Taking the skill out of shooting

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Taking the skill out of shooting

Post by Baldrick314 » 26 Nov 2013, 2:29 pm

I picked up the latest copy of Rifleshooter and in it there was a story about TrackingPoint guided firearm systems. This system is essentially a rangefinding scope that calculates bullet drop and holdover (nothing new there). Where it gets weird is the system allows you to tag a target and once the scope has worked out where you need to hold it won't let the trigger be pulled until the firearm is in the correct position. I can understand this technology for military use for engaging targets at extremely long range but it's also being marketed for sporting use. The fun in hunting/ target shooting is having the skills to do so, not having a computer do all the work for you.

This is the website for TrackingPoint: http://tracking-point.com/precision-guided-firearms
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Post by Lorgar » 26 Nov 2013, 2:37 pm

Fascinating technology, but dead boring to shoot I reckon.

Especially how you just hold the trigger and it fires when you move the reticle over the target.
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Post by Baldrick314 » 26 Nov 2013, 2:54 pm

Lorgar wrote:Fascinating technology, but dead boring to shoot I reckon.

Especially how you just hold the trigger and it fires when you move the reticle over the target.


Extremely boring. Plus if it just lets the trigger go I'd imagine you wouldn't exactly get a smooth trigger pull so I wonder if it compensates for that
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Re: Taking the skill out of shooting

Post by Kelix » 26 Nov 2013, 5:19 pm

Lorgar wrote:Especially how you just hold the trigger and it fires when you move the reticle over the target.


Don't even have to pull the trigger yourself :(
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Post by Noisydad » 27 Nov 2013, 4:34 am

Until you've cast your own bullets, made your own lube, loaded your own cartridges, had the trigger time to work out the most accurate loads and can use iron sights you don't know the "arte and fcience" of gunnery"!
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Re: Taking the skill out of shooting

Post by Guliver » 27 Nov 2013, 6:35 am

What about the bloke shooting pests for a living? Just because you don't perceive the need doesn't mean there isn't one.
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Post by Warrigul » 27 Nov 2013, 7:54 am

All technology moves on as time goes by, I remember fullbore shooters bagging out match rifle and F class as not being proper shooting.
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Post by butiwanna » 27 Nov 2013, 7:58 am

Guliver wrote:What about the bloke shooting pests for a living? Just because you don't perceive the need doesn't mean there isn't one.


He's probably a good enough shot that he does it faster than with the fancy tech :D
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Post by Blackened » 27 Nov 2013, 8:02 am

Guliver wrote:What about the bloke shooting pests for a living? Just because you don't perceive the need doesn't mean there isn't one.


Outside of military (which is obviously irrelevant for us here) that's a good point.

If you're getting paid on results and buying your own ammo, you don't want to miss much.
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Post by Baldrick314 » 27 Nov 2013, 8:46 am

butiwanna wrote:
Guliver wrote:What about the bloke shooting pests for a living? Just because you don't perceive the need doesn't mean there isn't one.


He's probably a good enough shot that he does it faster than with the fancy tech :D


This is my thought too. If you're doing it for a living you'd be good enough to hit what you're aiming for out to acceptable distances. I would think most pro shooters would only shoot at targets within a range that they knew they could hit, not bother trying to shoot pests a mile away. The only civilian use I can see for this is people who want to shoot at really long ranges without putting in the time to learn to do so.
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Re: Taking the skill out of shooting

Post by Warrigul » 27 Nov 2013, 9:08 am

Baldrick314 wrote:
butiwanna wrote:
Guliver wrote:What about the bloke shooting pests for a living? Just because you don't perceive the need doesn't mean there isn't one.


He's probably a good enough shot that he does it faster than with the fancy tech :D


This is my thought too. If you're doing it for a living you'd be good enough to hit what you're aiming for out to acceptable distances. I would think most pro shooters would only shoot at targets within a range that they knew they could hit, not bother trying to shoot pests a mile away. The only civilian use I can see for this is people who want to shoot at really long ranges without putting in the time to learn to do so.


You still need to be able to estimate down range wind, not just what is at the rifle.
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Post by Chickenhawk » 27 Nov 2013, 9:50 am

Baldrick314 wrote:The only civilian use I can see for this is people who want to shoot at really long ranges without putting in the time to learn to do so.


Haven't you read the news? The civilian "use" for this is to turn us all into super assassins.... :roll:
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Post by sarki » 27 Nov 2013, 10:02 am

And planes, don't forget about shooting down planes...
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Re: Taking the skill out of shooting

Post by Baldrick314 » 27 Nov 2013, 1:32 pm

Warrigul wrote:You still need to be able to estimate down range wind, not just what is at the rifle.


It doesn't compensate wind, just drop
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Post by Sakoh » 27 Nov 2013, 3:02 pm

Lorgar wrote:Fascinating technology, but dead boring to shoot I reckon.


Still be fun to give one a while I reckon.
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Post by Baldrick314 » 05 Oct 2014, 8:05 am

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Re: Taking the skill out of shooting

Post by Noisydad » 05 Oct 2014, 8:13 am

May as well be playing a video game - but then I reckon telescopic sights are for cheats that cant shoot! :-) The further we advance the further I want to go back!
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Post by Baldrick314 » 05 Oct 2014, 8:23 am

Noisydad wrote:May as well be playing a video game - but then I reckon telescopic sights are for cheats that cant shoot! :-) The further we advance the further I want to go back!


:lol: Yeah a video game is what I was thinking as well. Not a fan
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Re: Taking the skill out of shooting

Post by jeener » 05 Oct 2014, 9:27 am

Noisydad wrote:May as well be playing a video game


I shoot zero MOA in games. Pro.

No comment on real life MOA :lol:
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Post by MeccaOz » 05 Oct 2014, 12:42 pm

jeener wrote:I shoot zero MOA in games. Pro.

No comment on real life MOA :lol:


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Post by jubble » 05 Oct 2014, 1:07 pm

Noisydad wrote:The further we advance the further I want to go back!


You going back to throwing rocks soon? :D
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Post by Noisydad » 05 Oct 2014, 2:28 pm

jubble wrote:
Noisydad wrote:The further we advance the further I want to go back!


You going back to throwing rocks soon? :D

Well, um, sorta.....yes! I do actually have a 1/3 scale (working ) medieval trebuchet that stands 7ft high at the throwing arm's axle and throws 20cm concrete balls clear across the paddock. Must try and get the video of it onto Youtube.
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Re: Taking the skill out of shooting

Post by Lorgar » 06 Oct 2014, 1:34 pm

Noisydad wrote:Well, um, sorta.....yes! I do actually have a 1/3 scale (working ) medieval trebuchet that stands 7ft high at the throwing arm's axle and throws 20cm concrete balls clear across the paddock. Must try and get the video of it onto Youtube.


AND WHY DIDN'T YOU BRING THIS TO LITTLE RIVER?!
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Post by RDobber » 06 Oct 2014, 1:36 pm

7ft high?

Might as well have gone full scale :D
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Re: Taking the skill out of shooting

Post by Noisydad » 06 Oct 2014, 2:32 pm

Wouldn't fit on the benches! :-)
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Post by Monty » 06 Oct 2014, 3:09 pm

Noisydad wrote:Wouldn't fit on the benches! :-)


Car park, facing down range ;)
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