Setting up new scopes level - MDT chassis ISSUE?

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Re: Setting up new scopes level - MDT chassis ISSUE?

Post by Larry » 05 Jun 2020, 9:54 am

I bought a Mesa Hi tube adaptor for a 7615 There is a spacer that needs to go between the rail and the action. It is the wrong size in height, the holes for the screws are in the wrong spot and the screws that screw it to the action are the wrong size. Then likewise the screws and hole placement is wrong for the rail to the spacer.
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Re: Setting up new scopes level - MDT chassis ISSUE?

Post by TassieTiger » 05 Jun 2020, 11:11 am

MDT sent me a new chassis 20/5 - and I’m thinking couple weeks...not realising they sent it from Canada. Lol. Bugger. Etc.

Brett - why the epoxy on scope rings ? My understanding of epoxy resins is that a sharp force will break the hard sealed resin regardless - so would that not become problematic after a few shots of larger recoiling rifles?
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Post by brett1868 » 05 Jun 2020, 1:31 pm

TassieTiger wrote:MDT sent me a new chassis 20/5 - and I’m thinking couple weeks...not realising they sent it from Canada. Lol. Bugger. Etc.

Brett - why the epoxy on scope rings ? My understanding of epoxy resins is that a sharp force will break the hard sealed resin regardless - so would that not become problematic after a few shots of larger recoiling rifles?


It acts similar to a bedding compound rather then a glue in this case with the joy of being easily removed with a little heat. Also, given that the rings are lapped the clamping force shouldn't allow any jolt along the scope tube in theory anyway. I also lapped the base of the rail to the receiver and epoxied it as well :)
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Re: Setting up new scopes level - MDT chassis ISSUE?

Post by TassieTiger » 05 Jun 2020, 2:09 pm

Cheers mate. Never thought orbit like that.
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Re: Setting up new scopes level - MDT chassis ISSUE?

Post by bcr83 » 16 Jun 2020, 7:34 pm

Rwd22 wrote:Are you able to pull the magazine out of the mag well without using the release latch? I run the full metal mags with my Howa and needed to trim the front edge of the mag for it to seat properly, it would insert into the mag well but I was able to pull it out without using the latch. I think the Poly/Metal mags are advertised as being suitable for the Howa action, but the others required modification from memory. Took me about 5 minutes with the metal mags, so if you needed to, it would be short work with the poly mags.


No definitely can't pull the poly mag out, the spring is strong and there is a nib on the poly mag that catches well. I want to run a metal mag but I've got 223 and they don't do aics mags that fit
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Re: Setting up new scopes level - MDT chassis ISSUE?

Post by TassieTiger » 24 Jun 2020, 1:30 pm

So, I’ve just called in sick from work and am now sitting at my letter box - my replacement MDT chassis is finally turning up today...will be very interesting to see if the chassis was the problem or it’s the recoil lug as they believed.

I’ve had a brand new nightforce, new trigger set up, crap load of 300wm reloads in .2 increments all ready to go, 6 weeks ago, when they agreed to send a new one...from Canada...

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Re: Setting up new scopes level - MDT chassis ISSUE?

Post by TassieTiger » 24 Jun 2020, 1:31 pm

So, I’ve just called in sick from work and am now sitting at my letter box - my replacement MDT chassis is finally turning up today...will be very interesting to see if the chassis was the problem or it’s the recoil lug as they believed.

I’ve had a brand new nightforce, new trigger set up, crap load of 300wm reloads in .2 increments all ready to go, 6 weeks ago, when they agreed to send a new one...from Canada...

Bloody cold near this letter box :violin:
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Re: Setting up new scopes level - MDT chassis ISSUE?

Post by marksman » 24 Jun 2020, 2:59 pm

was wondering why you were doing the night shift last night Tassie ;)

ccp covid maybe :wtf:
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Re: Setting up new scopes level - MDT chassis ISSUE?

Post by TassieTiger » 24 Jun 2020, 8:49 pm

Working some big hours MM...shift work and half day shifts...sleep is hard to come by of late, but it lets me stay on top of Bulldust corner in here lol :allegedly:

So, the replacement MDT chassis turned up and....it’s better, the barrel alignment is ok but I ended up shimming it to get it perfect. Then there’s the hand grip area that looks like a baby has glued it in off centre...and some general figment is just bad - large gaps one side, snug and tight on other...the photos kinda show it, but if it was a local arrangement - it would go back.

2 pics show barrel alignment before and after shimming.
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Unfortunately - This will be my last MDT product, which is a shame as I know others have been very happy with theirs and I like the look / function. But - precision ? Not even close...for the money - there has to be better quality control.
Pic 3 and 4 shows handle on chassis...
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Re: Setting up new scopes level - MDT chassis ISSUE?

Post by Stix » 24 Jun 2020, 8:56 pm

Wow...fuk that...send it back & ask (firmly) for a refund...!!

If its a replacement & they didnt check it for having issues, it reflects the attitude they have toward the people who buy the products...kinda the thing i was alluding to in the cheap scope thread...

Id call em, pack it back up & get them to arrange collection, & buy a different brand...I know it'd be a pain, but fuk em...!!!

Thats really poor i rekon...

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Re: Setting up new scopes level - MDT chassis ISSUE?

Post by marksman » 24 Jun 2020, 9:44 pm

l dont have any background knowledge of chassis systems at all Tassie but how do you think it would go if it were devconed
TBH it is still just a stock and if you can shim it you should be able to bed it to make it right
like you l would not be happy with the product especially after MDT's reasons for not having to bed the chassis, it does not live up to what it should
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l52cNoM-3rY

here is a couple of vids not really showing much but may get you thinking about a solution mate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AXMnBg4tyY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GaJYjpBzOo
l know how much you want this system to work :drinks:

just found this although l cant understand the guy, l think he sounds like he's had a few :lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJehrM_zf40&vl=en
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Re: Setting up new scopes level - MDT chassis ISSUE?

Post by TassieTiger » 25 Jun 2020, 11:56 am

Thanks for replies. The box it came with has a signed card saying, your equipment supplied within, was packed and checked by .... signed Stacie - and she’s turned the ie into a smiley picture...indicating a younger age. Well Stacie - you can go jump ya little smiley face into the creek lol cause your QC should take priority over ya silly signature!

I’ll see how this new replacement chassis shoots - It “should” theoretically be ok, as a lot of the issues I’ve identified are cosmetic only but we will see.

If it doesn’t work out - then, I’ll be bedding it for sure - loctite will be name of game, as once bedded, she won’t be coming apart ever again.
Thanks for vids MM...the last one made perfect sense, perhaps you need 6 X makers marks before things line up and you can understand him ?
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Re: Setting up new scopes level - MDT chassis ISSUE?

Post by duddley75 » 25 Jun 2020, 12:08 pm

I was advised my new Howa with the MDT ESS chassis has arrived in my LGS. Just awaiting my PTA now. Hoping to pick up Saturday week , or the following week if the PTA in the mail is delayed.

TT you have given me a number of things I will be looking out for when I go to pick it up. That hand grip finish is so bad.
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Re: Setting up new scopes level - MDT chassis ISSUE?

Post by TassieTiger » 25 Jun 2020, 12:15 pm

Check it out closely d75 - your paying for a “precision” unit and deserve to get one. As I said - if mine was local - I’d take it back but I’ll try and make it work.

The other thing that has upset me with mdt - was that they initially replied with - “yeah - that’s a howa for you...” but when I pointed out the barrel sat straight in a houge stock - not theirs, they scrambled for an answer...if they had have even said “well, mistakes happen, let’s fix this”...I’d be a much happier, albeit slightly disillusioned ( Lol )customer.
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Re: Setting up new scopes level - MDT chassis ISSUE?

Post by duddley75 » 25 Jun 2020, 12:46 pm

TT, you may want to remind MDT what is on their website...


https://mdttac.com/ca_en/ess-chassis-system.html


No hassle returns and Satisfaction guaranteed.

Scroll down a bit as well as at the bottom of the page.
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Re: Setting up new scopes level - MDT chassis ISSUE?

Post by TassieTiger » 25 Jun 2020, 12:59 pm

It’s the 30 day part they they referenced back to me - my original purchase was well beyond 30 days...

The video that MM linked, see their Sales guy promoting the No hassle guarantee - but it’s a difficult one, given their based in Canada.

But - on their website, there is a feedback area...might stir some trouble on there lol.
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Re: Setting up new scopes level - MDT chassis ISSUE?

Post by Stix » 25 Jun 2020, 2:19 pm

TassieTiger wrote:It’s the 30 day part they they referenced back to me - my original purchase was well beyond 30 days...

The video that MM linked, see their Sales guy promoting the No hassle guarantee - but it’s a difficult one, given their based in Canada.

But - on their website, there is a feedback area...might stir some trouble on there lol.
Cheers.


Being honest is not stirring trouble mate...

Letting them know the quality controll at this end (given your replacement is seemingly as bad as the first) is nothing more representative of what they have at their end, isnt causing trouble.

Let them know youve posted the entire saga on large shooting based social media platform...if they are genuine about the product & their customers experience, they'll address the issues, & get more sales as a result...!!

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Post by TassieTiger » 25 Jun 2020, 3:42 pm

Ive left feedback on their forum and emailed their sales and support department - referencing this forum. I don’t think anything will come of it but your right Stix (they can’t fix what they don’t know).
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Post by TassieTiger » 25 Jun 2020, 4:09 pm

As I thought - my lowly rating On the ESS has now disappeared from the MDT site...
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Re: Setting up new scopes level - MDT chassis ISSUE?

Post by Stix » 25 Jun 2020, 4:35 pm

TassieTiger wrote:As I thought - my lowly rating On the ESS has now disappeared from the MDT site...


Thats just abhorrent...especially if they havent approached you personally...!!

Can you post a link to the site/forum...?
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Post by TassieTiger » 25 Jun 2020, 5:08 pm

Same has D posted up -
https://mdttac.com/ca_en/ess-chassis-system.html

I gave one star under the name TasTig.
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Post by Stix » 25 Jun 2020, 5:26 pm

Ah ok...ive never left a review...

How do you become a verified buyer...?...
Does that entail them seeing your receipt then deleting any bad review...?

We should all get on ther one after the other as they delete any negative reviews, all from different computers & post your story, over & over so enough people get to see it...fuk em...lol

If they are genuine about a good customer experience & stand by their product, they should accept the reviews & address them, rather than throw a blanket over the truth & block any transparency... :roll: :thumbsdown: ...
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Post by marksman » 25 Jun 2020, 5:29 pm

although MDT may only have 30 days warranty, in australia/tassie the consumer laws may be different and the seller may have to cop it :unknown:
l'm not sure but may be worth a look

l can see why you would want something like it and if all else fails l myself would bed it and make it work,
maybe do it and post it up to show how to fix the farker

l would not glue it and would use devcon aluminium to stop the problems with different metals, but that is what l would do :drinks:

in the vid l posted up with the guy who had been drinking french champagne l dont exactly like his methods, the recoil lug was not bedded and needs to be
your rifle is set up differently to what his action ect are and the method will be a bit different

l'm sure it will work out for you Tassie although it is disappointing :drinks:
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Post by TassieTiger » 26 Jun 2020, 11:24 am

Well - this is interesting...
MDT emailed me and I sent them photos.
12 hours later - they have profusely apologised and are taking pics to head office. They have received a copy of my original order and are re filling it and apparently, paying particular attention to QC and hand picking the items and pre fitting before sending. So, they aren’t only sending a new chassis, but also sending a new 18” enclosed foreend, a new foldable or skeleton buttstock(legality ? On foldable), a new foreend grip...I did t ask for this or anything - I just said, meh - not impressed with quality...so, this is quite a turn up...!
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Post by marksman » 26 Jun 2020, 12:11 pm

l'm glad they have responded to you, more because what you have started will have to get a fix for there QC for future buyers :thumbsup:

l would still bed the farker with devcon ali Tassie, l just could not help myself :lol:
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Post by duddley75 » 26 Jun 2020, 12:35 pm

TassieTiger wrote:Well - this is interesting...
MDT emailed me and I sent them photos.
12 hours later - they have profusely apologised and are taking pics to head office. They have received a copy of my original order and are re filling it and apparently, paying particular attention to QC and hand picking the items and pre fitting before sending. So, they aren’t only sending a new chassis, but also sending a new 18” enclosed foreend, a new foldable or skeleton buttstock(legality ? On foldable), a new foreend grip...I did t ask for this or anything - I just said, meh - not impressed with quality...so, this is quite a turn up...!



I don't agree with them deleting bad comments. They should be honest and learn from it and then provide a response.

At least they contacted you again. Pretty poor form of them having to do this again, third time lucky??

mmm foldable buttstock...alas illegal in NSW ....which also prevents me from getting a Ruger Precision Rifle :thumbsdown:
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Post by Stix » 26 Jun 2020, 12:40 pm

I have no doubt they have read my little outburst & suggestions of how poor customer attention will convey them in a less than ideal way, resulting in them acting as ive hinted they should...

And so you owe me because i am great...!!... :lol:

Just kidding...thats great news..!!.. :clap: ...not just for you Tassie, but also for them & future buyers...!!...

Bottom line is when/if it came time for me to buy my first chassis, based on your experience alone, it would NOT have been the same brand...but if they are genuine in their belief of their own product & hold the end users experience as one that should be valued, they go straight to the top the list for me... :thumbsup:

Hopefully you get it all very soon & it all comes together...well...straight forward... :lol: ...

Haha...get it....??...straig.,.,.ah never mind... :?

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Post by bladeracer » 26 Jun 2020, 4:45 pm

TassieTiger wrote:Well - this is interesting...
MDT emailed me and I sent them photos.
12 hours later - they have profusely apologised and are taking pics to head office. They have received a copy of my original order and are re filling it and apparently, paying particular attention to QC and hand picking the items and pre fitting before sending. So, they aren’t only sending a new chassis, but also sending a new 18” enclosed foreend, a new foldable or skeleton buttstock(legality ? On foldable), a new foreend grip...I did t ask for this or anything - I just said, meh - not impressed with quality...so, this is quite a turn up...!


If they ship a folding stock it will get stopped in Border Force until you have a B709, even if it's legal where you are. Confirm what they are sending, check with Border Force (send them the link to MDT's website showing the item), and apply for a B709 if they require it.

It looks like it would be okay in Tasmania.
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Re: Setting up new scopes level - MDT chassis ISSUE?

Post by TassieTiger » 27 Jun 2020, 8:24 am

Well - another development... Nothing will be getting stopped anywhere, as MDT have now reneged on their sending of entire system stating the issues are “predominantly” cosmetic.

They have apparently identified the hand grip issue - the counter sink on front Mounting hole was not deep enough - so if I would like to pull my rifle down for the 20th time, drill that hole out and put it bsck together, it should fix the hand grip. Then I pointed out the alignment issue with the chassis / fore end was more my concern - they couldn’t answer me as to how that occurred and said we are sending you that part only. But - they have test fitted that interface, so rub marks will be evident...
I give up. I’ll see how it shoots / bed it - if it’s no good, I’ll pack it up and send it back to MDT with a FU note lol. I kept the hogue stock - I’ll bed and stiffen that if need be.
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Re: Setting up new scopes level - MDT chassis ISSUE?

Post by marksman » 27 Jun 2020, 11:49 am

the biggest problem l could think of with the other photo you uploaded in a different post Tassie is that the fit would be made better by building up the gap area
to do this you will have to ali weld and will wreck the finish, if it were possible to file the touching side back it would be easier but the barrel still needs to be centered, l would not be drilling anything even though they have told you to
how could this get through there QC :wtf: l wonder where the castings are made :unknown: maybe mexico

this does not make the MDT company look anything more than money grabbing salesmen, premium price but cheapo quality
it shows you cannot believe advertising and a hell of a lot of reviews

now l think l would be looking into Australian consumer law :drinks:
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