Low cost/round Factory 9mm?

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Re: Low cost/round Factory 9mm?

Post by PaladinAus » 05 Apr 2016, 4:56 pm

I can use FMJ at my range, and I've been having a great run with S&B 115g FMJ. Getting it $90/250 locally.

Went through a full 250 in a session last week, not a single failure of any kind.
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Re: Low cost/round Factory 9mm?

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 05 Apr 2016, 5:18 pm

I've used stacks of Highland (branded PPU) on chamberings from 223Rem to 375H&H, without a problem....not particularly 'dirty'....just good, clean, noisy and relatively cheap fun :thumbsup:
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Re: Low cost/round Factory 9mm?

Post by pomemax » 06 Apr 2016, 1:03 am

brett1868 wrote:
pomemax wrote:Lns ok when your shooting pistol St Ivies or St marys
hpgs sell 9mm 19.80 per box of 50 i use it when i did not reload $198 PER 500 not sure but think they may do cheaper per case.


Was the stuff from HPGS the recycled Winchester with black painted projectiles? I bought a box of that to try out and it shot dirty as hell. My approach now is to buy cases in 5kg lots from Once Fired and run them through the Dillon which makes a massive saving in both cost and time per round.

yes i tryed that stuff too range office at St Marysasked if i had loaded ammo with black powder by mistake
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Re: Low cost/round Factory 9mm?

Post by Ariat » 14 Apr 2016, 11:09 am

pomemax wrote:range office at St Marysasked if i had loaded ammo with black powder by mistake


Ha ha, quality
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Re: Low cost/round Factory 9mm?

Post by whitepointer » 23 Feb 2019, 4:07 am

Australia here. I have shot 1000+ rounds of winchester 124 fmj 9mm NATO and never had any issues. Gun is clean afterwards, I buy it for $187/500

Edit sorry looked at the box its not marked "NATO" instead its marked "Luger" in the same location.
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Re: Low cost/round Factory 9mm?

Post by Blr243 » 23 Feb 2019, 10:49 am

I bought some bulk 9 mm ammo yrs ago but the primer pockets had big problems when I tried to reload them...most of the cases could be reloaded once but never again. Some failed during the first attempt to reload.
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Re: Low cost/round Factory 9mm?

Post by Chinballs » 27 Feb 2019, 11:38 pm

The ammo below has been used on an indoor shooting gallery, as always your milage may vary. Cost is a big factor as the gallery uses thousands of rounds per week.

Federal Syntech: Currently use this as its lead free but it is pretty weak. If you don't hold your gun properly (limp wristing) it will definitley not cycle. This ammo does tumble fairly often out of the Glocks. Would not recommend it for licensed shooters doing matches.
Winchester Winclean: Pretty clean, shoots fine.
Winchester USA Forged: Absolutely filthy. Would never use again.
Winchester LRN: This stuff used to come loose in a white box and made here but is no longer available. Weak as piss, would barely cycle a slide. Useless.
PPU: FMJ is quite clean and shoots fine. Their LRN stuff is atrociously dirty and smoky though.
Magtech: Similar experience as the PPU stuff ie FMJ good, LRN is dirtier but not too bad.

Have tried Fiochi, S&B and Geco at different times when couldn't get enough of the other stuff through regular suppliers. All have been fine with Fiochi tending to be a little hotter than the rest.

Really, all the big brands are fine. I would buy a box of all the cheap stuff to try in your gun before buying one or two thousand rounds.

I know nobody asked but as far as .22 goes nothing beats CCI C35 standard velocity.
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Re: Low cost/round Factory 9mm?

Post by JSS » 28 Feb 2019, 7:14 am

Chinballs do you have a std barrel (polygonal rifling) in your glock? just wondering as you have problems with the syntech. It's all i use at the range & have probably shot about 10,000-15,000 rounds of it in both 115g and 124g through my shadow 2 and my glock (which has Zev barrel) and from memory i can only count 3 or 4 tumblers, 1 fail to fire, and both guns have never failed to cycle. Just curious....
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Re: Low cost/round Factory 9mm?

Post by Chinballs » 28 Feb 2019, 6:19 pm

JSS wrote:Chinballs do you have a std barrel (polygonal rifling) in your glock?


We use all stock standard firearms and factory ammo for liability issues. We also have a club and several members with factory Glock barrels have had the same issue with tumbling.

All the G17As are Gen 3. The Gen 4s play up due to the anchoring system we use to comply with shooting gallery legislation. The image below shows how the guns are attached to prevent people shooting themselves. The torsion on the rail attachment causes a lot more problems with the Gen 4 Glocks. We haven't used Gen 5. The Gen 3s will be available for the forseeable future as they are produced for the California market where later gen Glocks are not approved for sale (google California handgun roster if you haven't heard of it before).

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In my persoanl firearms (Glock 26 with Lone Wolf extended barrel and Para P18) I have been using cheap Browning FMJ stuff. Works out to be $15/50. The only thing is they come in boxes of 100 as opposed to 50.
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Post by JSS » 28 Feb 2019, 7:15 pm

Interesting setup in your photo, is that just for unlicensed shooters?
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Re: Low cost/round Factory 9mm?

Post by Chinballs » 01 Mar 2019, 3:25 pm

JSS wrote:Interesting setup in your photo, is that just for unlicensed shooters?


Yep. In QLD a shooting gallery allows unlicensed shooters to shoot firearms after completing a Form 33A as long as they are not an "excluded person." The tether allows them to move the firearm up and down and enough side to side movement to aim at the target without having the ability to turn the firearm towards themselves or anyone else. If the tether system wasn't in place I would have nothing to do with the place lol.

On the gallery we switch out the guns every twelve months. We use Ruger Mark IV .22, Glock 17A 9mm, Ruger GP100 .38/.357Mag, Glock 21 .45ACP (will switch to target legal Glock 41 once we turn over the G21s) and Ruger Super Redhawk .44Mag. The Rugers don't last twelve months before cracking the forcing cones. We tried a S&W and it lasted like two months before the forcing cone cracked. The guns do a lot of rounds but the models we use are the ones that last the longest. There is a minimum age of 11 as well.

What's an excluded person?

If you have been convicted of murder, manslaughter, armed robbery, unlawful wounding or grievous bodily harm; OR an offence involving drugs, weapons or
violence punishable by at least 7 years imprisonment; OR in the last 5 years:
- convicted of, or discharged from custody on sentence after being convicted of, an offence relating to the misuse of drugs, the use or threatened use of violence, or
the use, carriage, discharge or possession of a weapon;
- subject to a domestic violence order, other than a temporary protection order;
- subject to an involuntary assessment order under the Mental Health Act 1974 or 2000 or similar order in another State;
- refused a licence or had a licence revoked because you were not or were no longer a fit and proper person; OR if you are subject to a temporary protection
order; OR prevented by an order of any court from holding a licence or possessing a weapon unless the order permits such under supervision; OR the holder of
a suspended licence – then you are an “excluded person” under Section 53, subsection (7) of the Weapons Act 1990.


Reality is we have no way of checking if the customer is lying or not but QPS and AFP do come and check the book and CCTV semi regularly. They can also notify us of people who can not shoot and others we have to report straight away. We are also obliged to report anyone suspicious which we do.
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Re: Low cost/round Factory 9mm?

Post by JSS » 01 Mar 2019, 4:53 pm

Yep i'm aware of the rules, i shoot regularly at half a dozen pistol ranges in the Brissy area, and i've seen heaps of people shoot cat h on form 33 and have never seen the gun bolted down like that. Not even at ranges where form 33ers have actually gone and killed themselves in the past have they gone to a setup like that.
What range is it??
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Re: Low cost/round Factory 9mm?

Post by Chinballs » 01 Mar 2019, 5:15 pm

Shooting gallery license conditions require tethering the firearms. The rules are different for club members directly supervising unlicensed shooters. They both use Form 33/Form 33A though. A shooting gallery operates totally different to a club. They don't shoot competitions and are not limited by calibre or magazine capacity. You don't even need to hold a license to work at one, you are authorised by the gallery license to handle firearms. The owner insists, for obvious reasons, on all staff being licensed for A/B/H as they also have a shotgun and have used rfles in the past. WLB won't approve Cat C though, the owner has tried a couple of times.

The picture is from The Shooting Center on the Gold Coast. There is also a club (SIPC) that operates out of the same building. The range is split down the middle, ten bays for the gallery license and ten bays for the club.

There was another gallery in Surfers (Australian Shooting Academy) but their owner died suddenly and the business closed a few weeks ago. There used to be one on Hamilton Island as well but I'm pretty sure that cosed down a while ago. I know there is quite a few licenses issued but I don't think there are actually many operating.
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Re: Low cost/round Factory 9mm?

Post by cracker » 01 Mar 2019, 7:17 pm

<<Genesis93>> wrote:I've used stacks of Highland (branded PPU) on chamberings from 223Rem to 375H&H, without a problem....not particularly 'dirty'....just good, clean, noisy and relatively cheap fun :thumbsup:


ditto and the brass is pretty reasonable to reuse, loaded 30-30, .303, 375h&h with no issues very little stretch in case length no splitting... for what you pay its a bloody good deal... the 9mm stuff is kinda grubby i guess, pretty smokey
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Re: Low cost/round Factory 9mm?

Post by wanneroo » 02 Mar 2019, 12:58 am

Chinballs wrote:
Yep. In QLD a shooting gallery allows unlicensed shooters to shoot firearms after completing a Form 33A as long as they are not an "excluded person." The tether allows them to move the firearm up and down and enough side to side movement to aim at the target without having the ability to turn the firearm towards themselves or anyone else. If the tether system wasn't in place I would have nothing to do with the place lol.



Couldn't a potential suicider just jump in front of the tether, put their thumb through the trigger guard and blow themselves away?
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Re: Low cost/round Factory 9mm?

Post by Chinballs » 04 Mar 2019, 2:46 am

wanneroo wrote:Couldn't a potential suicider just jump in front of the tether, put their thumb through the trigger guard and blow themselves away?


They could but they are supervised by a range officer at all times and it's quite an awkward manouvre to achieve. We've had a few cases of people who wanted to do it but after going out on the range they soon see it isn't a viable option. Normally they shoot one mag/cylinder, realise it isn't gonna happen and then leave. In the majority of cases you can tell by their mannerisms and how they talk (or don't) when they are filling in the Form 33 and you can steer them away without issue.
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Re: Low cost/round Factory 9mm?

Post by thunderbird » 05 Mar 2019, 12:35 pm

I have been using S&B for my CZ for a while. have no problem and happy with the price (roughly $22/50, if bought in bulk).
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Re: Low cost/round Factory 9mm?

Post by bullzeye » 07 Apr 2019, 2:34 pm

Cheapest box of 50 rounds in Sydney?

I’ve been getting American eagle or Fiocci at around $27 for a box of 50 (HPGS).

Anything cheaper?
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Re: Low cost/round Factory 9mm?

Post by goat » 08 Apr 2019, 6:51 pm

Magnum Sports often have the 250 boxes of S&B for around $103
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Re: Low cost/round Factory 9mm?

Post by bullzeye » 08 Apr 2019, 9:16 pm

Wow, thanks.

That’s a good price. Will check it out.
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Re: Low cost/round Factory 9mm?

Post by zhuk » 09 Apr 2019, 3:21 am

Be aware that Magnum does not sell ammo from their website, it has to be in person piclup...but you live in my neck of the woods so it should be your local too heh
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