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Anyone fired an automatic pistol overseas etc.?

Post by stevy » 21 Apr 2017, 3:14 pm

Stupid post here but anyway :lol:

Binge watching some action flicks at home today, a few auto glocks and such are getting waved around.

Anyone fired one while they were in the USA or somewhere? I just wonder seeing them recoil from blanks in movies, I assume IRL will be worse. Seems like you'd be spraying for metres firing such a beastie.

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Post by brett1868 » 21 Apr 2017, 3:50 pm

Not yet but I'm heading to California, Colorado & New Mexico on June 24th for what is essentially a gun porn road trip :) Already lined up a tour of Weatherby Inc in California which is friggen awesome, 5280 Armoury in Denver for machine gun rentals, Dragon Man in Colorado Springs for more guns topped off by me competing in the FCSA 50BMG world championships at the NRA Whittington center at Raton NM. I plan to post as many pictures and videos as possible but if any of the machine guns at 5280armory appeal to you, let me know and ill see if I can video one in action.

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Post by No1Mk3 » 21 Apr 2017, 4:06 pm

Overseas? Fired one here many years ago, Broomhandle Mauser, bloody spectacular and it would be very effective for it's designed purpose of clearing trenches or rooms,
When fitted to it's buttstock it can be a reasonably accurate carbine, even in auto, out to about 75 yards or so. Bloke who owned it could burst fire most rounds onto a 100 yd target.
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Post by Boo » 24 Apr 2017, 5:34 pm

Sounds like a plan brett, a very good plan, enjoy.

The mention of pics reminded me of the flak a couple of Aussie swimmers copped for posing with guns, what a judgmental bunch some of us are.
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Post by GLS_1956 » 25 Apr 2017, 1:51 am

Well stevy there is no such thing as a stupid question, when the question is honestly asked. I've never fired a full auto firearm in my life, however a deceased cousin was career military, US Marines (Vietnam), and later US Army (Rangers/Special forces). this cousin's final duties had him involved with evaluating weapons from around the globe, when I asked him about submachineguns his opinion was the British Sterling was the best in service, he then brought up the machine pistols from Czechoslavia and one the Soviets had. Both he said were better noise makers than fighting guns.
I've been asked: "How many guns do you need to have?" My answer remains the same: "One more."
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Post by Gun-nut » 25 Apr 2017, 9:19 pm

GLS_1956 wrote:Well stevy there is no such thing as a stupid question, when the question is honestly asked. I've never fired a full auto firearm in my life, however a deceased cousin was career military, US Marines (Vietnam), and later US Army (Rangers/Special forces). this cousin's final duties had him involved with evaluating weapons from around the globe, when I asked him about submachineguns his opinion was the British Sterling was the best in service, he then brought up the machine pistols from Czechoslavia and one the Soviets had. Both he said were better noise makers than fighting guns.


Did he speak on his thoughts of the German mp5?
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Post by duncan61 » 25 Apr 2017, 9:26 pm

Shot a .45 cal 6 gun black powder in England it was super accurate
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Post by Gun-nut » 25 Apr 2017, 9:31 pm

duncan61 wrote:Shot a .45 cal 6 gun black powder in England it was super accurate


The British gun laws are worse than ours in many instances...that is one of them.
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Post by duncan61 » 25 Apr 2017, 9:35 pm

Father in law had a gun club in Portsmouth but yes very restricted in U.K. I wished to buy some of them fancy looking blue projectiles in 7 mm and was not even allowed to touch them.There are lots of forests to hunt in but its expensive
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Post by GLS_1956 » 26 Apr 2017, 11:03 am

Gun-nut wrote:
GLS_1956 wrote:Well stevy there is no such thing as a stupid question, when the question is honestly asked. I've never fired a full auto firearm in my life, however a deceased cousin was career military, US Marines (Vietnam), and later US Army (Rangers/Special forces). this cousin's final duties had him involved with evaluating weapons from around the globe, when I asked him about submachineguns his opinion was the British Sterling was the best in service, he then brought up the machine pistols from Czechoslavia and one the Soviets had. Both he said were better noise makers than fighting guns.


Did he speak on his thoughts of the German mp5?


He did. He had high regards for the HK for accuracy and as a silenced gun, or as he put it, "Special applications" the gun was great, but he didn't feel it was as good as a combat sub gun as the Sterling. Since the HK fires from a closed bolt, which aids accuracy and assists in silencing the gun, it also can, and in tests as well as use during the Grenadian invasion, where it was used by Army Rangers, lead to cook-offs during sustained fire. The same problem occured with the Colt M-16 based 9mm submachine gun.
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Post by Keltec » 12 May 2017, 11:17 pm

Agree stupid post, however

Yes ,was in ADF 12 years and take my H&K USP 9mmcamping in South Africa every 2 years
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Post by wanneroo » 01 Jun 2017, 2:09 am

There are plenty of machine gun rental places in the USA. I have a vendor I use frequently for rentals and we have machine guns at work, so occasionally I get to shoot at work too. Some point soon I am going to try to qualify on the M-240 and M-249.

Yes I have shot a full auto Glock with 33 round magazines. It's actually very controllable and accurate if you know what you are doing. I would not put it in the hands of someone inexperienced or with weak arms. It's a machine gun I would start someone out on with five round magazines and work from there.

In terms of submachine guns, the MP5 is very good. I have shot standard MP5's in 9mm, 40 cal, 10 mm, and suppressed in 9mm. The MP5/10 was actually a former FBI gun a police dept acquired and then the dealer acquired it from the police dept. Very few of the FBI guns around so it was fun to shoot that. The 10 mm was harder to keep on target and bounced around more.

The Walther MPK is another good one. The H&K MP5 stole it's thunder in 1964 so the Walther was a dud in the marketplace, but it is still a good gun to shoot.

The Uzi I would say is a let down. It feels like a sewing machine with it's cyclic rate. It's alright but not what I thought it would be.

Probably the most fun of all submachine guns is the Thompson in 45 ACP. Super fun.
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Post by wanneroo » 01 Jun 2017, 2:21 am

brett1868 wrote:Not yet but I'm heading to California, Colorado & New Mexico on June 24th for what is essentially a gun porn road trip :) Already lined up a tour of Weatherby Inc in California which is friggen awesome, 5280 Armoury in Denver for machine gun rentals, Dragon Man in Colorado Springs for more guns topped off by me competing in the FCSA 50BMG world championships at the NRA Whittington center at Raton NM. I plan to post as many pictures and videos as possible but if any of the machine guns at 5280armory appeal to you, let me know and ill see if I can video one in action.

https://5280armory.com/shooting-range/

http://www.dragonmans.com/

http://www.nrawc.org/


Thanks for pointing out the 5280 range. Looks new and since I visit Colorado once a year to visit family I will have to try that out as they have some guns I have not shot yet.

Looking through their list, I would recommend the M-60 for certain. That's my favorite machine gun of all. The FN SCAR in 7.62 NATO I can tell you is a beast to keep on target so be aware of that. The AK's are fun to shoot full auto but they bounce around a bit and beat the crap out of your shoulder. The M-16s are a lot of fun in full auto, very controllable, easy to keep on target with a good rate of fire. I have shot the HK G36K and it's a nice machine gun to shoot. Have fun, bring money as machine guns eat up the $$$ and report back what you shot.
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Post by wrenchman » 01 Jun 2017, 2:23 am

i have never shot a full auto pistol i have just thought it woul be hard to control now i am thinking i might try it
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Post by Gwion » 01 Jun 2017, 7:37 am

Excuse my ignorance but can someone explain the difference between a "machine gun" (assuming full auto) and a "sub-machine gun" (again assuming also full auto). It's not my thing and the terminology has me a bit baffled.

I get the difference between "semi auto", "select fire" and "automatic"; what is a "sub-machine gun"?
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Post by brett1868 » 01 Jun 2017, 7:42 am

Gwion wrote:Excuse my ignorance but can someone explain the difference between a "machine gun" (assuming full auto) and a "sub-machine gun" (again assuming also full auto). It's not my thing and the terminology has me a bit baffled.

I get the difference between "semi auto", "select fire" and "automatic"; what is a "sub-machine gun"?


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Post by Gwion » 01 Jun 2017, 7:49 am

Ah... Cheers. Seems to make sense now. :)
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Post by sebrule » 01 Jun 2017, 10:49 am

sungazer wrote:Not pistols but AR and Machine gun. I have fired several times on full auto M16 and AK47 both on a bipod and freehand. Then one to debunk movies was the M60 as used by Arnold in Terminator Fired this full auto on bipod No Fing way you could fire this one handed. I was leaning into it standing up and it would push you back over a course of fire until no longer on target and I would have to reset.


YouTube has a few videos on people firing the m60 one handed I remember seeing a guy doing it it in each hand before
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Post by wanneroo » 02 Jun 2017, 4:36 am

wrenchman wrote:i have never shot a full auto pistol i have just thought it woul be hard to control now i am thinking i might try it


I wouldn't recommend it to someone new to firearms or not used to shooting pistols well. For myself I find the Glock full auto easy to hold on target but then I have a lot of experience and know what to expect. If you shoot one, I would start with a magazine of a few rounds and see how it is first before you go a full mag.
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Post by wanneroo » 02 Jun 2017, 4:39 am

bentaz wrote:All those things are fun, but the novelty of loading large magazines and cleaning machine guns wears off quick in my opinion!


It's like running an exotic car or racing car, it's fast and fun, but you will go through tons of parts and money, as well as ammo too. That's why here in the USA, realistically due to the prices of transferable machine guns, visit a rental range, let someone else have all the hassle of maintaining them.
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Post by wanneroo » 02 Jun 2017, 4:49 am

sungazer wrote:Not pistols but AR and Machine gun. I have fired several times on full auto M16 and AK47 both on a bipod and freehand. Then one to debunk movies was the M60 as used by Arnold in Terminator Fired this full auto on bipod No Fing way you could fire this one handed. I was leaning into it standing up and it would push you back over a course of fire until no longer on target and I would have to reset.


It can be shot one handed if you have the muscles of Ahnold or Rambo, not that you would hit much, probably. Especially easier if it's the E3 or E6 model which is about 5 pounds lighter. Personally myself I usually shoot it from the hip two handed.

The thing to remember with the 60 is that it tends to jump up high and right about the third and fourth round.

In actual practice anyways with current US military doctrine, these types of belt fed machines are usually fired in 3 or 5 round bursts at a time, usually at least two machine gun fire teams working in unison. Not to say they will not run a 50 or 100 belt through in certain situations, but mostly the guns are used to fire bursts.
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Post by Bark » 30 Jun 2017, 1:30 pm

A submachine gun (SMG) is a magazine-fed, automatic carbine designed to fire pistol cartridges. The term "submachine gun" was coined by John T. Thompson, the inventor of the Thompson submachine gun.


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Post by Wombat » 30 Jun 2017, 5:56 pm

wanneroo wrote:
sungazer wrote:Not pistols but AR and Machine gun. I have fired several times on full auto M16 and AK47 both on a bipod and freehand. Then one to debunk movies was the M60 as used by Arnold in Terminator Fired this full auto on bipod No Fing way you could fire this one handed. I was leaning into it standing up and it would push you back over a course of fire until no longer on target and I would have to reset.


It can be shot one handed if you have the muscles of Ahnold or Rambo, not that you would hit much, probably. Especially easier if it's the E3 or E6 model which is about 5 pounds lighter. Personally myself I usually shoot it from the hip two handed.

The thing to remember with the 60 is that it tends to jump up high and right about the third and fourth round.

In actual practice anyways with current US military doctrine, these types of belt fed machines are usually fired in 3 or 5 round bursts at a time, usually at least two machine gun fire teams working in unison. Not to say they will not run a 50 or 100 belt through in certain situations, but mostly the guns are used to fire bursts.

There's a post on The Firearm Blog about a Hollywood gun Auction, Arnies SPAS 12 was apparently modified for one hand action- 1474. Arnold Schwarzenegger “Terminator” Franchi SPAS-12 Shotgun Serial Number AA5876 from The Terminator.(Orion, 1984) Franchi SPAS-12 shotgun prop with serial number AB3482 with folding stock and modified to shoot blank rounds. Highly visible when the “Terminator” (Schwarzenegger) uses the shotgun to steal weapons from a gun store clerk. The folding stock was removed for use in the unforgettable chaotic and deadly, “I’ll be back” scene at the police station. The property master rigged the rear sling mount with a black cord that attached to the wrist, allowing Schwarzenegger to bear the weight of the gun with one hand. The sling mount was broken off and the bolt charging handle was removed by the armorer division of the prop house after production for use in a subsequent production. In very good condition. Comes with an LOA from the Property Master and prop house.If shipped to the U.S., shipping must be arranged through a federal firearms licensed dealer. $20,000 – $30,000

Given that I imagine there is some trickery involved with the M60 use too..
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Post by Ed9362 » 30 Jun 2017, 9:05 pm

Fun fact....... guns recoil in the opposite direction in the northern hemispherse
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Post by bullzeye » 03 Jul 2017, 11:43 am

Had no reason to shoot automatic pistols when machine guns are on offer :-)
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Post by brett1868 » 03 Jul 2017, 1:17 pm

A few videos from "Gun Porn 2017", not quite automatic pistol but still automatic and cool as 5hit to shoot :)

M16
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j00-vdO7igs

AK47
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H&K MP9
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Post by Hugh » 11 Nov 2017, 9:52 am

I have visited the Gun Store in Las Vegas,fired the 50 Desert eagle and M 16 but the M16 was that worn out the bullets were hitting paper sideways at 20 yards probably lucky to hit paper,quite an experience with armed guards in carkpark[mind you I went to a market in Cal that had same]all instructors armed and all staff behind counter armed.Group next to me asked what would happen if somebody ran amok in there,instructor grabbed a empty mag threw it into the range and whipped out his pistol and gave a very good John Wayne impression knocking the mag to the end of the range in very rapid fire.I visited another in west Yellowstone called The Big Gun here the weapons where in top order MP 5 and The Thompson 45 were my choice,at 25 yards not a bullet missed the paper[40cmx30cm]prompting instructor to comment i should have done it for a living,i asked him where do I apply for that job.
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Post by wanneroo » 22 Dec 2017, 1:55 am

This year I fired some full auto machine guns I had never shot before. FN FAL, Steyr AUG, 1943 Sten Mark 3, FN P90, M-16 chambered in 458 SOCOM. Also reshot the M-60, AK-47, M-16, MP5/10, M1A1 Thompson.

The Steyr AUG is of course the basis for the Australian military battle rifle. I found it quite easy to shoot full auto and would like to buy one of the new Lithgow versions they are bringing to the USA(semi auto only).
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