Revolver or semi style pistol your favourite?

Semi automatic and single shot handguns, revolvers and other pistols

Re: Revolver or semi style pistol your favourite?

Post by bladeracer » 17 Oct 2018, 12:18 pm

Urastus wrote:Hey Rod, the 686 and the gp100 are often compared in reviews. They seem evenly split. I continued researching the whole revolver vs pistol thing, funny enough velocities aren't uniformly better or worse with either action, mostly it comes down to individual guns. I've seen a lot of failure to feed and failure to eject with pistols, esp in .22, so I'm still thinking revolver.


.22LR semi-auto's can be finicky, but they should run just fine when you work out which ammo they like the best.
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Post by Rod_outbak » 17 Oct 2018, 2:48 pm

Yep; found that out the other day. Bought a couple of hundred of the all-copper CCI .22LR rounds, for pokking toads with the handgun.

Silly me; the Ceiner .22 conversion on the 1911 doesnt like the damn things; keeps failing to properly cycle every 4th or 5th round.

Shoots all day on the .22 Bushman ammo we use most of the time, but this all-copper stuff must be just too light to work the action properly.
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Post by bladeracer » 17 Oct 2018, 2:55 pm

Rod_outbak wrote:Yep; found that out the other day. Bought a couple of hundred of the all-copper CCI .22LR rounds, for pokking toads with the handgun.

Silly me; the Ceiner .22 conversion on the 1911 doesnt like the damn things; keeps failing to properly cycle every 4th or 5th round.

Shoots all day on the .22 Bushman ammo we use most of the time, but this all-copper stuff must be just too light to work the action properly.


CCI Copper-22 is bloody expensive toad food.
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Post by Rod_outbak » 18 Oct 2018, 7:22 am

....and putting bucketloads of lead from normal ammo into the banks of dams isnt ideal, either.

I bought them for particular instances where I cant reach the toads to skewer them, but dont want to be spreading lead all over the waters edge.

Anyway; not really anyone else's concern what I use them for; is it?
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Re: Revolver or semi style pistol your favourite?

Post by bladeracer » 18 Oct 2018, 1:53 pm

Rod_outbak wrote:....and putting bucketloads of lead from normal ammo into the banks of dams isnt ideal, either.

I bought them for particular instances where I cant reach the toads to skewer them, but dont want to be spreading lead all over the waters edge.

Anyway; not really anyone else's concern what I use them for; is it?


I recover most of my bullets for re-use, but I doubt bullets do much harm once they're back below ground.

Nobody's concern but yours :-)
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 18 Oct 2018, 3:10 pm

Some interesting reading on that subject.

https://www.princeton.edu/~rmizzo/firin ... m#mobility
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Post by bladeracer » 18 Oct 2018, 3:41 pm

Gaznazdiak wrote:Some interesting reading on that subject.

https://www.princeton.edu/~rmizzo/firin ... m#mobility


Interesting study.
"According to estimates by the Environmental Working Group, outdoor firing ranges put more lead into the environment than any other industry in the U.S., with the exception of metals mining and manufacturing." They didn't explain how tiny concentrations of lead at "...currently 1813 commercial outdoor firing ranges registered..." has any effect on the greater environment. 1800 firing ranges, at let's guess 10 acres each, is 18,000 acres across the entire US. It could even be argued that the thousands of shooters in the towns around the range have more lead bullets in their homes than the range does in the ground.

People still dig up ancient lead bullets so it must take a very, very long time for them to corrode and leach away into the soil. A mate of mine was prospecting up around Kalgoorlie and all he found was old bullets :-)
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Post by Daddybang » 18 Oct 2018, 4:46 pm

I wonder if they're as worried about all the lead sinkers that would be in the waterways?? :unknown: :drinks:
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 18 Oct 2018, 5:11 pm

Different metal I know, but there's a block of land inside the city limits of Goulburn that was the site of an old dip, apparently there is a ban on the sale or development of it because of arsenic levels still in the soil from the late 19th, early 20th Century use.

Signs stenciled on gutters around town tell you "The drain is just for rain". And arsenic runoff, apparently.
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Re: Revolver or semi style pistol your favourite?

Post by bladeracer » 18 Oct 2018, 5:20 pm

Gaznazdiak wrote:Different metal I know, but there's a block of land inside the city limits of Goulburn that was the site of an old dip, apparently there is a ban on the sale or development of it because of arsenic levels still in the soil from the late 19th, early 20th Century use.

Signs stenciled on gutters around town tell you "The drain is just for rain". And arsenic runoff, apparently.


It's not unusual for bullets and shot to contain arsenic as well.
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 18 Oct 2018, 5:43 pm

Aren't our distant descendants, if anthropocentric global warming allows any, going to look at us with fond humor.

The legacies of corporate greed and political expediency will outlast any "good" done by their products.
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Re: Revolver or semi style pistol your favourite?

Post by Rod_outbak » 18 Oct 2018, 5:52 pm

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Different metal I know, but there's a block of land inside the city limits of Goulburn that was the site of an old dip, apparently there is a ban on the sale or development of it because of arsenic levels still in the soil from the late 19th, early 20th Century use.

Signs stenciled on gutters around town tell you "The drain is just for rain". And arsenic runoff, apparently.

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One of the reasons that Biosecurity QLD want all old rubbish dumps fenced, is because hungry/desperate cattle (during drought) will eat the lead out of old car batteries. When starved enough, they seem to crave the taste (likely a serious deficiency of some mineral).
Have seen a few cattle who are suffering from the affects of eating lead (themselves, and NOT from a bullet), it's not pretty.
I have a cousin down near Goondoowindi, who had owned a block for over 10 years, and found a cow acting strangely one day. After discovering she was affected by lead, they back-tracked, and found someone had dumped a car battery out in the middle of this paddock years ago, and Mrs Moo had been chewing on it.

Mind you; seeing Mrs Moo munching on a dessicated roo carcass isnt pretty; either...
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 18 Oct 2018, 6:47 pm

And that's just the accidental stuff Rod.

There is a wide range of pet products, available on Australian supermarket shelves, that have been deliberately adulterated.

I lost my last dog, a much loved Tenterfield Terrier, to a condition called Sudden Onset Fanconi-like Syndrome.

He had a brain injury(like his human) and was quite neurotic and a very picky eater. I finally found something he really seemed to like, a chicken jerky branded as Jerhigh Chicken Tenders.

He would scoff them and actually pester me for more. Being a terminal sook with my dogs, I gave him all he wanted.

Almost out of the blue, he became seriously ill with what turned out to be terminal kidney failure, brought about by nodules of a plastic like substance forming in the tubules of his kidneys.

Remember the 300,000 Chinese babies who came down with sudden kidney failure in 2008? The cause of the Chinese lust for Australian baby formula?
This happened when melamine, a pesticide residue used to manufacture plastic was put into the milk.
Melamine, when added to a food product will return a falsely high protein level when the product is tested, allowing low quality produce to be sold as high quality.

This is still going on. Over 7,000 dogs in the US and 1,000 in Australia have died because of this and nobody seems to give a toss.

I contacted the supermarket, they weren't interested, I asked my vet for a report of the results of the necropsy I had him perform, he refused to put his name to it for fear of reprisal.

We have lethally toxic pet products on sale here purely to spread our cheeks to China.

Many of us may have a cheap laugh at Homer's socialist conspiracy theories, myself included, but there is a definite threat from our own politicians, right and left, bowing to expediency where low quality Chinese imports are concerned.

My apologies for digressing a pistol related thread.
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Re: Revolver or semi style pistol your favourite?

Post by Boo » 20 Oct 2018, 8:29 am

Well that put a brake on things LOL.

One thing about 22's failing to fire, both pistols and revolvers use firing pins so there is no difference there. also 22's are much more likely to fail than centre fires due to the detonator arrangement.
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Re: Revolver or semi style pistol your favourite?

Post by bladeracer » 20 Oct 2018, 10:12 am

Boo wrote:Well that put a brake on things LOL.

One thing about 22's failing to fire, both pistols and revolvers use firing pins so there is no difference there. also 22's are much more likely to fail than centre fires due to the detonator arrangement.


Revolvers will usually have more force due to the length of the hammer.
Yes, the biggest deficiency in rim fire ammo is the inconsistent priming.
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