Levelling my scope Part 2

[Wm.Traynor]

Have been having a second go at this because a couple of weekends ago at the range, I could not hit the pesky target after boresighting
For reasons or perhaps no reasons at all, the scope on Black Beauty was arranged as per the scope on my M70. That is, it was rotated clockwise from the usual orientation, with the windage adjustment becoming the elevation adjustment. It turned out that there was not enough range in the substitute elevation screw for me to even get on target. That, compounded with what I assume might be eye strain, made for a miserable day and I went home early.
Today, I righted the orientation of the scope and after boresighting on the most distant object I could sight at, I tried the method below....................

https://youtu.be/GiNyV6AK7kM?si=fU-j9ro8GcpThjrr

It is an awfully fiddly experience, juggling the Wheeler Scope Level, the picture through the scope and aligning the "target", in the bore. That is, same story as in the story 25/7/23 at 2:25 in this same forum, S,s and o.
Now I need to get to the range and the M70 will be coming too.
Then again, so will the blasted eye strain

[Oldbloke]

Have been having a second go at this because a couple of weekends ago at the range, I could not hit the pesky target after boresighting
For reasons or perhaps no reasons at all, the scope on Black Beauty was arranged as per the scope on my M70. That is, it was rotated clockwise from the usual orientation, with the windage adjustment becoming the elevation adjustment. It turned out that there was not enough range in the substitute elevation screw for me to even get on target. That, compounded with what I assume might be eye strain, made for a miserable day and I went home early.
Today, I righted the orientation of the scope and after boresighting on the most distant object I could sight at, I tried the method below....................

https://youtu.be/GiNyV6AK7kM?si=fU-j9ro8GcpThjrr

It is an awfully fiddly experience, juggling the Wheeler Scope Level, the picture through the scope and aligning the "target", in the bore. That is, same story as in the story 25/7/23 at 2:25 in this same forum, S,s and o.
Now I need to get to the range and the M70 will be coming too.
Then again, so will the blasted eye strain

Very nice Wm. Try this method.

https://youtu.be/dQnwBCXgdvA?si=HSyzOP8NO6jwkPs6

Oh, and this is another method you might like.

https://youtu.be/d3NIK-nsI2g?si=bK_yK12nuyGSjuWm

[in2anity]

Considering one can discard the first two, this is the formal scope leveling method I use:

https://youtu.be/fx2Z5ZD_Rbo

[Oldbloke]

Considering one can discard the first two, this is the formal scope leveling method I use:

https://youtu.be/fx2Z5ZD_Rbo

[Wm.Traynor]

Considering one can discard the first two, this is the formal scope leveling method I use:

https://youtu.be/fx2Z5ZD_Rbo

[Wm.Traynor]

Have been having a second go at this because a couple of weekends ago at the range, I could not hit the pesky target after boresighting
For reasons or perhaps no reasons at all, the scope on Black Beauty was arranged as per the scope on my M70. That is, it was rotated clockwise from the usual orientation, with the windage adjustment becoming the elevation adjustment. It turned out that there was not enough range in the substitute elevation screw for me to even get on target. That, compounded with what I assume might be eye strain, made for a miserable day and I went home early.
Today, I righted the orientation of the scope and after boresighting on the most distant object I could sight at, I tried the method below....................

https://youtu.be/GiNyV6AK7kM?si=fU-j9ro8GcpThjrr

It is an awfully fiddly experience, juggling the Wheeler Scope Level, the picture through the scope and aligning the "target", in the bore. That is, same story as in the story 25/7/23 at 2:25 in this same forum, S,s and o.
Now I need to get to the range and the M70 will be coming too.
Then again, so will the blasted eye strain

Very nice Wm. Try this method.

https://youtu.be/dQnwBCXgdvA?si=HSyzOP8NO6jwkPs6

Oh, and this is another method you might like.

https://youtu.be/d3NIK-nsI2g?si=bK_yK12nuyGSjuWm

Oldbloke,
Thank you very much for your contribution. Never would I have imagined being so impressed by your suggestion and it just goes to show me. In return, I would like to offer the following, completely irrelevant, very old favourite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hmo30e15Bzg

p.s. hope you haven't heard it before

[in2anity]

I only shoot scope now and again, but installing a new scope i just level by eye and the horizon, with my naturally presumed position (usually dictated by the bipod). As i said, under nraa comps you get sighters. Even at 1000yds and 1/4moa clicks, you can still correct into the bull from only one sighter. Once you're in, the scope functions just like it should. Same for any distance. Rarely will i begin outside the 3 ring.

[bladeracer]

I have never seen any value in having the reticle plumbed to the action, all that matters is that the reticle is vertical while you are shooting, even if it sits at 45-degrees to the action. I consider it more valuable to hold the rifle in a comfortable position, which might mean holding it canted one way or the other, thus putting your plumbed reticle out of plumb.

[in2anity]

Agreed Blade. Eventually, when I upgraded to a 22mm cooper I happened upon a bubble level inside my foresight. This was rather jarring because suddenly I realised I had a natural cant in my aim. Nonetheless, up until that point, I was still getting ok scores in both service and palma matches, being none the wiser. This highlights the fact that a cant alone is not necessarily the end of the world, so long as your cant is CONSISTENT. Consistency is the name of the game.

You can have bad technique, but so long as your bad technique is consistent, it can still be formed to work well enough.

I mused with peers around my cant that I had just discovered, and they pointed out there are actually some really amazing palma shooters who's self-perfected technique involved a natural cant. Not ideal, but it's not the be-all-and-end-all.

Moving past this point, I nevertheless desired a correction to this cant, which brings forth the importance of a rotatable/adjustable buttplate - in my case, i iterated on my buttplate setup until now when slung up, my natural point of aim sees the bubble fairly level. On each mound, only slight body adjustments to my NPA can correct the bubble, and thus any cant error.

TLDR: consistency, built through repitition, is more important than "tacticool" idealogy.

[Oldbloke]

Have been having a second go at this because a couple of weekends ago at the range, I could not hit the pesky target after boresighting
For reasons or perhaps no reasons at all, the scope on Black Beauty was arranged as per the scope on my M70. That is, it was rotated clockwise from the usual orientation, with the windage adjustment becoming the elevation adjustment. It turned out that there was not enough range in the substitute elevation screw for me to even get on target. That, compounded with what I assume might be eye strain, made for a miserable day and I went home early.
Today, I righted the orientation of the scope and after boresighting on the most distant object I could sight at, I tried the method below....................

https://youtu.be/GiNyV6AK7kM?si=fU-j9ro8GcpThjrr

It is an awfully fiddly experience, juggling the Wheeler Scope Level, the picture through the scope and aligning the "target", in the bore. That is, same story as in the story 25/7/23 at 2:25 in this same forum, S,s and o.
Now I need to get to the range and the M70 will be coming too.
Then again, so will the blasted eye strain

Very nice Wm. Try this method.

https://youtu.be/dQnwBCXgdvA?si=HSyzOP8NO6jwkPs6

Oh, and this is another method you might like.

https://youtu.be/d3NIK-nsI2g?si=bK_yK12nuyGSjuWm

Oldbloke,
Thank you very much for your contribution. Never would I have imagined being so impressed by your suggestion and it just goes to show me. In return, I would like to offer the following, completely irrelevant, very old favourite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hmo30e15Bzg

p.s. hope you haven't heard it before

Not bad Wm. Not one ive heard before. A full orchestra is hard to beat.

BTW, do you think you could now put up the right youtube link to your leveling method?

[Wm.Traynor]

Sorry Oldbloke, I had no idea

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJhWGxz ... x=9&t=127s

[Wm.Traynor]

Well; that seemed to work. here's hoping.

[Oldbloke]

Lol. I was having a bit of fun.

[JohnV]

You don't bore sight on a distant object it allows too much error . Bore sight at 50 meters .

[Wm.Traynor]

Lol. I was having a bit of fun.

Really? I would not have blamed you for going crook because I got an aria by a soprano, when I clicked on my first post

[JohnV]

For longer range shooting I prefer to make sure the reticle is vertical to the bore and action rather than the horizontal part be level with same . It's the elevation adjustments that you want to track nice and vertical up and down . I set the gun up horizontal with a machinists level and then bore sight in on a string on a plumbob hanging from the roof . Just move the windage adjustment over to get close to or on the string . Then go to the scope and swivel it in the mounts until the reticle is vertical against the string . Additionally you can check your elevation adjustments by shooting at a tall target and adjust up after each shot , See if you get a nice vertical line . Do it on a very calm day .

[Wm.Traynor]

Thank you JohnV