Revolver or semi style pistol your favourite?

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Re: Revolver or semi style pistol your favourite?

Post by bladeracer » 10 Feb 2017, 2:35 am

A big advantage of revolvers is that you can load your ammo to suit different purposes.
Semi-auto's generally only function reliably within a limited window of bullet weight/velocities.
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Re: Revolver or semi style pistol your favourite?

Post by Lokvo » 21 Feb 2017, 8:13 am

I don't have a cat H just yet so I've been shooting semi-auto's the majority of the time at the pistol club. I've shot a revolver a few times however and there's just something about them! they're kinda great!
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Re: Revolver or semi style pistol your favourite?

Post by Keltec » 12 May 2017, 11:31 pm

Hmmm......
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Re: Revolver or semi style pistol your favourite?

Post by Urastus » 03 Oct 2018, 1:42 pm

bladeracer wrote:A big advantage of revolvers is that you can load your ammo to suit different purposes.
Semi-auto's generally only function reliably within a limited window of bullet weight/velocities.


I think they'd be better as "work" guns too. Armed security guards and even police etc. There is no spring under tension all the time (as in the magazine). Guns that are carried around a lot and rarely used (except at the range). If there is any failure to fire, just keep going. No misfeeds or jams. Simplicity. And, they're ready to shoot with no extra actions.
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Re: Revolver or semi style pistol your favourite?

Post by Cryptic » 03 Oct 2018, 4:11 pm

Urastus wrote:
bladeracer wrote:A big advantage of revolvers is that you can load your ammo to suit different purposes.
Semi-auto's generally only function reliably within a limited window of bullet weight/velocities.


I think they'd be better as "work" guns too. Armed security guards and even police etc. There is no spring under tension all the time (as in the magazine). Guns that are carried around a lot and rarely used (except at the range). If there is any failure to fire, just keep going. No misfeeds or jams. Simplicity.


Not wise to keep going if you get a misfire in a revolver without checking. If it is a hangfire and you cycle the next round you're going to have a bad time.
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Re: Revolver or semi style pistol your favourite?

Post by bladeracer » 03 Oct 2018, 5:47 pm

Cryptic wrote:Not wise to keep going if you get a misfire in a revolver without checking. If it is a hangfire and you cycle the next round you're going to have a bad time.


Autos have the same problem, if your gun don't go bang, don't pull the trigger again until you know the bore is clear.
This guy ignored every warning that there was a problem.
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Re: Revolver or semi style pistol your favourite?

Post by Rod_outbak » 03 Oct 2018, 6:01 pm

Most rural properties that have handguns around here, usually have a revolver.
Many have the Rugers with the interchangeable .22LR/.22WMR cylinders.

Being a bit different, I have a 1911-clone .45acp with a double-stack mag (12 rounds).
My first center-fire handgun was a Colt Anaconda, in .45LC. It had a Tasco Pro-Point scope on a QD setup, so it took about a minute to add the scope, if you needed it. Really nice monster to shoot, and nailed a fox for me one night, at ~75 yards. (Surprised both the fox and myself that night...)

Back over 10 years ago, I had to rationalise my handguns, and the appeal of the 1911 came for a number of reasons:

1). It was a lot more compact than a revolver, and therefore more easy to use off the bike. It might have been possible to go with a .357 revolver with a 4" barrel, but I reckon they look like crap.
2). The Galco 'Duty' holster I wear the 1911 in, tucks in above my hip, and has the gun up out of the way of the seat in the ute, but handy to use if needed. I havent seen a revolver holster that would fit into the same spot. (Probably is one available, but hard to get in Australia, I'll bet..)
3). The 12-round mags for the 1911 allow me to carry ~36 rounds if I'm wearing a twin-mag pouch on my belt, and still nowhere near as bulky as carrying the same in speed-loaders for the revolver.
4). While a .357 or suchlike would shoot further, for the average sort of distance I use handguns, the .45 works a treat on pigs etc.
5). A Ceiner .22 conversion gave me a .22LR option, whenever I want to go 'Lite'. (.45 is a bit messy for Toad-Phukking...)
6). I have the option of getting someone to make me up a 38/45 barrel at some stage, and have something vaguely resembling a .357Sig.
7). A 1911 is a pretty solid and reliable rig, if even given fairly basic TLC.
8). There are a LOT of accessories around for a 1911; even one of the double-stacks. Parts for revolvers are much more model-specific, and many models are impossible to source parts to fit(In Australia, anyway). Recently, I bought a compensator that plugs on instead of the standard barrel bush. Neat, works, and something I could fit in 10 minutes at home.
9). The extra 5 seconds to rack the slide on my empty 1911 has never made me yearn for earing the hammer back on a revolver. I prefer carrying it on an empty chamber.
10). I've never found the extra mag capacity on the 1911 has made me want to blaze away. My 1911 speaks with enough authority, that I tend to be peeking around after each shot, to see what the heck happened when I pulled the trigger that time...
11). CCI .45ACP shotshells give me something equivalent to a compact semi-auto .410 shotgun, which has been the bane of the odd Cat/Toad/Rabbit/Bitey snake over the years. Dont use them much, but freaking handy when you need them..

The nicest/sweetest handgun I've ever used was a mates Strayer Voight 2011 in .40Cal. Beautiful crisp trigger, and the all-alloy frame made the gun quick to point. I think it had 16-round mags, and was an absolute dream to shoot.

I'd also agree that I found a misfire in a revolver to be slightly more scarey than in the 1911. I can drop the rest of the ammo out of the 1911, while leaving the chamber locked(in case it's a hang-fire). Your only option to remove the rest of the ammo in the revolver, is to break it open.
I can see instances where a revolver might be a safer option, but mainly when there is more than one person using it.
I've never found the 1911 to be overly less safe to use than a revolver; it's all about your safety procedures.
I had plenty more reliability issues with the Colt revolver, but thats comparing apples with tangellos...


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Re: Revolver or semi style pistol your favourite?

Post by Urastus » 03 Oct 2018, 6:22 pm

Actually, that video is a great example. Lots of training but in the adrenaline of the comp he was focused on clearing the rifle quickly. I've been going to the club, prior to doing my course, and every time there has been a misfire in 9mm or .22. I've never seen anyone wait the 30sec; I didn't realise the significance at the time. I remember somebody mentioning the 30sec rule once, and it caused a bit of discussion which I as a learner got nothing concrete from. So, if security dude or copper, pulls out his gun for real for the first time ever, then there's a chance he might do exactly what the dude in the video did. Squib round is the end of the day for the gun, for sure, but if it's a misfire, and brainless dude keeps squeezing, he might get away with it without brainless intervention. There's always the possibility too, that 30secs can be a long time.

I just read Rod_outbak's post; you're real experience trumps my theories :)
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Re: Revolver or semi style pistol your favourite?

Post by Urastus » 03 Oct 2018, 6:36 pm

It's just a coincidence, I watch some of what this guy does because the outcomes are sometimes surprising (and the guy is entertaining). An exaggerated squib round scenario https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5nKgho2Ue8
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Re: Revolver or semi style pistol your favourite?

Post by bladeracer » 03 Oct 2018, 7:07 pm

Urastus wrote:Actually, that video is a great example. Lots of training but in the adrenaline of the comp he was focused on clearing the rifle quickly. I've been going to the club, prior to doing my course, and every time there has been a misfire in 9mm or .22. I've never seen anyone wait the 30sec; I didn't realise the significance at the time. I remember somebody mentioning the 30sec rule once, and it caused a bit of discussion which I as a learner got nothing concrete from. So, if security dude or copper, pulls out his gun for real for the first time ever, then there's a chance he might do exactly what the dude in the video did. Squib round is the end of the day for the gun, for sure, but if it's a misfire, and brainless dude keeps squeezing, he might get away with it without brainless intervention. There's always the possibility too, that 30secs can be a long time.


In his notes on the video he said he had the blow-up because the speed of competition made it impossible to check the rifle was clear. He clearly spent a lot longer trying to jam more rounds into it than it would've taken him to check the bore didn't have a bullet jammed down it.

You don't need to wait 30-seconds, you can clear a problem very quickly, and safely, by checking your firearm before continuing. No failure drill, outside of military or law enforcement, should focus on simply putting a fresh round up the spout and continuing.

If you are going to have a slow ignition it'll most likely be within a second or two. I don't think I've ever had or seen one first hand that didn't happen while still aimed at the target. I have seen video of rare slow ignitions go off perhaps three or four seconds late with old milsurp ammo. In that case though it is actually more dangerous to leave the round in the rifle than to eject it onto the ground, but the risk is if it detonates during extraction/ejection and sprays you with brass fragments. Once it's on the ground, there's little danger if it detonates uncontained.

A "cook-off" can happen later though if you leave a live round in a very hot chamber.
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Re: Revolver or semi style pistol your favourite?

Post by Cryptic » 03 Oct 2018, 7:46 pm

Concern of a squid or cycling a hangfire in speed comp and having it go off out of bore alignment is reason I hand load 1 by one off press if I do light loads for rapid fire comps.
General loads I check and weight every 5 to 10 even with a lockout but light loads like AS30 in 38sp I always do individually.
Have had 2 squibs in my time loading at the start and I learnt from them and found Lee warns about their powder thrower disks being innacurate at certain levels for types of powder.
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Re: Revolver or semi style pistol your favourite?

Post by Urastus » 03 Oct 2018, 8:07 pm

The 30 sec rule was what we were taught at firearms course. No, obviously all the guys at my club have never experienced a delayed fire, or they wouldn't just eject the round, inspect then discard it :) If I went to the club right now, I reckon I'd find a few unfired rounds on the ground. Shooting rimfire through handguns I've experienced the odd soft pop; at least now I'd know to look down the barrel. Don't know how that works with a mark III though :) I can't imagine any training the ar guy had would suggest he just charge ahead; I think he stuffed up. I was surprised that the guy following with the camera didn't but in.
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Re: Revolver or semi style pistol your favourite?

Post by Cryptic » 03 Oct 2018, 9:00 pm

Urastus wrote:The 30 sec rule was what we were taught at firearms course. No, obviously all the guys at my club have never experienced a delayed fire, or they wouldn't just eject the round, inspect then discard it :) If I went to the club right now, I reckon I'd find a few unfired rounds on the ground. Shooting rimfire through handguns I've experienced the odd soft pop; at least now I'd know to look down the barrel. Don't know how that works with a mark III though :) I can't imagine any training the ar guy had would suggest he just charge ahead; I think he stuffed up. I was surprised that the guy following with the camera didn't but in.


You can get rods specifically for squib load or just get get a peice of wood that fits your barrel and keep handy in your range bag. On my revolver I would just run from muzzle to the end to make sure no blockage. Same with an open slide on a semi.
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Re: Revolver or semi style pistol your favourite?

Post by Urastus » 03 Oct 2018, 9:05 pm

Rod_outbak it's funny you talked about sending shot shells out of your .45. Apparently the rifling makes the shot spread much greater and much sooner than a smooth bore. Rifled shotguns in the states are common for single slugs; some people have fired shot through them with extreme results
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Re: Revolver or semi style pistol your favourite?

Post by bladeracer » 03 Oct 2018, 9:36 pm

Urastus wrote:Rod_outbak it's funny you talked about sending shot shells out of your .45. Apparently the rifling makes the shot spread much greater and much sooner than a smooth bore. Rifled shotguns in the states are common for single slugs; some people have fired shot through them with extreme results


The shot tends to leave a big hole in the middle of the pattern due to the rifling, but at very close ranges it's probably irrelevant.
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Re: Revolver or semi style pistol your favourite?

Post by Urastus » 03 Oct 2018, 11:20 pm

cryptic - I was thinking that; a piece of skinny dowel. Bladeracer - watch from about 6:25 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38a7L60SLJs
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Re: Revolver or semi style pistol your favourite?

Post by Rod_outbak » 04 Oct 2018, 6:23 am

The .45ACP version of the shotshells is #9 shot, and there are approx 210 pellets in each.

I tested them out on 3Litre milk containers a couple of years back. At ~7 metres, it looked like all of the shot was contained within the area of the milk container, which would have been roughly 18 inches square? I dont think I'd bother going much beyond 8-10 metres for using these, but then thats about the maximum I'd ever use a .410 shotgun anyway. I havent seen the hole in the centre of the pattern, but then I doubt I'm shooting them far enough.

I had a pair of tomcats decide to hold territorial negotiations one night in the gum-tree outside my bedroom.
(How freaking stupid was that??)
2 shotshells at roughly 7-8 metres, and I had 2 ex-puddins on the ground, after very brief flight experiments from both.

The shotshells arent something I'd use every day. The CCI ones are expensive, and arent re-useable (looks to be some sort of light alloy). I first saw the idea from some old ammo my grandfather bought in the 1960's; there is a 10-round pack of factory brass .45ACP shotshells, and I'd always thought they'd be handy for certain situations. At some stage in the future, I will take a crack at making my own, but thats a challenge for another day..
I see CCI also make them in 9mm, .40Cal, .38/357, .45LC and even .44Mag. There are some warnings about using some of the line-up in revolvers, which isnt surprising.
I've had a visit from a 2.1 metre King Brown snake one day, who was most keen on getting into the house. Like a .410, the shotshells do minimal damage outside the target at close range. A single round to the head of Mr Fangboy, and we were sorted.

It's not every day you need a semi-auto shot-pistol, but it's nice to be able to have the right tools for the job...

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Re: Revolver or semi style pistol your favourite?

Post by bigrich » 04 Oct 2018, 5:43 pm

Rod_outbak wrote:The .45ACP version of the shotshells is #9 shot, and there are approx 210 pellets in each.

I tested them out on 3Litre milk containers a couple of years back. At ~7 metres, it looked like all of the shot was contained within the area of the milk container, which would have been roughly 18 inches square? I dont think I'd bother going much beyond 8-10 metres for using these, but then thats about the maximum I'd ever use a .410 shotgun anyway. I havent seen the hole in the centre of the pattern, but then I doubt I'm shooting them far enough.

I had a pair of tomcats decide to hold territorial negotiations one night in the gum-tree outside my bedroom.
(How freaking stupid was that??)
2 shotshells at roughly 7-8 metres, and I had 2 ex-puddins on the ground, after very brief flight experiments from both.

The shotshells arent something I'd use every day. The CCI ones are expensive, and arent re-useable (looks to be some sort of light alloy). I first saw the idea from some old ammo my grandfather bought in the 1960's; there is a 10-round pack of factory brass .45ACP shotshells, and I'd always thought they'd be handy for certain situations. At some stage in the future, I will take a crack at making my own, but thats a challenge for another day..
I see CCI also make them in 9mm, .40Cal, .38/357, .45LC and even .44Mag. There are some warnings about using some of the line-up in revolvers, which isnt surprising.
I've had a visit from a 2.1 metre King Brown snake one day, who was most keen on getting into the house. Like a .410, the shotshells do minimal damage outside the target at close range. A single round to the head of Mr Fangboy, and we were sorted.

It's not every day you need a semi-auto shot-pistol, but it's nice to be able to have the right tools for the job...

Cheers,

Rod.


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