Die Judicii wrote:Chances are that Leupold gear is now made in Mr Chinamans backyard.
That would explain a lot if what I suspect is correct.
Quality Control ????? What's that ????
yer they seem to have got away from remilns ehboingk wrote:As far as the quality and finish, I couldn't be happier with my Remington-Marlin 1895GBL. Bloody nice rifle.
With Leupold, yeah, not surprised. I think a lot of their bases and entry level gear is now Chinese.
pomemax wrote:yer they seem to have got away from remilns eh
I have a 336 30 /30 so i thought 45/70 why not have not fired it yet your 's have a preference for any type of ammo.
pomemax wrote:Last week I picked up a Marlin 1895 45/70 from Hpgs for a good price
I bought a Leupold Base (rifleman 1 Pc base )
When i was fitting the base the screws would not Tighten up the base was lose as everything looked right but it took 3 shims under the base to get even near to tight
Not happy at all so I ordered another Base from evil bay .
It arrived yesterday so I took the screws from the second base tried them in the first same lose as , ok removed the first base fitted the second with the second set of screws all as tight as .
Out with the verniers started measuring First rail was countersunk about 1.7 mm deeper in to the rail making the screws too long the countersunk part of the screw was hitting down on the top of the receiver . Same numbers on the packaging and same numbers stamped on the rail itself .
No ones seems to be doing quality control anymore . Just something to look out for now
When i was looking on the web at Marlins Manuals , I Noticed they were saying that Remington had gone into receivership and Ruger had bought them out so Marlin was now owned by Ruger when did all this happen.
InisBineest wrote:
I had just the same rifle and mount and it all lined up and tightened down just fine. Sounds like a QC issue, which is a pain. Chinese made gear is getting better, but you still get what you pay for. Cheap Chinese junk is still junk, more expensive Chinese gear seems to be better... But I'm noticing a theme with QC all around these days. A few big brands having some issues in that regard. That's the shame too, QC shouldn't need to be complicated or difficult to do well.
Die Judicii wrote:"QC shouldn't need to be complicated or difficult to do well"
Therein lies the difficulty,,
From what I can ascertain/deduce,,,,, so much of this "cheap chinese" crap is sourced from so many back yard industries in China, it's ridiculous. Say for instance,, you buy a Leupold branded and packaged piccatinny rail or base and rings.
a) the pic rail is made in one backyard
b) painted in another,
c) the screws are made in yet another (and usually of dubious quality metal/thread/diameter/and length)
d) the rings could be made in yet another,
Thus you have no uniformity at all let alone quality control.
Yet again,,,,, any one of these backyard industries for whatever reasoning can source their materials/ parts from differing other back yard industries
from one week or month to another.
End result = Cheap chinese junk, zero QC, zero referencing, zero accountability, and zero after sales service that really accounts for anything.
And, don't ever forget, they are getting richer every day just doing it
This is why when you order a lot of this stuff there is usually a notation attached saying that it may take several weeks for your order to reach a proper mailing service before your item even gets to Australia.
InisBineest wrote:True, although it is no secret that Leupold are only "Assembled in the USA", rather than made there. They have been using components from Asia for quite some time and tend to make a good scope from it.
And it is interesting. Once upon a time we used to scoff at the "Made in Japan" label. Now we deliberately seek it out as a mark of quality. They started poorly and cheaply, but now they are quite good. Think Toyota for example.
Wm.Traynor wrote:[quote="cleger"I] bought a pair of Leupold M70 bases several years ago, and they were out of line vertically. I called Leupold and they tried to blame FN/Winchester. Hmm.[/quote]
I too, have a M70 with a Leupold base. My base needed shimming at the rear. Bought the base on "Name-Reputation".[/quote]
cleger wrote:Wm.Traynor wrote:[quote="cleger"I] bought a pair of Leupold M70 bases several years ago, and they were out of line vertically. I called Leupold and they tried to blame FN/Winchester. Hmm.[/quote]
I too, have a M70 with a Leupold base. My base needed shimming at the rear. Bought the base on "Name-Reputation".[/quote][/quote]
Well, like I said, I think the bases can easily escape QC. I've bought two more Leupold scopes since then, and they're great. I'll buy another.
My M70 bases were the two-piece dovetail front & windage rear type. I lapped the daylights out of them and got them concentric, though I used a fair amount of vertical adjustment in the scope afterward. I think mine was high at the rear.[/quote]