's just like looking through a Swaro...if you put a bottle of water between the Swaro and it's target :D
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Post by TassieTiger » 05 May 2020, 3:44 pm

poid wrote:
That said after thinking lots about scopes recently I reckon we all get carried away with really small differences, these modern scopes are bloody brilliant. I reminded myself of this by looking through an older Nikko on a Howa I inherited. It's just like looking through a Swaro...if you put a bottle of water between the Swaro and it's target :D


From my learnings...I think there are small steps in difference between the $ range. Ie you might not notice much of a difference between $300 and $600 and you might not notice the slight but definitive improvements from Say $600-$1000 and it would be even harder to see the better glass between $1k and $1500 and well, your splitting hairs from $2k and up...but each step is a graduation and the difference between $300 and $2k is bloody significant - but that depends on what you want from a scope as well...if you want a basic “tool” to just do the job of knocking over a few ferals and nothing more - is there really anything to be gained by going higher end? I’d say...Not really...
Tikka .260 (Z5 5x25/52)
Steyr Pro Varmint .223 - VX 3
CZ455 .22 & Norinco .22 (vtex 4-12, bush 3-9)
ATA 686 U/O 12g & Baikal S/S 12g.
Adler a110 reddot
Sauer 30-06 - VX 3
Howa 300 win mag. SHV 5-20/56
Marlin SBL 45/70
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Re: Nightforce SHV vs Leppy ?

Post by SCJ429 » 05 May 2020, 8:16 pm

I also have a S&B PM2 which has fantastic glass but I think my NF scopes compare favourably. I also used a Khales 50x in competition before I purchased a NF Competition Series scope. Not knocking Khales which has premium glass, I prefer the NF glass.

I find I do not get the eye fatigue I experience with other budget glass like a 36x Weaver or Leupold.

Tassie, can your Mrs clean the windows when she pops over, mine has put that job on my to do list. And since she brought her broom.....
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Post by Harrynsw » 06 May 2020, 9:07 am

Stix that montage was hilarious
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Re: Nightforce SHV vs Leppy ?

Post by TassieTiger » 06 May 2020, 10:02 am

SCJ429 wrote:I also have a S&B PM2 which has fantastic glass but I think my NF scopes compare favourably. I also used a Khales 50x in competition before I purchased a NF Competition Series scope. Not knocking Khales which has premium glass, I prefer the NF glass.

I find I do not get the eye fatigue I experience with other budget glass like a 36x Weaver or Leupold.

Tassie, can your Mrs clean the windows when she pops over, mine has put that job on my to do list. And since she brought her broom.....


Interesting you touch on eye fatigue - those were the words I was looking for when looking via the Swarovski...as in, my eye seemed to relax...was very hard to describe but that’s the words.

Windows? Ha. Wife cleans windows, then 2 Akita’s come along and think - that’s a new taste, 10 mins later...looks like someone threw a freakin drool bubble.
Tikka .260 (Z5 5x25/52)
Steyr Pro Varmint .223 - VX 3
CZ455 .22 & Norinco .22 (vtex 4-12, bush 3-9)
ATA 686 U/O 12g & Baikal S/S 12g.
Adler a110 reddot
Sauer 30-06 - VX 3
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