Pistol prices... and some advice

[cavok]

Shooting pistol is not about the pistol calibre, it's about the dare I say fun competition with friends, challenge of shooting a high calibre pistol fast and accurately. Mostly if you can't at 10 metres, (say 10m) fire of very accurately 4 shots in 1 second, try another sport. Many pistol competitions are shooting while you move, fast and with accuracy.

Those that can do, those that can't shoot .22

Brisbane has some excellent IPSC pistol clubs, fantastic people and great facilities. States run large and small matches, states run a state open yearly then each year in a different state we run the Australian open, bloody great fun, lots of people. Brisbane also has a great Western Action association, a must look see and try. Also ICORE and Bianchi Cup. Forget the rest.

[Guliver]

Shooting pistol is not about the pistol calibre, it's about the dare I say fun competition with friends, challenge of shooting a high calibre pistol fast and accurately. Mostly if you can't at 10 metres, (say 10m) fire of very accurately 4 shots in 1 second, try another sport.

Pistol shooting for me is about friends at the club, I'm too old and crook to shoot consistently, my hands shake if I take more than 10 seconds to acquire the target, I'm not competitive, I'm only shooting against my previous scores but there's no way I'm giving up.

Those that can do, those that can't shoot .22. Lol.

I have no idea why you'd put down .22 as a calibre it's just as valid as any other, I wonder why it's so popular if what you say is true, I guess the Olympic organizers have it all wrong.

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[cavok]

Shooting pistol is not about the pistol calibre, it's about the dare I say fun competition with friends, challenge of shooting a high calibre pistol fast and accurately. Mostly if you can't at 10 metres, (say 10m) fire of very accurately 4 shots in 1 second, try another sport.

Pistol shooting for me is about friends at the club, I'm too old and crook to shoot consistently, my hands shake if I take more than 10 seconds to acquire the target, I'm not competitive, I'm only shooting against my previous scores but there's no way I'm giving up.

Those that can do, those that can't shoot .22. Lol.

I have no idea why you'd put down .22 as a calibre it's just as valid as any other, I wonder why it's so popular if what you say is true, I guess the Olympic organizers have it all wrong.

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Sorry Guliver, I in most my response insert a LOL. I fully understand your situation, I do NOT put down shooting .22 calibre. What you shoot is legitimate, fun and extremely challenging and a good founding in shooting, all I say is in my post that it's not for me. I have issue not with you but associations that want our sport or shooting outlawed, removed, and over many years I have spoken with some hierarchy from dare I say, end, I wish not to say more.

All I say is that there are several divisions in shooting, ISSF and then some, all want to deny oxygen to others, to much division and stuff them.

Shoot well and have fun, that's what it's all about, forget what I write, just do it.

[Guliver]

Thanks for the clarification cavok. I just noticed the "Per ardua ad astra" in your sig, another EX RAAF fellow here.

I should add .22 is a really cheap caliber for new comers to the sport to get a taste of what its all about without selling the farm and going the whole reloading route which is really necessary if your going to shoot centre fire.

[brisb]

OK, this is how it presents...

Thanks for all that.

IPSC is sounding like what I'm looking for

Didn't realise .22 was not allowed, I need to brush up on all the rules for these things and learn more still.

[bluerob]

Pistol clubs; avoid the politics, buy a heap of reloading gear in whatever calibre you end up liking (if you shoot a lot), get dressed up (Western Action) if that's your thing, try IPSC if you like fast shooting and moving around (something I would love to do, but walking sticks get in the way) or any other of the shooting matches your club offers.

My best mate loves his .357 and knocking plates over (or scaring them with noise and they fall over) and will then happily shoot his .22 in a Rapid Fire match.

Bottom line - have fun and make heaps of friends who have a wealth of knowledge.

[Chronos]

Shooting pistol is not about the pistol calibre, it's about the dare I say fun competition with friends, challenge of shooting a high calibre pistol fast and accurately. Mostly if you can't at 10 metres, (say 10m) fire of very accurately 4 shots in 1 second, try another sport.

Pistol shooting for me is about friends at the club, I'm too old and crook to shoot consistently, my hands shake if I take more than 10 seconds to acquire the target, I'm not competitive, I'm only shooting against my previous scores but there's no way I'm giving up.

Those that can do, those that can't shoot .22. Lol.

I have no idea why you'd put down .22 as a calibre it's just as valid as any other, I wonder why it's so popular if what you say is true, I guess the Olympic organizers have it all wrong.

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It's the typical snobbery you see in some people. Pistol shooting is famous for it.

Usually people get sucked into buying what they think is the coolest pistol to shoot depending on what their club/mates shoot.

I'm yet to see an ipsc or cowboy shooter who can pick up an air pistol and shoot a decent group the first time.

First you must shoot accurately, then you can worry about shoiting fast.

I've seen self acclaimed pistol "experts" stand and lecture shooters about grip, stance and all the other tactical bs then they can't keep 6 rounds in the A scoring zone at
7m on an ipsc target.

Completely arse about IMHO

Chronos

[huccl]

get dressed up (Western Action) if that's your thing

Gotta say that 3 gun cowboy shoot looks like a barrel of fun.

Single action revolver, shotty and lever action rifle to finish I think?

I'm not much for running around but scooting around unloading that trio would be ripper.

And c'mon... You gotta wear the hat and leggings while doing it

[Guliver]

Gotta say that 3 gun cowboy shoot looks like a barrel of fun.

I could never stand fancy dress parties, having to dress up, I'll pass thanks.

[cavok]

It's the typical snobbery you see in some people. Pistol shooting is famous for it.

Usually people get sucked into buying what they think is the coolest pistol to shoot depending on what their club/mates shoot.

I'm yet to see an ipsc or cowboy shooter who can pick up an air pistol and shoot a decent group the first time.

First you must shoot accurately, then you can worry about shoiting fast.

I've seen self acclaimed pistol "experts" stand and lecture shooters about grip, stance and all the other tactical bs then they can't keep 6 rounds in the A scoring zone at
7m on an ipsc target.

Completely arse about IMHO

Chronos, sorry you get me all wrong, I do say shooting at clubs with friends is what it's all about. >22 is great for Olympic and Commonwealth games, some great shooters there 20 + years ago I was even invited etc. IT IS NOT FOR ME. .22 and .17 pistol is great, for those who want that, it's not for me, boring, I hold no bias, it's not for me, I wrote it a hundred times on many forums. The same as I can Glocks and Beretta and a who range of guns, not for me, I have owned every gun I rubbish, BUT, all of that is tongue in check and I think Guliver knows that.

I HAVE never seen a self proclaimed pistol shooter lecture any on GRIP< Stand, or other tactical BS, who could not put 6 rounds into an A zone IPSC target, 25 metres maybe, but 7 or 10 NEVER. Grip is ok, stance is no; no as we move and shoot mainly, speed is the essence, double taps required, I have no interest in A zones, speed is king. Actually there is more to it but you get my drift, I'm getting a bit worked up over some comments. See you on the range on day, and I care little of what pistols people use, even Glocks, and .22, and its all fun, till you shoot for sheep stations.

[scrolllock]

I HAVE never seen a self proclaimed pistol shooter lecture any on GRIP< Stand, or other tactical BS, who could not put 6 rounds into an A zone IPSC target, 25 metres maybe, but 7 or 10 NEVER.

Been to Little River? "Experts" galore there

[huccl]

I could never stand fancy dress parties, having to dress up, I'll pass thanks.

There is fancy dress, and then there is fancy dress with guns!

Different ball game

[cavok]

I HAVE never seen a self proclaimed pistol shooter lecture any on GRIP< Stand, or other tactical BS, who could not put 6 rounds into an A zone IPSC target, 25 metres maybe, but 7 or 10 NEVER.

Been to Little River? "Experts" galore there

So you were at the Christmas shoot at PPLA on Sunday? What squad? No experts at little river on Sunday, just a 127 competitors who wanted to shoot with friends, have fun and laugh. It was hot, humid and some fantastic stages, some shot well some not so well. I did not see one expert at the shoot, I did see a great number of talented shooters who shoot, NOT brag. DVC.

[cavok]

I'm looking for an expert on shooting to explain how they can miss an A zone on an IPSC target at 7 metres, must be someone?

Guess they use the Spray and Pray method?

The video was posted in another section, best ever posted here.

[inventurkey]

Video?

Link?

[cavok]

The best video on shooters we see:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g5p6b-ZZ5Y

Spray and Pray looks very cool, must be the guy who can't hi an A zone, but he look great.

[Chronos]

I'm looking for an expert on shooting to explain how they can miss an A zone on an IPSC target at 7 metres, must be someone?

Guess they use the Spray and Pray method?

Exactly. Too much listening to advice like "IPSC is all about speed, not accuracy"

It's impritant to develop basic accuracy skills BEFORE you concern yourself with speed.

If you're new to shooting IPSC or any of the other action style disciplines you should be trying to put every shop in the Alpha before you worry about trying to shave seconds of your time. If you continuously scoring Charlie's you'll be burning points regardless how fast you finish the course of fire.

Drills like variations on the bill drill are good for forcing you to maintain a sight picture on follow up shots and after reloading.

My comment was from personal experience where another shooter was shooting way too quickly to be accurate then blaming the gun and the reloads.

Both myself and another shooter then shot decent groups from his gun using his ammo. My point is valid, learn to shoot accurately, then worry about shooting fast

Chronos

[cavok]

Accuracy in IPSC shooting or any other shooting is what it is all about. Few shooting disciplines are time related, shots fired in the least possible time, as in Western Action and IPSC. Many shooting disciplines in pistol allow heaps of time to sight and shoot, no bonus for finishing before the time period is up, like Service Match.

Speed is one component factor in IPSC, Power, Speed and Acuracy are scored equally. That's the theory, speed however is still the major component to the best score on long and longer stages. Scoring zones are A, C, D. (B) on targets we are no longer allowed to shoot in Australia as the B Zone looked a part of a humanoid target.

All paper targets must be shot twice, (2 hits) or a penalty of 10 points per miss. The longest stage allowed is 32 shots. All good fun and lots of running. DVC.

[crys]

Too much listening to advice like "IPSC is all about speed, not accuracy"

Sounds like guys who want to look good more than shoot good.

[Tindog]

My Beretta 92A1 was $1150...

[cavok]

My Beretta 92A1 was $1150...

What discipline do you shoot with the Beretta? They have manufactured pistols for years, plenty of models. I had the 92fs. Great for going to the range and just letting loose.

[cavok]

Too much listening to advice like "IPSC is all about speed, not accuracy"

Sounds like guys who want to look good more than shoot good.

All the IPSC shooters I know care little for how they look, in fact even thinking about how others see you puts enormous pressure on a shooter. Focus in IPSC as in all disciplines, hence good shooters only focus on their task, the best and worst IPSC shooters shoot in a vacuum, totally unaware there is another soul around until they finish a stage. Without 100% focus a shooters goes to pieces. So looking good is worth nothing. Dare I say in all shooting disciplines this applies, hence those who focus shoot better. If I focus on how I look to others may as well listen to advice on a course of fire.

[Tindog]

Cavok just received it last week, as for discipline Im still in the practice mode, but IPSC is the way im going to go. had 40 rounds of Federal 115 and then went to reloads with ADI 30 at 3.3 and had about 80% failer to eject or rechamber.. apparently you need to run it in with abour 150 rounds of factory. ill see how it goes next time on the range.

[harlow]

Isn't failure to eject etc. due to powder charge being insufficient?