Anyone given up pistol license because of attendance reqs?

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Re: Anyone given up pistol license because of attendance req

Post by HulkFury » 29 Jan 2017, 9:51 am

Can someone clarify participation requirements?

A licence holder who is a member of an approved pistol club must participate in at least 6 club organised competitive shooting matches over each period of 12 months that the licence is in force AND for each type of pistol you possess for different shooting events, you must undertake at least 4 club organised shoots.


http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0019/131176/Participation_Requirements_for_Club_Members_-_June_2012_PDF_V1.2.pdf

Isn't that 10 minimum visits (6+4) if you own 1 pistol? or is it 6 total (if only 1 pistol)?
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Re: Anyone given up pistol license because of attendance req

Post by bigM » 30 Jan 2017, 10:29 pm

In NSW we need 6 attendances if you own 1 (or no) pistols.
8 attendances if you own 2 classes of pistols, which I do.

There are 3 classes of pistols; air, rimfire and centrefire.
You need a minimum of 6 attendances.
For each class you need 4 attendances.
So if you had pistols in all 3 classes you would need 12 attendances.

The number of pistols you possess in each class do not change anything.


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Re: Anyone given up pistol license because of attendance req

Post by Wylie27 » 31 Jan 2017, 6:09 am

bigM wrote:In NSW we need 6 attendances if you own 1 (or no) pistols.
8 attendances if you own 2 classes of pistols, which I do.

There are 3 classes of pistols; air, rimfire and centrefire.
You need a minimum of 6 attendances.
For each class you need 4 attendances.
So if you had pistols in all 3 classes you would need 12 attendances.

The number of pistols you possess in each class do not change anything.


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Re: Anyone given up pistol license because of attendance req

Post by Gamerancher » 31 Jan 2017, 8:28 am

What about cap & ball black-powder? What are those classed as?
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Re: Anyone given up pistol license because of attendance req

Post by bigM » 04 Feb 2017, 8:58 am

Gamerancher wrote:What about cap & ball black-powder? What are those classed as?

In NSW blackpowder and high calibre are centrefire.
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Re: Anyone given up pistol license because of attendance req

Post by Keith » 18 Dec 2018, 9:55 am

Bark wrote:I'm back to thinking about getting my pistol license again but the mandatory shoots thing keeps coming back to me as a pain in the ass :|

Just wondering if anyone has gone through the process and later given up their pistol license because they couldn't be stuffed with the attendance requirements?


I held a pistol license in the Territory for many years. When I moved to NSW I did not renew it until I needed a licence as a security operative. When I retired I checked out the nearest pistol club to me (I live out bush) & attended a few times, but the fees are expensive, it is an inconvenience to keep up attendance, & I did not like the red neck attitude of club members there! So I have not been back & have not applied for a licence.
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Re: Anyone given up pistol license because of attendance req

Post by pomemax » 18 Dec 2018, 11:14 am

bigM wrote:In NSW we need 6 attendances if you own 1 (or no) pistols.
8 attendances if you own 2 classes of pistols, which I do.

There are 3 classes of pistols; air, rimfire and centrefire.
You need a minimum of 6 attendances.
For each class you need 4 attendances.
So if you had pistols in all 3 classes you would need 12 attendances.

The number of pistols you possess in each class do not change anything.


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I think you did some clubs have different rules @ St Marys you need 6 targets per yer 3 club 3 in your own time so if you own a rimfire and centerfire you can do both attendances at the same time now its back to four attendances but 8 targets submitted so there is you club shoots covered now you can do some in your own time min of 3
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Re: Anyone given up pistol license because of attendance req

Post by brett1868 » 18 Dec 2018, 2:56 pm

The rules for St Mary's Pistol Club for attendances are as follow:-

"Legal requirements – every H class licensed shooter has to do a standard minimum of 6 competition attendances, more scores are required dependent on how many categories of pistols you own.

The categories are Air Pistol – Rimfire – Centrefire – Higher Calibre. If you own more than one of these categories the number of scores needed becomes 4 per category. So if you have an air pistol and a centrefire you need to complete 8 scores. Why I am referring to scores now and not attendances is because you still only have to attend 6 times if you want, if you attend Target Pistol for example you can bring both the air and centrefire pistol and have a score taken for each. This is very handy if you have three categories and you have to have 12 scores.

If you have a Higher Calibre permit you have to have a genuine reason of Single Action or Metallic Silhouette and you need to attend at least 4 of these events as well."

I have Rimfire, Centrefire and Higher Calibre which means I need to lodge 12 scores. I can achieve this in 8 attendances by entering 4 events that permit both rimfire and centre fire use and then another 4 high calibre events. Also I receive an attendance for any match that I RO which is good because it's not always possible to shoot. I shoot 2-3 matches a month, RO another 2 which gives me 48 for the year without really making much of an effort. That said I can empathise with those that live a long way from a range or club and the effort to maintain attendances can be a massive drain on time. Join a collectors club, SSAA in my case, have it added to your membership card and after 12 months you can start collecting providing your storage complies and you attend 1 meeting a year,.
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Re: Anyone given up pistol license because of attendance req

Post by Sarco » 18 Dec 2018, 8:22 pm

Gun-nut wrote:Thanks for the reply, I checked the Victorian police website, and they weren't much help. I should probably email them to confirm how it works down here.


https://www.police.vic.gov.au/content.a ... t_ID=34479

Just below the table on the page which opens in the link is another link to a *.pdf document that provides additional information

Handgun Target Shooting and Participation Conditions

Note this applies to Victorians only.
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Re: Anyone given up pistol license because of attendance req

Post by duncan61 » 19 Dec 2018, 12:02 am

W.A. is 6 comps a year.I have just being looking it all up and am keen to have a go.For $65 I get a box of 50 .22LR and a SaW 6 gun to play with.Its hardly worth joining a club and owning my own handgun.They have 9mm and .357 as well for a few dollars more.Might go friday after the gun safe inspection
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Post by 1Fatman » 19 Dec 2018, 4:11 pm

duncan61 wrote:W.A. is 6 comps a year.I have just being looking it all up and am keen to have a go.For $65 I get a box of 50 .22LR and a SaW 6 gun to play with.Its hardly worth joining a club and owning my own handgun.They have 9mm and .357 as well for a few dollars more.Might go friday after the gun safe inspection



I guess you are talking about The Lone Rangers shooting complex. It is quite expensive compared to other clubs, below is taken from their webpage.

"Below is the information required on how to become a member of our shooting range, and all the benefits & entitlements that it gives you
the following information details the regulations and criteria that need to be met in order for you to own your own firearms for target shooting sports through the club. The cost to join as a Full Member for 6 months is $300.00 and 12 months is $450.00.
If you wish to license your own firearms via the club then in addition to your Full Membership you will require an annual membership ($83.00) to the Sporting Shooters Association of Australia (SSAA).
Range shooting fees for full members are 50% off the non member rate and are all inclusive of gun-use, range time and targets. Upon full payment of fees you will undertake a twenty six (26) week probationary period during which time you are required to complete a minimum of fifteen (15) separate attendance shoots."


Most clubs are normally around the $200 mark and don't charge you to use the club guns and you buy the ammo from then at a good price.
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Re: Anyone given up pistol license because of attendance req

Post by GojiraSteve » 19 Dec 2018, 4:36 pm

Yeah, in a sense.

I was travelling for about a year and moved house a bunch of times in the next few. It wasn't that I thought the attendance requirements were too onerous generally.

But at that time in my life I just had too much going on.

There should be a way to apply for an exemption and there should be no minimum attendance if you down own any pistols. It's about public safety isn't it? Without going down the "if you're a fit and proper person you shouldn't need to suffer further restrictions" road (which I agree with). The only reason to demand licencees "show" their commitment to the sport should be to ensure that undesirable people aren't just paying lip service to their stated genuine reason and acquiring weapons for other purposes.
If you don't have any, there's no risk to anyone and no reason you shouldn't be able to maintain your licence against the inconvenience of re-acquiring it should you decide to become an active competitor again.
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Re: Anyone given up pistol license because of attendance req

Post by zhuk » 22 Dec 2018, 6:54 pm

Gun-nut wrote:If for some reason you can't meet the requirements and you still want a handgun. Then get a collectors licence, this way you don't need to follow magazine capacity and barrel length restrictions and you get to keep functional handguns in your home. There are storage requirements that must be meant but nothing drastic, a trigger lock being one. Collectors licences are also cheap, if money is a concern, though you may need to install an alarm (don't quote me on this) and provide a reason as to why you are collecting a certain type of handgun (military/law enforcement handguns or WW2 handguns for example).



Although then you can't shoot it, which is the point of handguns for me anyway.

I had to get 6mm of barrel silver soldered onto my Tokarev so I could legally shoot it lol
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Re: Anyone given up pistol license because of attendance req

Post by cracker » 22 Dec 2018, 8:57 pm

zhuk wrote:
Gun-nut wrote:If for some reason you can't meet the requirements and you still want a handgun. Then get a collectors licence, this way you don't need to follow magazine capacity and barrel length restrictions and you get to keep functional handguns in your home. There are storage requirements that must be meant but nothing drastic, a trigger lock being one. Collectors licences are also cheap, if money is a concern, though you may need to install an alarm (don't quote me on this) and provide a reason as to why you are collecting a certain type of handgun (military/law enforcement handguns or WW2 handguns for example).



Although then you can't shoot it, which is the point of handguns for me anyway.

I had to get 6mm of barrel silver soldered onto my Tokarev so I could legally shoot it lol


correct me if im wrong but you still have to conform to magazine limits...how ever iv never seen anyone have a 10 round mag in a pre 47 hi power... thought over 10 round mag made it cat e
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