CZ or Beretta

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CZ or Beretta

Post by Rider888 » 21 Jul 2018, 2:47 pm

Looking at the 92FS Inox and the CZ75 SP-01 Shadow Duo Tone

Does anyone have both of these or have fired both of them that can offer some advice or happy for me to have a look at and perhaps even shoot?

I understand that they are both excellent for IPSC and Service Pistol which is a bonus but I like them for looks as well.

If you recommend the Shadow then the next question is this: Any advantage in going for a Shadow 2 over Shadow 1?

Any advice would be appreciated

Thanks
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Re: CZ or Beretta

Post by No1Mk3 » 21 Jul 2018, 3:19 pm

G'day Rider888,
They both feel quite different in the hand, you really need to ask at the range to have a feel, and if possible try a few shots. I have a 92FS Brigadier which I like the "heft" but cannot shoot well, consistently shooting low. I also have both CZ75 and CZ85, both of which I really like and shoot well with. For a start, visit a shop who has both and see how they feel in the hand, Cheers.
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Re: CZ or Beretta

Post by Wylie27 » 21 Jul 2018, 6:17 pm

Rider,

Shadow2 all the way

Beretta 92 is a fine pistol but lets be honest its a service aka military pistol and well it feels like one.

My nephew has one and while he loves it and wouldnt ditch it, he aaid shooting my shadow2 was much nicer.

Shadow 2 to me is just a little bit more refined over the sp-01.

But as with everything, its personal preference... in the words of a mexican child why not both???? :)
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Re: CZ or Beretta

Post by Rider888 » 21 Jul 2018, 6:41 pm

Wylie27 wrote:Rider,

Shadow2 all the way

Beretta 92 is a fine pistol but lets be honest its a service aka military pistol and well it feels like one.

My nephew has one and while he loves it and wouldnt ditch it, he aaid shooting my shadow2 was much nicer.

Shadow 2 to me is just a little bit more refined over the sp-01.

But as with everything, its personal preference... in the words of a mexican child why not both???? :)



I'd love to get both but cannot justify spending almost $3k. Will do some reading on the Shadow 2 vs 1 and then make an informed decision. However if cost aka the extra $500 is tight then I guess the Shadow 1 is still a good piece of kit?

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Re: CZ or Beretta

Post by Wylie27 » 21 Jul 2018, 7:15 pm

Shadow 1 is a good pistol no doubts about that

The shadow 2 is just an evolution.

If we ever get to the range at the same time then you are more than welcome to shoot the cz and the 686 revolver if your game :)
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Re: CZ or Beretta

Post by Rider888 » 21 Jul 2018, 7:48 pm

Wylie27 wrote:Shadow 1 is a good pistol no doubts about that

The shadow 2 is just an evolution.

If we ever get to the range at the same time then you are more than welcome to shoot the cz and the 686 revolver if your game :)


Sounds good thanks. When are you there next? Cheers
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Re: CZ or Beretta

Post by bigM » 21 Jul 2018, 9:46 pm

The Beretta is not suitable for IPSC and is rarely used in Service.

The CZ Shadow/Shadow 2 is widely used in IPSC including among top level shooters.
A Glock 17 would be more competitive than a Beretta but would not be my first choice.

I had a Shadow Duotone and now have a Shadow Australia.
Not sure that any new Shadow (original) are still available except maybe the odd Shadow Orange.

Shadow 2 are a good gun but I am not keen on the bevelled slide.
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Post by Grumpy » 21 Jul 2018, 10:15 pm

I own a Shadow 1 & have used a Shadow 2. I’m an average shot & didn’t notice any difference in accuracy between the two (it may be different if your a skilled marksman but I’m not). Shadow 2 is definitely heavier & narrower. I changed out the grips out on mine to VZ aggressive as I prefer more grip. This also made it easier for the Mrs to use as she has small hands. I think that if I owned a Shadow 2 I would also swap out the grips, but that’s just a personal thing.
I’ve put about 6000 round through it so far with 0 faults. I recently upgraded guide rod & springs, and gave it a bit of a polish up on a couple of areas. For some the extra dollars spent on a S2 may be warranted, but for me I’m happy with the S1.
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Re: CZ or Beretta

Post by Rider888 » 22 Jul 2018, 3:09 am

bigM wrote:The Beretta is not suitable for IPSC and is rarely used in Service.

The CZ Shadow/Shadow 2 is widely used in IPSC including among top level shooters.
A Glock 17 would be more competitive than a Beretta but would not be my first choice.

I had a Shadow Duotone and now have a Shadow Australia.
Not sure that any new Shadow (original) are still available except maybe the odd Shadow Orange.

Shadow 2 are a good gun but I am not keen on the bevelled slide.


Why are the shadow oranges almost double in price? Isn’t it just a different colour?
Also was there any difference between the Duo Tone and Australia model?
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Re: CZ or Beretta

Post by Rider888 » 22 Jul 2018, 3:10 am

Grumpy wrote:I own a Shadow 1 & have used a Shadow 2. I’m an average shot & didn’t notice any difference in accuracy between the two (it may be different if your a skilled marksman but I’m not). Shadow 2 is definitely heavier & narrower. I changed out the grips out on mine to VZ aggressive as I prefer more grip. This also made it easier for the Mrs to use as she has small hands. I think that if I owned a Shadow 2 I would also swap out the grips, but that’s just a personal thing.
I’ve put about 6000 round through it so far with 0 faults. I recently upgraded guide rod & springs, and gave it a bit of a polish up on a couple of areas. For some the extra dollars spent on a S2 may be warranted, but for me I’m happy with the S1.
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Thank you for this info.
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Re: CZ or Beretta

Post by bigM » 26 Jul 2018, 8:44 pm

Rider888 wrote:Why are the shadow oranges almost double in price? Isn’t it just a different colour?
Also was there any difference between the Duo Tone and Australia model?
Cheers

Shadow Orange should be about $2100 with 4 mags.
Shadow Australia about $1650
Shadow Duotone about $1300.

Shadow Orange and Shadow Australia have; competition hammer, beveled rear sight, 1mm f/o front sight, more precisely machined slide which is quite different inside to a standard shadow, chequered grips.
Shadow Orange is supposed to have more hand fitting. All Orange that I have handled were very tight and took a while to bed in.

Standard mods on a Shadow (or Shadow 2) are 13 lb main spring and 11 lb recoil spring and your choice of grips.
I am currently using Lok Grips palm swell bogies (http://lokgrips.com/gun-grips/cz-75/pal ... black-g10/).
I have medium hands with short fingers.
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Re: CZ or Beretta

Post by Rider888 » 27 Jul 2018, 7:54 am

bigM wrote:
Rider888 wrote:Why are the shadow oranges almost double in price? Isn’t it just a different colour?
Also was there any difference between the Duo Tone and Australia model?
Cheers

Shadow Orange should be about $2100 with 4 mags.
Shadow Australia about $1650
Shadow Duotone about $1300.

Shadow Orange and Shadow Australia have; competition hammer, beveled rear sight, 1mm f/o front sight, more precisely machined slide which is quite different inside to a standard shadow, chequered grips.
Shadow Orange is supposed to have more hand fitting. All Orange that I have handled were very tight and took a while to bed in.

Standard mods on a Shadow (or Shadow 2) are 13 lb main spring and 11 lb recoil spring and your choice of grips.
I am currently using Lok Grips palm swell bogies (http://lokgrips.com/gun-grips/cz-75/pal ... black-g10/).
I have medium hands with short fingers.



Spoke to PBA yesterday and they have advised that there are no Shadow 2's in stock at the moment so if a dealer has one, people should grab it as they wont come back in stock till 2019. Also if any dealer has a SP-01, aka Shadow 1, that will be the last of it as its no longer in production.
With that in mind, Im sure some serious price competition will be found as stores will be trying to clear out their SP-01s
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Re: CZ or Beretta

Post by Homer » 04 Aug 2018, 3:32 pm

G'Day Fella's,

Rider888, the best suggestion I can make is, try both of these pistols (and as many otherrs as possible) and see which one fits your hand the best.
Do this at a LGS, or at the range.
Hanguns are a lot like Shoes and Boots, you need to find one that fits you and is comfortable, before you will perform at your best.

FYI, in 38 years of continiously shooting IPSC, I may have seen just one person shooting a Beretta 92.
On the other hand, at the moment, various CZ models are the most popular pistol being used at my local range.......... there's a message in that!

Hope that helps

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Re: CZ or Beretta

Post by JSS » 04 Aug 2018, 5:37 pm

Homer is 100% right you need to try them both, guns are are personal preference thing and handguns even more so.
I have both the Beretta and the Shadow 2 so i don't have a bias because i own one & not the other. But I do have a strong preference, while the 92fs is a solid and reliable gun and imo there's nothing wrong with them, but for me there is absolutely no comparison between the two, The CZ just runs rings around the Beretta, i couldn't even tell you the last time the 92 came out of the safe. But again this is just one blokes opinion.
I know a few ranges up this way have bought shadow 2s as club guns, maybe have a ring around your area and see what guns the ranges have so you can actually shoot them, in my opinion how they feel in the shop and how they actually shoot can be very different too.
Goodluck.
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Re: CZ or Beretta

Post by Grumpy » 04 Aug 2018, 10:52 pm

JSS wrote:I know a few ranges up this way have bought shadow 2s as club guns, maybe have a ring around your area and see what guns the ranges have so you can actually shoot them, in my opinion how they feel in the shop and how they actually shoot be be very different too.
Goodluck.

This was my experience when I was trying to determine what to buy. There were a couple of pistols I’d tried that felt right to handle, but no matter what I did I just couldn’t achieve the consistent accuracy that I was getting with the club CZ. I suggest you try as many different types as you can.
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Re: CZ or Beretta

Post by zhuk » 17 Nov 2018, 9:16 pm

bigM wrote:The Beretta is not suitable for IPSC and is rarely used in Service.

The CZ Shadow/Shadow 2 is widely used in IPSC including among top level shooters.
A Glock 17 would be more competitive than a Beretta but would not be my first choice.

I had a Shadow Duotone and now have a Shadow Australia.
Not sure that any new Shadow (original) are still available except maybe the odd Shadow Orange.

Shadow 2 are a good gun but I am not keen on the bevelled slide.


Exactly. Look how many people actually shoot Berettas in competition..practically nobody.

The Shadow will outshoot you for the life of your shooting career...99.5% of IPSC Production can't be wrong lol
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Re: CZ or Beretta

Post by zhuk » 17 Nov 2018, 9:24 pm

Rider888 wrote:
bigM wrote:
Rider888 wrote:Why are the shadow oranges almost double in price? Isn’t it just a different colour?
Also was there any difference between the Duo Tone and Australia model?
Cheers

Shadow Orange should be about $2100 with 4 mags.
Shadow Australia about $1650
Shadow Duotone about $1300.

Shadow Orange and Shadow Australia have; competition hammer, beveled rear sight, 1mm f/o front sight, more precisely machined slide which is quite different inside to a standard shadow, chequered grips.
Shadow Orange is supposed to have more hand fitting. All Orange that I have handled were very tight and took a while to bed in.

Standard mods on a Shadow (or Shadow 2) are 13 lb main spring and 11 lb recoil spring and your choice of grips.
I am currently using Lok Grips palm swell bogies (http://lokgrips.com/gun-grips/cz-75/pal ... black-g10/).
I have medium hands with short fingers.



Spoke to PBA yesterday and they have advised that there are no Shadow 2's in stock at the moment so if a dealer has one, people should grab it as they wont come back in stock till 2019. Also if any dealer has a SP-01, aka Shadow 1, that will be the last of it as its no longer in production.
With that in mind, Im sure some serious price competition will be found as stores will be trying to clear out their SP-01s


I'm casually looking around for a Combat 85 atm, although they are long out of production Paul allegedy has them listed on pba so might have to run it by him. If I wasn't so stubborn about *not* shooting the gun that just about everyone does (ie Shadows) having been loyal to the Tupperware Nation for 8 years now lol I'd be looking at good condition secondhand models...there are quite a lot of SP01s out there right now.
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Re: CZ or Beretta

Post by thunderbird » 25 Jan 2019, 9:37 am

as a CZ shadow orange owner, definitely +1 vote for CZ.
92F was in my short list but CZ is way too good.
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