Ridiculous technology

[Die Judicii]

I just recently purchased my third thermal scope,,,,, only this time I have to deal with all the latest technology as in all the electronic sh!t.
My other two are both clipons so it's a breeze if I ever need to change the zero.

Yes,,,,,,, the manufacturers are bloody good at making everything sound EASY and simple,,,,,,, however I'm sure they make certain that at the end of the day the whole thing becomes confusion, frustration, and ultimately pure anger.

The manual which I downloaded and printed for the purpose of zeroing,, is incredibly complicated and refers you from one page to another, and then back to a different section several times,,,,,,,, whilst at the same time you have to remember which button to push and how many times, and which direction to twist another knob.
All the while you have only 15 seconds for each of the many steps or else it flicks you back to having to start the whole process over again.

Just to simply start the process of zeroing to completion,,,,, takes THREE A4 size sheets of printed paper with confusing and multi directional instructions.

So far I've had three different members of this forum try to get their head around it,,,, and they've all walked away shaking their head in disbelief.

As is ever increasingly common these days after sales support is virtually non existent,,,,,,, they were less than interested in helping,,,,,,,,, I mean, why should they ??? they got their $$$$$ for the sale, and now it's F@@K YOU JACK.

In the short time since making this purchase I've heard so many instances of the same problems.
I've also seen two ads for same and similar scopes for sale that openly stated the complexity and confusion was too great.

Who else on here is finding same/similar issues ? Cos this one is gonna take two people working in conjunction with each other just to zero it.

[deye243]

I very much appreciate my 2 hikmicro alpex 4K nv scopes they are child's play to sight in

[Billo]

All I can say is the more you play with thermals the easier it is to set them up.

I have a.Hik Micro thunder and find it easy to zero, what brand of thermal are we discussing here?

[Peter988]

What brand is it. I have no problem with mine.

[Wapiti]

If you keep having a drama getting this thing sorted mate, give me a hoy.
If you have the time to come out one day, with a bit of buggering around, we should be able to sort it out without any time constraints.
Text me the brand/model and I'll see if I can brush up on the details setting it up.

[on_one_wheel]

I HATE over complicated gadgets with multifunction buttons and non intuitive icons and menus that leave you in ever need of having a complicated instruction manual close at hand that in itself has you fumbling back and forth through tiny pages of microscopic print

I especially dislike having to download an app, synchronise my phone to be left with two lumps of junk to juggle.... WOFTAM

I go out of my way to ensure things I buy are as simple as possible to use, typically it means less BS features and hopefully one button to turn the thing on and off.

[Wapiti]

Yeah, me too.
I only have one clip-on, which I can swap via adaptors to the firearms I have most suited to the job I'm doing. They are simply a bayonet twist-on attachment process of literally a few seconds.
I purchased it because it doesn't need zeroing whatsoever, regardless of what firearm I swap it from. If the optic is zeroed, so is the device put on the end.
That way I can be completely familiar with a particular firearm during the day, then when it gets dark just pop on the thermal and nothing else changes.
I specifically went for this brand it because of this feature, and the fact it wasn't Chinese, but European made. Strange, because it didn't cost any more than comparable Chinese stuff which really, should be much cheaper than it is, but the consumer will just pay it seems and cop a punch in the face over and over.

Specific thermal scopes of course, won't and can't be like this and will need zeroing and I want no part of them. But my likes are not the same as others, fair enough.

But I get that there are heaps of brands out there, and the big names are mercilessly flogged in all advertising media, at way inflated prices. But just saying, "mine is great" doesn't really help does it.

[Bugman]

Yes. I hate overcomplicated gadgets, too. I am a simple man ( keep your comments to yourselves). The simpler the better.

[bladeracer]

Specific thermal scopes of course, won't and can't be like this and will need zeroing and I want no part of them. But my likes are not the same as others, fair enough.

I know a guy that uses a HikMicro thermal scope, it retains zero profiles for each of his rifles so he just has to tell it which rifle he's got it on and it sets that zero. Personally, if I were shooting at night for some reason I'd prefer a clip-on like the Pard, leave your scope zeroed and just mount the camera onto it.

[Die Judicii]

Yes gents, agreed.
My first two thermals are Pulsar clip ons,,,,, and are as others have said about clipons,, simple and reliable.

Although this latest "dedicated" thermal scope is, as far as clarity and zoom capability is concerned absolutely brilliant.
Just a matter of trying to get it zeroed which is the big head f#:ck.

The manufacturers need to realise that not everyone is born with all the latest technologies emblazoned in their brain,,,,, or thrive on complex and confusing instructions.
I am beginning to regret this purchase.

For those that wish to know what it is,,,,,,,, Infiray Tube TH50

edited to mention that the manual comprises of thirty six pages in all.

[bladeracer]

Yes gents, agreed.
My first two thermals are Pulsar clip ons,,,,, and are as others have said about clipons,, simple and reliable.

Although this latest "dedicated" thermal scope is, as far as clarity and zoom capability is concerned absolutely brilliant.
Just a matter of trying to get it zeroed which is the big head f#:ck.

The manufacturers need to realise that not everyone is born with all the latest technologies emblazoned in their brain,,,,, or thrive on complex and confusing instructions.
I am beginning to regret this purchase.

For those that wish to know what it is,,,,,,,, Infiray Tube TH50

edited to mention that the manual comprises of thirty six pages in all.

As long as it will retain whatever zero it has you could use an adjustable rail to zero it without getting into the digital adjustment at all.

[on_one_wheel]

I'm sure creating such complex, non user friendly settings and instructions takes some kind of twisted genius.
Iv actually thrown s**t in the bin because of that intense frustration... so relieving.

[Wyliecoyote]

I currently have 6 thermal scopes. All have a different zero format but all are similar. Your Tube has near identical set up to my RH50R which i find to be probably the quickest and simplest format after Pulsar. The real beef i have with all the brands is their WIFI. Easy to access but only so if and when when it decides to work. Pulsar are the best here but they had a few years of bugs and updates to get it sorted but I truly think none of the brands have got a complete handle on WIFI. When they perfect that then maybe one of the brands will finally come to the realisation that if you can record, change magnification, pallette, contrast, brightness reticle type and colour, why not zero using phone or tablet? I can change every parameter of the ballistic solution by phone on my RICO but not the zero. This is totally illogical.

[Billo]

One of the reasons I bought the Hik Micro TQ35 was its simplistic, 5 buttons on top that can be easily navigated at night, I found the Pulsars to annoying trying to press the right part of the pie esp with gloves on in winter.

I find dials to be even more annoying

[Blr243]

How cool would voice activated zero feature be ? Just say ….. at 100 m range move poi 38 mm to the right and 55 mm higher …… and then the scope replies ……consider it done brother

[Die Judicii]

How cool would voice activated zero feature be ? Just say ….. at 100 m range move poi 38 mm to the right and 55 mm higher …… and then the scope replies ……consider it done brother

Are you taking orders yet ?

[Die Judicii]

I currently have 6 thermal scopes. All have a different zero format but all are similar. Your Tube has near identical set up to my RH50R which i find to be probably the quickest and simplest format after Pulsar. The real beef i have with all the brands is their WIFI. Easy to access but only so if and when when it decides to work. Pulsar are the best here but they had a few years of bugs and updates to get it sorted but I truly think none of the brands have got a complete handle on WIFI. When they perfect that then maybe one of the brands will finally come to the realisation that if you can record, change magnification, pallette, contrast, brightness reticle type and colour, why not zero using phone or tablet? I can change every parameter of the ballistic solution by phone on my RICO but not the zero. This is totally illogical.

Wylie old Mate,,,,,,,,, if you've mastered yours to the point of being "quickest and simplest",,,,,,,,,, I'll buy you a carton to zero mine and show me.

How did you get around the 15 sec time out issue ?

[Wyliecoyote]

Die, i can assure there are many out there far better versed than me with modern tech. What i will say is once you are physically shown, and not put into a trance by all the written instructions, you will see it to be so straight forward you will kick yourself.
They are all basically the same.
Enter zero function and chose 1 of the multiple rifle profiles.
Enter the zeroing x y coordinates and begin the shift of the floating cursor to the bullet impact. Exit coordinates which then shifts the reticle to your bullet impact. This is where some differ, some have a long press on menu button to save coordinates and some like ATN and Conotech don't. Pulsar, Infiray and Night Tech require a long press to save coordinates. Atn and Conotech, the coordinates are what they are and read from zero X and zero Y from the factory centered reticle. Or put more simply, the centre of the OLED screen.

If you are confused, picture this. A centre dot on a blank sheet at 100 metres. Coordinates of that aiming dot would be 0 X and 0 Y. You aim at dot and hit 15 cm high and 10cm left at 100 metres. Most thermal scopes work in cm on base magnification so your new coordinates are +15 Y and -10 X for the reticle to move to dead on zero at a hundred metres. You may want a 4 cm high impact to get a better point blank so just imput +11 Y instead or similar dependent on cartridge.

[Wyliecoyote]

I just saw your bit about 15 second time limit. Once you enter the coordinate part of zeroing, that time limit does not apply. It resets time every time a up down left or right button is used. On Pulsar it is quite a long time before it resets to previous coordinates and out of menu. My Infiray Rico is same.

[Billo]

Great post Wyliecoyote

One thing i found early on was to make notes when you are changing the X and Y values, pretty easy to get frustrated and move in the wrong direction.

Its then easy to undo if you know where you started and then correct. I've got 3 profiles set up on my Hik Mirco and the return to zero is pretty good because of the rail clamp design.

[Blr243]

I had a look at those adjustable pic rails blade mentioned. I did not know they existed. There appears to be many different types. Not ideal but if the scope zero procedure proves too elusive might be an option. Is it going on a 308 by any chance ?

[Blr243]

I just had a look at an image of the scope. It’s a tube scope not like the old pulsar trail scopes I’m used to so not a pic rail thing. Although I did see adjustable two piece ring mount bases .. no idea how much rooting around it would be. I’m thinking it may just take a few more days if burring your head in the manual and repeatedly getting familiar with it so u can finally nut it out.

[Die Judicii]

Thanks to all,,,,
It's a case of three possibilities,
1) Keep trying until I manage to have some luck with it
2) Lose my cool and smash the bloody thing
3) Advertise and sell it.

Due to not being able to get out in the field for a while,,,,,, I'll have to wait and see what transpires. Maybe that'll help me cool down.

[Blr243]

I find it uncomfortable hunched over a rifle with it wanting to fall over as you are struggling with the menu and buttons. Take it off the rifle and sit in the comfort of your own lounge chair with the air con on and take all the time u need to nut out the system.

[Die Judicii]

I find it uncomfortable hunched over a rifle with it wanting to fall over as you are struggling with the menu and buttons. Take it off the rifle and sit in the comfort of your own lounge chair with the air con on and take all the time u need to nut out the system.

Well said Mate,,,,,,,,,,,

[Blr243]

Dj , what calibre are you putting this scope on ?

[Die Judicii]

I've put it (for now at least) on a 22/250.
Which leaves one 223 and a 308 to continue on using my Pulsars.

Why so ???

[Blr243]

I U were sticking it on a 308 and were worried about useing a ton of ammo getting it zeroed because of the silly system, I have a stack of 308 ammo I’ll ever use u can have it but see how u go with the 250

[Die Judicii]

I U were sticking it on a 308 and were worried about useing a ton of ammo getting it zeroed because of the silly system, I have a stack of 308 ammo I’ll ever use u can have it but see how u go with the 250

No worries,,,, Thanks Mate

[Fester]

I would prob end up spewing as I would spend heaps of time setting it up and putting in the profiles.
Use it once and then forget and have the whole fck around again as I don't use it regularly.

I hope changing to a different set up profile is easy.

I heard about them being hard to get your head around but once understood it is easy.