New scope time

[Squiddy]

Im digging up an old thread here, but I'm scope shopping and managed to confuse the crap out of myself (which isn't hard).

Looking at the Bushnell Elite Tactical 6-24x50mm BTR MIL illuminated.

Is the mil dot good for long distance shooting (500m-1000m and possibly beyond?), or should I go with the G2 reticle? The mil dot reticle comes in almost $300 cheaper....

Found a review of the BTR Mil which says the dot is impossible to see at long ranges (~1000m). Can anyone confirm? Or does anyone have a Bushnell Elite Tactical 6-24x50mm BTR MIL illuminated they use for long range targets?

[bluerob]

I've got the Elite Bushnell 6-24x50 & a 4.4-30x50 and whilst these are decent scopes, you can't compare the "vision" with a Schmidt & Bender. Its not a religious experience, but, I certainly see a difference. I am 100% target shooting only. Too broken to hunt anymore....

I'm in the same predicament as the OP and called on one of this forums gurus (in my opinion) for his opinion. Thanks if you're reading this!

I haven't looked through March or Nighforce as yet, but, the Schmidt scope that I currently have (good for 500m shoots I suppose, if you know what you're doing) has incredibly clear vision. Your eyes moisten... I'm serious. It's like a massive relief after looking through the Bushnell - yep, I understand the part about "you get what you pay for."

I struggle with the current scopes (just starting in F-Class) on my rifles and hence why I'm also confusing the crap out of myself too about getting "bigger scopes."

A few of the guys that I've spoken with who shoot F-Class primarily use March scopes.

I spent too many years using iron sights and handguns. I think I'll end up going with a Schmidt, but, who bloody knows. I'm still learning in this game. I do know that I'm not keen on having too much info in the scope view.

[Gamerancher]

So do these fella's not adjust the scope after it's sighted in? Just used the hold-over as marked on the reticle? Just askin"

[bluerob]

So do these fella's not adjust the scope after it's sighted in? Just used the hold-over as marked on the reticle? Just askin"

From my talking with F-Class shooters, some try hold over and others play with the dials - depends on the scope and the individual and their setup. I'm using a Caldwell Rock as a front rest and a no name bag beside guys whose front rest cost more than my rifle and scope. Absolute perfection I guess?

Because my eyes aren't like they once were, I can see a huge difference between my Elites and my current Schmidt scope. Like going from Commodore leather to Rolls Royce leather might be a good description?

Buying a Schmidt & Bender is my next and last purchase, for a while.....

[happyhunter]

Im digging up an old thread here, but I'm scope shopping and managed to confuse the crap out of myself (which isn't hard).

Looking at the Bushnell Elite Tactical 6-24x50mm BTR MIL illuminated.

Is the mil dot good for long distance shooting (500m-1000m and possibly beyond?), or should I go with the G2 reticle? The mil dot reticle comes in almost $300 cheaper....

Save your money and go mildot. You can also use them to accurately measure distance.

[MalleeFarmer]

Im digging up an old thread here, but I'm scope shopping and managed to confuse the crap out of myself (which isn't hard).

Looking at the Bushnell Elite Tactical 6-24x50mm BTR MIL illuminated.

Is the mil dot good for long distance shooting (500m-1000m and possibly beyond?), or should I go with the G2 reticle? The mil dot reticle comes in almost $300 cheaper....

I have a 6-24x50 G2 on a Howa .308 HB and I think it's an awesome scope for the money. I have just bought a new LRHS 4.5-18x44 with the G2H reticle which is a hunting version of the G2 reticle. Haven't mounted it on a rifle yet but it looks even clearer than my 6245FG.

[MalleeFarmer]

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[Gamerancher]

Pretty much any scope under $1000 is using Chinese glass, Leupold, Zeiss included. The high-end Euro brands still make their own lenses. Don't know about March and L/force. I've been to the Swarovski factory (2002), unbelievable what goes into those things. We watched the lense cleaning process, amazing. You can certainly see why the price is so high. They make Khales in the same factory. We got to try out some of their scopes in the onsite, underground 100m range with electronic target system, wow! They treated us to lunch, their canteen was like a fancy restaurant, maybe that gets added to the price as well.
Still wondering about those graduated reticles though. A 6.5/284 has a way different trajectory to say a .308W. What trajectory are they calibrated on?

[MalleeFarmer]

The Bushnell Elite scopes are made in Japan using Japanese Glass. Their cheaper scopes are made in China and the Philippines. They are still adequate for most hunting though. They are Mil and 1/2mil graduations or roughly (very roughly)10cm and 5cm respectively at 100m the finer ones on the edges and top of the G2 reticle are 1/10mil or the equivalent of a click on a mil based Scope.

[Gamerancher]

So the 2,4,6,...don't actually correlate to yards/metres, okay I get it. My hunting scopes are old school, fixed power, steel tubed Khales. Excellent glass, big cross-hairs and absolutely brilliant in low light. That comes from the Europeans doing a lot of moonlight shooting from tree-stands in the forests. My Target scopes are all vari-xIII Leupolds, not for the glass but their turrets/adjusting system seems to stand up best to the constant changes that silhouette shooting requires. 4 different distances up to 16 changes a day during a match. No sighters once the match starts, so you need repeatable settings. 3/8 target dot reticles are my choice.