Anyone given up pistol license because of attendance reqs?

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Re: Anyone given up pistol license because of attendance req

Post by bladeracer » 04 Jan 2017, 9:10 pm

on_one_wheel wrote:I never said that I want to compete, I said I'd like to have a revolver or two. :thumbsup:



For what purpose though?

If you aren't going to shoot them competitively, and are happy to put your money into firearms you can't actually use, then get a collector's licence.
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Post by No1Mk3 » 05 Jan 2017, 2:25 am

For your information, VICTORIA ONLY, people interested in the history and use of firearms can join a collectors club, and here in Vic, purchase any pre-1947 handgun that fits there declared theme. They can also use that handgun at declared "collectors shoots" appx 4 times per year (that is to say allowed, not compulsory). Some organizations may have more than 4 declared events, but many are "themed" so your own handgun may not meet that theme. Getting a licence is not as easy as some have posted, but not excessive either, but storage is quite tough. Not really hard, but more than just for handgun. Cheers.
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Post by bigfellascott » 05 Jan 2017, 1:11 pm

Owning a Handgun is one side of firearms use that never really appealed to me for some reason, I guess it because it's not designed for hunting as it were so of no use to me (I can't be fooked with all the range crap so it was never going to happen - I've got a few mates that own em and they seem to enjoy them and we have a pistol club 10mins from home if I ever change my mind but I can't honestly see it happening.
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Re: Anyone given up pistol license because of attendance req

Post by on_one_wheel » 05 Jan 2017, 1:28 pm

bladeracer wrote:
on_one_wheel wrote:I never said that I want to compete, I said I'd like to have a revolver or two. :thumbsup:



For what purpose though?

If you aren't going to shoot them competitively, and are happy to put your money into firearms you can't actually use, then get a collector's licence.


For a second I thought you were taking the same line as our screwball government with all this justification stuff.
I've got plenty of personal belongings that I have difficulty justifying. Luckily for me I don't need to justify having them to our government. .... yet.

There lays the biggest single problem with the whole pistol licence thing.

What's wrong with owning one purely to smack cans off a fence post on the farm once in a while and also just enjoy it as a peice of functional mechanical artwork ? ... Stupid rules.
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Post by duncan61 » 05 Jan 2017, 3:24 pm

I got where bark was going from the beginning and I would get right into this but it does say at the bottom of the page not to discuss illegal activities.If I join the club and end up with a six shooter in .22 It will not be left behind when I go to the farm.
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Post by on_one_wheel » 05 Jan 2017, 3:28 pm

duncan61 wrote:I got where bark was going from the beginning and I would get right into this but it does say at the bottom of the page not to discuss illegal activities.If I join the club and end up with a six shooter in .22 It will not be left behind when I go to the farm.


AHH MY EYES !!! :shock: someone help me unsee these filthy words !
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Post by duncan61 » 05 Jan 2017, 6:01 pm

I hope your jesting.I took some people I knew shooting once and one of them pulled out a home made pistol made for .22 WMR.we had a ball plinking and if you pulled 2 pins out it came apart and was easy as single shot break open.Its a bit different in W.A. as the only place you can discharge a firearm is on private property.For you wise men from the east I would not recommend strapping on a pair of Ruger blackhawks in .357 and wandering through state forests
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Re: Anyone given up pistol license because of attendance req

Post by bladeracer » 05 Jan 2017, 8:26 pm

on_one_wheel wrote:For a second I thought you were taking the same line as our screwball government with all this justification stuff.
I've got plenty of personal belongings that I have difficulty justifying. Luckily for me I don't need to justify having them to our government. .... yet.

There lays the biggest single problem with the whole pistol licence thing.

What's wrong with owning one purely to smack cans off a fence post on the farm once in a while and also just enjoy it as a peice of functional mechanical artwork ? ... Stupid rules.



I agree with you, handguns are fun toys. But until it becomes legal again to enjoy them for what they are, we are restricted to only using them on approved handgun ranges, which makes owning them pointless if you aren't interested in competition.
I was never interested in competition, but I was interested in learning to use handguns for practical purposes. IPSC was the only way to do that short of joining the military, and I practiced a lot more and shot a lot more ammo as a civilian than I would've been able to in the military.

IPSC gives you the holster work, reloading and firing on the move, shooting at and from unconventional positions in vehicles and structures, moving and partially-concealed targets and such things. But two important considerations are ignored in IPSC in my opinion. Almost all firing and all reloading should be done from cover, and all movement should be done from cover to cover. And there needs to be greater value placed on hitting your targets while avoiding spraying bullets into the background - every miss should be counted as a penalty. To qualify as "practical", instead of only requiring two holes _in_ a target, it should require only two shots _at_ the target to emphasise accuracy and conservation of ammunition. And I never saw any real world value in spraying bullets at steel poppers until they fall (what situation is that supposed to mimic from reality?).
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Re: Anyone given up pistol license because of attendance req

Post by Baz460 » 05 Jan 2017, 9:16 pm

Yeh, just sold my 460 SaW and Ruger Single Six. The Ruger was not so much of a problem as we have an indoor range here in town, but the 460, I had to travel over a couple of hundred klm's round trip to get it ticked off. I was just over it.


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Re: Anyone given up pistol license because of attendance req

Post by spEKTre » 06 Jan 2017, 9:30 am

I've seen literally 100+ quit our club over a decade because it was too onerous to make it to 1 every 6 weeks ( club requirement ) . There seems to be 3 kinds of people who obtain handguns..the ones that just want to have a pistol to own it ( usually self defense is the mind set ) ones that are interested in doing something different and end up liking the sport and the 3rd type which is usually in the handful that compete in comps. I would suggest to anyone who thinks this sport is something to dabble in to go and try something else because it is very onerous on the individual to firstly obtain a handgun and secondly to keep it.
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Re: Anyone given up pistol license because of attendance req

Post by bigM » 06 Jan 2017, 10:14 am

Really ?

I guess it depends where you live relative to the club you are a member of (I live 20 minutes away).
Last year I had no problems getting over 50 attendances and I work full time.

In NSW we need 6 attendances if you own 1 (or no) pistols.
8 attendances if you own 2 classes of pistols, which I do.
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Post by Gun-nut » 06 Jan 2017, 10:05 pm

bigM wrote:Really ?

I guess it depends where you live relative to the club you are a member of (I live 20 minutes away).
Last year I had no problems getting over 50 attendances and I work full time.

In NSW we need 6 attendances if you own 1 (or no) pistols.
8 attendances if you own 2 classes of pistols, which I do.


Does the number of required shoots increase with the more handguns you own? Or do they only increase with the more classes of handguns you own?
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Post by Cryptic » 07 Jan 2017, 9:18 am

Gun-nut wrote:
bigM wrote:Really ?

I guess it depends where you live relative to the club you are a member of (I live 20 minutes away).
Last year I had no problems getting over 50 attendances and I work full time.

In NSW we need 6 attendances if you own 1 (or no) pistols.
8 attendances if you own 2 classes of pistols, which I do.


Does the number of required shoots increase with the more handguns you own? Or do they only increase with the more classes of handguns you own?


In Qld you need 6 attendances if you own 1 pistol or if you have 2 then it is 4 per pistol.
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Re: Anyone given up pistol license because of attendance req

Post by bigM » 07 Jan 2017, 9:53 am

bigM wrote:In NSW we need 6 attendances if you own 1 (or no) pistols.
8 attendances if you own 2 classes of pistols, which I do.

Gun-nut wrote:Does the number of required shoots increase with the more handguns you own? Or do they only increase with the more classes of handguns you own?

For NSW only;
There are 3 classes of pistols; air, rimfire and centrefire.
You need a minimum of 6 attendances.
For each class you need 4 attendances.
So if you had pistols in all 3 classes you would need 12 attendances.

The number of pistols you possess in each class do not change anything.

Some states (not NSW) have no attendance requirements if you own no pistols.
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Re: Anyone given up pistol license because of attendance req

Post by Gun-nut » 07 Jan 2017, 12:44 pm

Thanks for the reply, I checked the Victorian police website, and they weren't much help. I should probably email them to confirm how it works down here.
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Re: Anyone given up pistol license because of attendance req

Post by Wylie27 » 11 Jan 2017, 5:43 am

Bentaz,

That's awesome, you will have fun and it's just another part of the addiction! :)
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Re: Anyone given up pistol license because of attendance req

Post by happyhunter » 11 Jan 2017, 1:26 pm

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Re: Anyone given up pistol license because of attendance req

Post by on_one_wheel » 11 Jan 2017, 2:19 pm

happyhunter wrote:Imagine if the government forced you in other activities like kicking a footy, dirt biking or golf to compete in at least six sanctioned event each year.

:lol:

"It has come to out attention that you have not completed the required number of PGA games for the year.
It is a requirement of your golf license that you attend at least
1 PGA game for every putter
2 PGA games for every Iron
5 PGA games for every driver

We request that you hand in your golf clubs in to a police station as your golf license has been canceled effective immediately.

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Re: Anyone given up pistol license because of attendance req

Post by HulkFury » 29 Jan 2017, 9:51 am

Can someone clarify participation requirements?

A licence holder who is a member of an approved pistol club must participate in at least 6 club organised competitive shooting matches over each period of 12 months that the licence is in force AND for each type of pistol you possess for different shooting events, you must undertake at least 4 club organised shoots.


http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0019/131176/Participation_Requirements_for_Club_Members_-_June_2012_PDF_V1.2.pdf

Isn't that 10 minimum visits (6+4) if you own 1 pistol? or is it 6 total (if only 1 pistol)?
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Post by bigM » 30 Jan 2017, 10:29 pm

In NSW we need 6 attendances if you own 1 (or no) pistols.
8 attendances if you own 2 classes of pistols, which I do.

There are 3 classes of pistols; air, rimfire and centrefire.
You need a minimum of 6 attendances.
For each class you need 4 attendances.
So if you had pistols in all 3 classes you would need 12 attendances.

The number of pistols you possess in each class do not change anything.


I could have sworn I said this before :D
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Post by Wylie27 » 31 Jan 2017, 6:09 am

bigM wrote:In NSW we need 6 attendances if you own 1 (or no) pistols.
8 attendances if you own 2 classes of pistols, which I do.

There are 3 classes of pistols; air, rimfire and centrefire.
You need a minimum of 6 attendances.
For each class you need 4 attendances.
So if you had pistols in all 3 classes you would need 12 attendances.

The number of pistols you possess in each class do not change anything.


I could have sworn I said this before :D


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Post by Gamerancher » 31 Jan 2017, 8:28 am

What about cap & ball black-powder? What are those classed as?
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Re: Anyone given up pistol license because of attendance req

Post by bigM » 04 Feb 2017, 8:58 am

Gamerancher wrote:What about cap & ball black-powder? What are those classed as?

In NSW blackpowder and high calibre are centrefire.
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Re: Anyone given up pistol license because of attendance req

Post by Keith » 18 Dec 2018, 9:55 am

Bark wrote:I'm back to thinking about getting my pistol license again but the mandatory shoots thing keeps coming back to me as a pain in the ass :|

Just wondering if anyone has gone through the process and later given up their pistol license because they couldn't be stuffed with the attendance requirements?


I held a pistol license in the Territory for many years. When I moved to NSW I did not renew it until I needed a licence as a security operative. When I retired I checked out the nearest pistol club to me (I live out bush) & attended a few times, but the fees are expensive, it is an inconvenience to keep up attendance, & I did not like the red neck attitude of club members there! So I have not been back & have not applied for a licence.
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Post by pomemax » 18 Dec 2018, 11:14 am

bigM wrote:In NSW we need 6 attendances if you own 1 (or no) pistols.
8 attendances if you own 2 classes of pistols, which I do.

There are 3 classes of pistols; air, rimfire and centrefire.
You need a minimum of 6 attendances.
For each class you need 4 attendances.
So if you had pistols in all 3 classes you would need 12 attendances.

The number of pistols you possess in each class do not change anything.


I could have sworn I said this before :D

I think you did some clubs have different rules @ St Marys you need 6 targets per yer 3 club 3 in your own time so if you own a rimfire and centerfire you can do both attendances at the same time now its back to four attendances but 8 targets submitted so there is you club shoots covered now you can do some in your own time min of 3
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Re: Anyone given up pistol license because of attendance req

Post by brett1868 » 18 Dec 2018, 2:56 pm

The rules for St Mary's Pistol Club for attendances are as follow:-

"Legal requirements – every H class licensed shooter has to do a standard minimum of 6 competition attendances, more scores are required dependent on how many categories of pistols you own.

The categories are Air Pistol – Rimfire – Centrefire – Higher Calibre. If you own more than one of these categories the number of scores needed becomes 4 per category. So if you have an air pistol and a centrefire you need to complete 8 scores. Why I am referring to scores now and not attendances is because you still only have to attend 6 times if you want, if you attend Target Pistol for example you can bring both the air and centrefire pistol and have a score taken for each. This is very handy if you have three categories and you have to have 12 scores.

If you have a Higher Calibre permit you have to have a genuine reason of Single Action or Metallic Silhouette and you need to attend at least 4 of these events as well."

I have Rimfire, Centrefire and Higher Calibre which means I need to lodge 12 scores. I can achieve this in 8 attendances by entering 4 events that permit both rimfire and centre fire use and then another 4 high calibre events. Also I receive an attendance for any match that I RO which is good because it's not always possible to shoot. I shoot 2-3 matches a month, RO another 2 which gives me 48 for the year without really making much of an effort. That said I can empathise with those that live a long way from a range or club and the effort to maintain attendances can be a massive drain on time. Join a collectors club, SSAA in my case, have it added to your membership card and after 12 months you can start collecting providing your storage complies and you attend 1 meeting a year,.
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Post by Sarco » 18 Dec 2018, 8:22 pm

Gun-nut wrote:Thanks for the reply, I checked the Victorian police website, and they weren't much help. I should probably email them to confirm how it works down here.


https://www.police.vic.gov.au/content.a ... t_ID=34479

Just below the table on the page which opens in the link is another link to a *.pdf document that provides additional information

Handgun Target Shooting and Participation Conditions

Note this applies to Victorians only.
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Post by duncan61 » 19 Dec 2018, 12:02 am

W.A. is 6 comps a year.I have just being looking it all up and am keen to have a go.For $65 I get a box of 50 .22LR and a SaW 6 gun to play with.Its hardly worth joining a club and owning my own handgun.They have 9mm and .357 as well for a few dollars more.Might go friday after the gun safe inspection
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Post by 1Fatman » 19 Dec 2018, 4:11 pm

duncan61 wrote:W.A. is 6 comps a year.I have just being looking it all up and am keen to have a go.For $65 I get a box of 50 .22LR and a SaW 6 gun to play with.Its hardly worth joining a club and owning my own handgun.They have 9mm and .357 as well for a few dollars more.Might go friday after the gun safe inspection



I guess you are talking about The Lone Rangers shooting complex. It is quite expensive compared to other clubs, below is taken from their webpage.

"Below is the information required on how to become a member of our shooting range, and all the benefits & entitlements that it gives you
the following information details the regulations and criteria that need to be met in order for you to own your own firearms for target shooting sports through the club. The cost to join as a Full Member for 6 months is $300.00 and 12 months is $450.00.
If you wish to license your own firearms via the club then in addition to your Full Membership you will require an annual membership ($83.00) to the Sporting Shooters Association of Australia (SSAA).
Range shooting fees for full members are 50% off the non member rate and are all inclusive of gun-use, range time and targets. Upon full payment of fees you will undertake a twenty six (26) week probationary period during which time you are required to complete a minimum of fifteen (15) separate attendance shoots."


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Re: Anyone given up pistol license because of attendance req

Post by GojiraSteve » 19 Dec 2018, 4:36 pm

Yeah, in a sense.

I was travelling for about a year and moved house a bunch of times in the next few. It wasn't that I thought the attendance requirements were too onerous generally.

But at that time in my life I just had too much going on.

There should be a way to apply for an exemption and there should be no minimum attendance if you down own any pistols. It's about public safety isn't it? Without going down the "if you're a fit and proper person you shouldn't need to suffer further restrictions" road (which I agree with). The only reason to demand licencees "show" their commitment to the sport should be to ensure that undesirable people aren't just paying lip service to their stated genuine reason and acquiring weapons for other purposes.
If you don't have any, there's no risk to anyone and no reason you shouldn't be able to maintain your licence against the inconvenience of re-acquiring it should you decide to become an active competitor again.
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