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Post by Oldbloke » 09 Jul 2018, 7:06 pm

Full Face. Without question.
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Post by magnum56 » 09 Jul 2018, 9:55 pm

brett1868 wrote:I managed to high side my Hayabusa some years ago and if not for the helmet it would has been a hearse ride instead of an ambulance. Point of impact was the forehead at roughly 90kph knocking me senseless then unconscious before some gravel surfing. Sustained some serious injuries and spent a week in the intensive care ward of RPAH Camperdown. On a positive note the damage to my right shoulder and subsequent rebuild has made me virtually impervious to recoil pain :lol:

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Having said that, I've had people say that spinal injuries are more likely with a full face helmet and it's easier to rebuild a face then a spine....something to ponder I guess.


Holy s**t, after stacking a Hayabusa, you probably should give up buying lottery tickets, that is one hell of a monster machine, I love the sound of them, a bloke I know put one of those motors into a single seat Finke buggy, you could hear him coming for miles, :thumbsup:
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Post by Sarco » 09 Jul 2018, 10:46 pm

Having been a motorcycle rider for 45+ years, I have had open face, full face and flip fronts.

I prefer to use a flip front for the convenience and that is what I use, currently a Schuberth C4.
However, you must be selective, as to fit and also many flip fronts are quite noisy especially when compared to full face.
There is no way I would ever go back to open face, for noise, weather protection and safety reasons.
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Post by bladeracer » 09 Jul 2018, 10:48 pm

magnum56 wrote:Holy s**t, after stacking a Hayabusa, you probably should give up buying lottery tickets, that is one hell of a monster machine, I love the sound of them, a bloke I know put one of those motors into a single seat Finke buggy, you could hear him coming for miles, :thumbsup:


We had Shawn Giles over in Perth doing rider training days. He and his mate (can't recall his name now) were expecting to have GSXR's, but all the local dealers could supply were a demo 'Busa and GSX1400, neither of which are particularly useful for teaching other riders racing techniques. But I scored the job of mounting my cameras on Shawn's 'Busa. He would come onto the front straight and smoke the thing all the way to the braking area at the end of it :-)
I still have the videos somewhere. If you picked up a cheap ex-demo bike in Perth in 2005, it may well have been thrashed around Wanneroo for two solid days :-)

I considered it a totally wasted "training" day for those that had payed a few hundred dollars for the privilege of some coaching by our best racers, but it was fun for those of us that were not paying to be there.
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Post by Lorgar » 21 Jul 2018, 4:26 pm

Thanks for all the feedback folks.

Going to go full face.

Having thought on it a bit, and gear in general, what's the point of safety gear if you half-ass it, right?

Same for the rest of the outfit.

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Post by yoshie » 21 Jul 2018, 5:35 pm

Full face for me, a mate of my uncle lost part of his chin after hitting the road with his face wearing an open face helmet. Maybe a flip up if it had a super heavy duty clip or latch. Some of the flip ups ive seen flip up too easy.
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Post by Baronvonrort » 22 Jul 2018, 1:11 pm

I would only use full face. That said the weight of the helmet is also something to consider lighter ones are better when it comes to whiplash injuries.
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Post by Chronos » 23 Jul 2018, 7:58 am

Always wore a full face just because I had a mate who hit a cicada doing 130 and it nearly took him off the bike. Figured an open face bird strike would end badly. Lol

From memory there’s little statistically to show a difference in safety however you meet a lot of racers who break collar bones which I’m told (by an actual maxillo facial and reconstructive surgeon) is a factor in protecting the neck, the chin bar strikes the collar bone breaking it but saving the neck.

Besides I ride more focused with the visor down and ear plugs in on a big bike

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Post by Sarco » 23 Jul 2018, 10:31 pm

Oh No! Chronos
You mentioned the No.3 issue of motorcyclists (ear plugs). 1 = Tyres; 2 = helmets; 3 = ear pluigs
There have been quite a number of studies done. 100Kph, full face helmet = approx. 123db.
Take it from one who after 45 years of motorcycling WEAR EAR PLUGS regardless of the type of helmet that you use. Approx 45% deterioration of hearing, however, now, I still ALWAYS wear ear plugs when riding, mowing the lawns, sawing up firewood, using compressed air tools etc.
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Post by Cryptic » 23 Jul 2018, 11:40 pm

Chronos wrote:Always wore a full face just because I had a mate who hit a cicada doing 130 and it nearly took him off the bike. Figured an open face bird strike would end badly. Lol

From memory there’s little statistically to show a difference in safety however you meet a lot of racers who break collar bones which I’m told (by an actual maxillo facial and reconstructive surgeon) is a factor in protecting the neck, the chin bar strikes the collar bone breaking it but saving the neck.

Besides I ride more focused with the visor down and ear plugs in on a big bike

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I nailed what I think was one of them big bastard black water beetle things at 100k going through a swampy area few months back with open face. It hit and glanced off left cheek and F did it sting.
Still like my open for the short trips to work as its a quick and slow paced trip but will stick to the full for distance riding in future, or swamp areas :lol:
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Post by Chronos » 24 Jul 2018, 7:59 am

Sarco wrote:Oh No! Chronos
You mentioned the No.3 issue of motorcyclists (ear plugs). 1 = Tyres; 2 = helmets; 3 = ear pluigs
There have been quite a number of studies done. 100Kph, full face helmet = approx. 123db.
Take it from one who after 45 years of motorcycling WEAR EAR PLUGS regardless of the type of helmet that you use. Approx 45% deterioration of hearing, however, now, I still ALWAYS wear ear plugs when riding, mowing the lawns, sawing up firewood, using compressed air tools etc.
The scariest advice ever received from an audiologist - learn sign language/lipreading or wear ear plugs.



Move all those down one on the list and put training at the top imho. Too many riders think they can learn everything they need just riding around the streets. Imho skills and reactions need to be trained and practiced, a lot of guys relying on ABS to keep them upright in an unplanned hard braking situation

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Post by Sarco » 24 Jul 2018, 8:17 pm

Chronos wrote:
Sarco wrote:Oh No! Chronos
You mentioned the No.3 issue of motorcyclists (ear plugs). 1 = Tyres; 2 = helmets; 3 = ear pluigs
There have been quite a number of studies done. 100Kph, full face helmet = approx. 123db.
Take it from one who after 45 years of motorcycling WEAR EAR PLUGS regardless of the type of helmet that you use. Approx 45% deterioration of hearing, however, now, I still ALWAYS wear ear plugs when riding, mowing the lawns, sawing up firewood, using compressed air tools etc.
The scariest advice ever received from an audiologist - learn sign language/lipreading or wear ear plugs.



Move all those down one on the list and put training at the top imho. Too many riders think they can learn everything they need just riding around the streets. Imho skills and reactions need to be trained and practiced, a lot of guys relying on ABS to keep them upright in an unplanned hard braking situation

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While I totally agree, ongoing training should be high on the agenda for all motorcyclists and at all levels of experience, and particularly for those returning to motorcycling after long breaks, it is not a topic talked about a lot by motorcyclists on motorcycle forums, though certainly it should be.

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Post by Lorgar » 13 Aug 2018, 8:42 pm

Some progress made on this.

The Shoei GT-Air is looking like the helmet for me. Full face and feeling like the best fit for me. That'll be the one.
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Post by Supaduke » 13 Aug 2018, 10:13 pm

Best bits of advice I can give after 20+ years of riding bikes.

- Don't be a tight ass with tyres, it's all that seperates you from disaster.

- All the gear, all the time.

- Never exceed 80% of your ability on the road, never seek your limits. Go at a good pace and be satisfied.

- Lift your head, look up the road, see what's going on.

-Never split lanes at a speed of 15kph more than the other traffic. Give yourself a chance if someone does something silly.

- There is no such thing as a 'minor' accident on a bike. They will always be expensive and/or painful. Go to great lengths to keep it rubber side down.

-Ever hear someone say if describing an accident "Had no choice man, had to lay it down".They are nubs, Never lay your bike down. Stay on till the bitter end. If seperated from your bike you become nothing more than a missle. All the tools to avoid or reduce the severity of a collision are on your bike.

-In a group, ride at your own pace, or find others that ride at a pace you are comfortable with.

- Accept you are hard to see and many drivers are not as motorcycle aware as you would like. Make yourself visible, don't sit in blind spots.

-Trust no one. Don't cruise around with the attitude " He SHOULD stop, I have right of way, I'm going through". Make sure cars see you. A good trick is to wiggle your headlight (the flashing light draws the eye) if you suspect a car might not have seen you yet.

-Give other riders the nod when passing by, even Harley riders (They will often ignore you if you are not riding a Harley)

-If not riding a Harley, prepare yourself for the eye rolling and scoffing of Harley riders if you mention your ride at work etc. . Then ,if you dare, mention that your bike was a third of the price and is vastly superior in all technical aspects such as speed, handling, braking, fuel economy. This will be followed by " My mate's got a Harley that's had the motor worked, would thrash your bike on the quarter" . So you need to drop $10k-$30k to get a Harley going reasonably quick in a straight line.

- I like Harley's , everyone relax.

- Enjoy the comraderie that only Bikers know.
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Post by Wombat » 13 Aug 2018, 10:28 pm

All the above Plus-

Scan, dont keep you eyes still for an extended period of time.
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Target fixation - you will go where you are looking, so if things get tricky look at your escape route not the bastard trying to kill you.
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Post by Chronos » 14 Aug 2018, 8:42 am

Supaduke wrote:-Ever hear someone say if describing an accident "Had no choice man, had to lay it down".They are nubs, Never lay your bike down. Stay on till the bitter end. If seperated from your bike you become nothing more than a missle. All the tools to avoid or reduce the severity of a collision are on your bike.



"Had no choice man, had to lay it down" is code for "I wasn't paying attention and was caught out by something I should have seen 2 seconds earlier, got a fright, grabbed a handful of front brake and spat out the front wheel".....I know because I've done it myself on auto pilot coming home from work

There's a reason the training places teach what they do, it works. Set up and squeeze, as Wombat said you have way more braking capacity than people give bikes credit for.

Also I laugh when I hear about Harleys with pipes, intake mods, etc that take power outputs up to "over 100BHP" :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by bladeracer » 14 Aug 2018, 8:52 am

Chronos wrote:Also I laugh when I hear about Harleys with pipes, intake mods, etc that take power outputs up to "over 100BHP" :lol: :lol: :lol:

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BHP is measured at the crankshaft so it _might_ be possible.
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 14 Aug 2018, 9:51 am

bladeracer wrote:
Chronos wrote:Also I laugh when I hear about Harleys with pipes, intake mods, etc that take power outputs up to "over 100BHP" :lol: :lol: :lol:

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BHP is measured at the crankshaft so it _might_ be possible.


I think his point was that stock Japanese bikes have been making more than that since the 80s.

I had a 1980 Kawasaki Z1R that was 90hp out of the showroom and with some minor mods was over 100 waaaay back then.
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