Checking Pistol for Accuracy?

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Checking Pistol for Accuracy?

Post by Boo » 09 Sep 2018, 8:54 am

Walther PPQ .22 and I spray bullets everywhere and I suspect the culprit is me but want to be sure because one bullet hit the target sideways, left a bullet profile shaped hole. So I'm thinking that the gun should be clamped to the range bench to test it properly but I don't want to buy a specialist clamp (if they are available) just to use once. Any suggestions?
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Post by No1Mk3 » 09 Sep 2018, 9:03 am

Ask around your club if anyone has a access to a Ransom Rest. If you prrchased the pistol new, ask the shop to have it test fired. Other, and easiest, method is to ask your club champion to fire the thing for you, this is how I found out my CZ 75 was a really good pistol, but I'm a crap shot! Cheers.
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Post by bladeracer » 09 Sep 2018, 9:15 am

Boo wrote:Walther PPQ .22 and I spray bullets everywhere and I suspect the culprit is me but want to be sure because one bullet hit the target sideways, left a bullet profile shaped hole. So I'm thinking that the gun should be clamped to the range bench to test it properly but I don't want to buy a specialist clamp (if they are available) just to use once. Any suggestions?


I would just shoot it rested over a bag.
Have a look at FortuneCokie45 on Youtube when he's shooting load development.
Or just get somebody else to see if he can shoot it any better than you can.
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Post by Boo » 09 Sep 2018, 2:34 pm

Thanks for the advice blokes. Any opinions as to which would be best for a .22 pistol?
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Post by LilTacker » 09 Sep 2018, 7:47 pm

As mentioned above, normally the best method is to use a "clamp-in" Ransom Rest, but that is really not possible in your case with a polymer frame.
Any rest will help to give you a fair idea, but as suggested just ask one of the best shot's in your club if they will have a go, most I have met are glad to help.
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Post by cflake » 09 Sep 2018, 8:44 pm

I had a revolver start to 'tumble' bullets and they were hitting the target sideways - as well as hitting the target next to mine it was that inaccurate.

Turns out, I was using uncoated lead projectiles and the lead fouled the barrel so the rifling wasn't putting any spin on the bullet. Once I gave it a really good clean - it took over an hour to remove all the lead - it worked much better!
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Post by No1_49er » 09 Sep 2018, 9:08 pm

cflake wrote:I had a revolver start to 'tumble' bullets and they were hitting the target sideways - as well as hitting the target next to mine it was that inaccurate.

Turns out, I was using uncoated lead projectiles and the lead fouled the barrel so the rifling wasn't putting any spin on the bullet. Once I gave it a really good clean - it took over an hour to remove all the lead - it worked much better!

Ummmm. I have a feeling that OP is referring specifically to a rimfire 22, in which case the ammo will be pre-lubed.
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Post by JSS » 09 Sep 2018, 10:25 pm

Boo wrote:Thanks for the advice blokes. Any opinions as to which would be best for a .22 pistol?


Ruger Mk IV Target is a great little pistol, after having a play with a mates one i'm thinking i need one in my safe, i like the SS threaded model myself. Check one out when you're there getting your rest.
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Post by Sarco » 09 Sep 2018, 11:03 pm

I have a Caldwell Pistollero pistol rest, if I remember rightly it was about $50 some years ago. It is nothing special but is OK to use and adjustable for elevation and also wrist/butt support allowing quite a stable hold with the base of the grip rested as well as the barrel.

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Post by Boo » 10 Sep 2018, 8:59 am

JSS wrote:Ruger Mk IV Target is a great little pistol, after having a play with a mates one i'm thinking i need one in my safe, i like the SS threaded model myself.


Coincidence :D That's the replacement I'm thinking of, the Target looks like it has fatter and less angled grips that the usual Ruger. I have big hands and so like fat grips, any further info would be brilliant.
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Post by JSS » 10 Sep 2018, 2:01 pm

I don't know a great deal more about it other than for me personally it feels good in hand and shoots really nice, i liked the trigger, the IV is a piece of cake to strip (unlike the earlier models). Until i played with it i had no interest in 22s, but now i want one.
Apparently the early mk IVs have had a recall which i think from memory was due to possible accidental discharge, but newer ones ( i think post july 2017) are all good.
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Post by spartan71 » 10 Sep 2018, 5:02 pm

I have one of those guns a PPQ M2 in 22LR. I replaced the sites as have others I know with the same gun. Where do you shoot?
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Post by vmaxaust » 14 Sep 2018, 6:15 am

Coincidence :D That's the replacement I'm thinking of, the Target looks like it has fatter and less angled grips that the usual Ruger. I have big hands and so like fat grips, any further info would be brilliant.[/quote]

I have a Ruger Hunter Mark 4. They are magnificent but need the Wilson Combat trigger kit (about $155.00). Takes a little patience to fit but most people can do it. Stock triggers are about 5-5 1/2lbs. With the trigger kit they are just over 3lbs and very, very accurate even with the Winchester 555 bulk ammo I use. The funny thing is I have a friend who has one of these and his ended up with the identical trigger kit having just under 2lbs pull. His was 4 1/2 lbs stock so there was a difference in mainspring tension I believe between two examples of the same gun.
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Post by Boo » 14 Sep 2018, 8:24 am

There are also kits from Volquartsen and Majestic Arms for the Mk IV, have not checked availability in AU but Brownells perhaps.
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Post by ob1 » 14 Sep 2018, 9:43 am

Re the original question: Tumbling bullets should not be happening. If the ammo is too slow the bullet can tumble, or if the barrel is too large for the projectile it can tumble. Lead rubbing off in a barrel can cause the same issue, but that is less likely with a new gun. Try several brands of ammo and see if the problem persists. If it does, take the pistol back to the shop.

Rest the barrel against something wrapped in soft cloth and shoot at a target about 5 metres away. If you can get the hits all in one place, move the target back 5 metres and repeat. Don't start sighting at 25 or 50 metres, start much closer to see what you are doing. When things are working to your satisfaction and you are confident of what you are doing you can go out to longer distances.
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Post by vmaxaust » 14 Sep 2018, 1:45 pm

Boo wrote:There are also kits from Volquartsen and Majestic Arms for the Mk IV, have not checked availability in AU but Brownells perhaps.



Sorry, you are right,it was a Volquartsen trigger kit for the Mark 4. I confused this with a Wilson spring kit I used for a Ruger SP101.
The Volquartsen kit together with a Volquartsen bolt makes those guns wonderful. Never seen a misfire even with cheap ammo using the Volq bolt.
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Post by spartan71 » 18 Sep 2018, 4:43 pm

This is an interesting thread as I have both the Walther PPQ m2 22LR, which is sold in Australia by Frontier Arms. Their after market support is horrible or it would be if it existed. I've been waiting on a new front sight for the PPQ for almost 12 months AND the Ruger Mark IV Target in stainless. It is a good gun, although the quality has fallen with ruger in recent years. Mine has been back for a warranty claim already and there are issues with magazines, extractors and the like that are too common.

The Volquartsen trigger kit and competition bold are great additions - but your shouldn't have to spend an extra $650 on a gun to get it to run properly.
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Post by vmaxaust » 18 Sep 2018, 6:30 pm

The Volquartsen trigger kit and competition bold are great additions - but your shouldn't have to spend an extra $650 on a gun to get it to run properly.[/quote]

You are right. However, in terms of quality finish the Ruger Hunter was excellent. Frankly, I have two Ruger Ranch rifles in 223 and 300Blackout. They are not fancy in terms of fine finish but they are deadly accurate and cycle as well as a Tikka Super Varmint I have. The Ruger American 22lr that I have is also a great rifle but in that instance the magazine well (wooden stock) was all wrong and I had to modify magazines to get it to cycle smoothly.
My other two Rugers are a GP100 38/357 which out of the box is perfect. The SP101 Ruger 38/357 is wonderful but needed the Wilson mainspring kit to remedy the way too heavy stock trigger. Not really a big deal.

When I compare my Rugers overall they are still value for money. The Ruger Hunter with Volq parts shoots as well as my other 22 pistol, a Smith and Wesson model 41 Performance Centre version which cost double the price of the Ruger with the Volq parts included.

Not defending Ruger, the 22 rifle was junk in the way it fed. Once fixed it's great but you shouldn't have to fix, upgrade or buy improvement parts to make the weapon do what it's suppose to from the factory but we are individuals who have different tastes. I have a friend who has an SP101 with stock 6lb trigger and he shoots it as well as I can shoot my GP100 which is deadly accurate with the right ammo load.
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