LPVO

[Shootermick]

I’ve got a 22 bolt action without a scope, and I’m thinking about buying a LPVO for it. It would be for pretty short range stuff, 25-30m and I’d like to keep the overall rifle nice and compact.
Most seem to be a 30mm tube.? And illuminated.?
Not sure if I need either of those features.?
Any suggestions?

[No1_49er]

Unless it's a very exclusive club which uses such a devise, may be you'd be good enough to enlighten the great unwashed and tell us what an LPVO is?

[on_one_wheel]

If it were me I'd drop the V from the acronym and put a fixed power on it, there's something refreshing about their simplicity.
Iv been running a fixed 6x for a very long time and still enjoying it

[scoot]

Features can be nice... gives the option to use it or not. If going the lpvo route consider sfp reticles. I bought a cheap one to try in ffp and found any subtensions are kind of useless until max power. At min the centre aiming point/circle is quite small. I realise now sfp would be much better. Generally if you're using holdover points you'd be at max magnification anyway in which case the mil/moa hash marks will be at their correct calibration. At min magnification the main "guts' of the reticle is still cleaner.

[scoot]

Also most have fixed parralax for centreline type ranges. Just something to be aware of.

[No1Mk3]

Unless it's a very exclusive club which uses such a devise, may be you'd be good enough to enlighten the great unwashed and tell us what an LPVO is?

It's an acronym to describe a variable power telescopic sight at the lower magnification range, typically those used in rimfire and big game rifles over the last 80+ years or so such as 1-6x24. L-ow P-ower V-ariable O-ptic.

[bladeracer]

If it were me I'd drop the V from the acronym and put a fixed power on it, there's something refreshing about their simplicity.
Iv been running a fixed 6x for a very long time and still enjoying it

6-power isn't low-power though, it's a lot of magnification for chasing small fast targets at close range. It can work, but it takes a lot of practice to use it well.

[No1_49er]

Unless it's a very exclusive club which uses such a devise, may be you'd be good enough to enlighten the great unwashed and tell us what an LPVO is?

It's an acronym to describe a variable power telescopic sight at the lower magnification range, typically those used in rimfire and big game rifles over the last 80+ years or so such as 1-6x24. L-ow P-ower V-ariable O-ptic.

Thanks
49er

[animalpest]

LPVO
SSF
SFP
FMD

[bladeracer]

LPVO
SSF
SFP
FMD

SSF?

[animalpest]

LPVO
SSF
SFP
FMD

SSF?

[on_one_wheel]

If it were me I'd drop the V from the acronym and put a fixed power on it, there's something refreshing about their simplicity.
Iv been running a fixed 6x for a very long time and still enjoying it

6-power isn't low-power though, it's a lot of magnification for chasing small fast targets at close range. It can work, but it takes a lot of practice to use it well.

True ...
I did use a red dot for a while but didn't like it, was only a cheap Bushnell, it was crappy in low light, I wouldn't mind trying a nice holographic sight.

For now the 12 gauge suits me for close fast little critters that break cover and vanish within seconds

Edit; just checked out the prices of quality holographic sights ... ouch, they haven't come down in price

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[Wapiti]

I put one of those DeltaPoint Pro's on my 870 shotgun. Tiny little thing, doesn't stick up like most of the red dots that have tubes, and it's super fast. And wickedly tough.

But, for an LVPO on a 22LR, a 1-4 is an awesome choice. Don't be concerned too much about parallax on a 1-4x scope, the lower power in an optic you go, the more flexible the parallax range is inside the thing.
It's the people that think they need to put huge coke bottles on rimfires that get that consistency destroying issue if they don't spring for an adjustable parallax model.

For example, even in a higher magnification range LVPO, in this case my Swaro Z8i 1-8x on a 308 autoloader, it doesn't matter at what range or what power it's on, there simply is no detectable parallax whatsoever, at any range I use it at. And on a daily basis I's use it for shots on tiny targets up to 200m without an issue at all, but wound down to 1X and with the red reticle on, it's as fast as, and clearer in almost dark conditions, that ANY red dot.

A very good choice if you like an LVPO that is top quality for a great price and isn't made in Chinesium Land:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAxB1S8cCOA&t=30s

[Shootermick]

I put one of those DeltaPoint Pro's on my 870 shotgun. Tiny little thing, doesn't stick up like most of the red dots that have tubes, and it's super fast. And wickedly tough.

But, for an LVPO on a 22LR, a 1-4 is an awesome choice. Don't be concerned too much about parallax on a 1-4x scope, the lower power in an optic you go, the more flexible the parallax range is inside the thing.
It's the people that think they need to put huge coke bottles on rimfires that get that consistency destroying issue if they don't spring for an adjustable parallax model.

For example, even in a higher magnification range LVPO, in this case my Swaro Z8i 1-8x on a 308 autoloader, it doesn't matter at what range or what power it's on, there simply is no detectable parallax whatsoever, at any range I use it at. And on a daily basis I's use it for shots on tiny targets up to 200m without an issue at all, but wound down to 1X and with the red reticle on, it's as fast as, and clearer in almost dark conditions, that ANY red dot.

A very good choice if you like an LVPO that is top quality for a great price and isn't made in Chinesium Land:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAxB1S8cCOA&t=30s

I was thinking about this Leupold, maybe with the moa ring instead of the pig plex.
The Zerotech Vengeance 1-6x24 looks ok too, not sure if I’m a fan of its reticle though.

[flashman]

What

[flashman]

What dose SSF mean ??

[No1_49er]

What dose SSF mean ??

Don't worry too much about it, pal.
It's a bit like the "secret handshake society"; either you know what it is, or you really don't need to know
Acronyms - don't you just love them.

49er

[jezzab]

ACRONYM

A
Capitalised
Representation
Of
Names
You
Memorise


(Old IT joke, coz there are so many in the field)

[Oldbloke]

Can you still buy a fixed 4x or 2x ? 4x is pretty versatile.

[on_one_wheel]

ACRONYM

A
Capitalised
Representation
Of
Names
You
Memorise


(Old IT joke, coz there are so many in the field)

Iv always hated acronyms
They're born from pure laziness.

Or in other words
IAHA
TBFPL

I had to google LPVO
That acronym probably saved someone 3 seconds in writing but cost 50% of us a minute of google searching, data usage, demand on servers and accosted energy consumption
Acronyms are environmentally bad.

[Shootermick]

Can you still buy a fixed 4x or 2x ? 4x is pretty versatile.

Leupold do a 4x28, used to do a 2.5x20, but that one’s been discontinued.

[Fester]

I had NFI and CBF working it out.
A fixed 4 power would work for 22 hunting but I use mine at anything from 25-200yds so better with an AO knob that I can leave at 50 but dial when needed.

[Oldbloke]

Can you still buy a fixed 4x or 2x ? 4x is pretty versatile.

Leupold do a 4x28, used to do a 2.5x20, but that one’s been discontinued.

Sh1t, not cheap.

[Wapiti]

Unfortunately you get what you pay for.
People have a limit to what they can pay for gear of course. But in optics, the very thing you use to place that shot, there definitely are no free lunches. Adequacy yes for sure, and as they say, what you don't know won't worry you.

[mickb]

I think its a good idea. Have no useful suggestions though

[wanneroo]

I would say for any shooting under 100 meters and never looking to go beyond, I would go with a red or green dot with a 3x magnifier that you can flip back and forth as needed. I have an Eotech with a 3x magnifier and it works very well for such shooting. If you don't want the 3x magnification, you just flip it to the side.

Another option is to try a 3x or 5x fixed prism sight. These are about the size of a red dot.

[Wapiti]

Problem for many shooters/hunters is that conditions and ranges of any potential shot presented will change constantly and put a lot of emphasis on the optic on the firearm. An unsuitable one for the conditions will cause issues in getting on target on time.
Someone overlooking an area or valley "still hunting", can get away with a large magnification variable, where the restrictive field-of-view doesn't matter at all. They have plenty of time.
Someone hunting on foot in open to semi-open country, moving slowly and expertly, will love the flexibility of a 3-1/2-10x scope.
Someone patrolling their farm will usually always encounter feral or predatory animals moving from the noise of the machine being driven, so a fast acquisition LVPO is the best choice for this huge varying compromise.
A hunter stalking choked river country for pigs, walking around/over piles of flood rubbish and thorny bush, could make use of a red dot, and in good light, will not compromise anything at very close ranges.
But as it gets dark, the best time for hunting (as is at first light) that red dot is useless. That blob under that tree, what is it?
There is no brightening of the image by light transmission as the low-power scope provides.
That's when the LVPO with the decent glass makes that impossible-to-see scene bright like the day. A true "1x" lower magnification is identical to a red dot, but with the super bright clear image in poor light. And the ability to wind it up to 8x or 10x make it the most flexible choice for any field conditions.

[Oldbloke]

He bought a 2.5x20.

[Wapiti]

Awesome.

[Shootermick]

Thanks to a mate I did track down (or he did) a discontinued Leupold Ultralight fixed 2.5x20.
Haven’t had a chance to shoot it yet though.
CZ 457 22.

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