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Full-face vs flip-face or clip-face helmets

Post by Lorgar » 08 Jul 2018, 6:13 pm

G'day all,

I've just got my bike learners permit, starting from scratch with this endeavour so need the lot in terms of gear so any advice in general appreciated, but specifically a helmet query at this point.

I'll be riding a road bike/on the road. No trail riding.

In terms of protection, what are peoples thoughts on one-piece full-face helmets vs the flip and clip over options?

By its nature any 2 piece design makes it weaker, but I have no experience/sense of how much that is.

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Post by bladeracer » 08 Jul 2018, 6:35 pm

I prefer full-face lids, but I have owned two flip-ups.
I crashed on the racetrack with a flip-up lid that saved my life, a high-speed hit from behind by another bike. It was split from the centre left bottom edge right up to the centre of the top, but the flip-up front stayed closed, and the lid stayed on my head. I wouldn't have any fears wearing one again. I was concussed of course, and had other serious injuries, but my noggin was intact.
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Post by Mitch » 08 Jul 2018, 6:49 pm

Personally i prefer full face. The protection is worth it in my opinion.
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Post by brett1868 » 08 Jul 2018, 7:00 pm

I managed to high side my Hayabusa some years ago and if not for the helmet it would has been a hearse ride instead of an ambulance. Point of impact was the forehead at roughly 90kph knocking me senseless then unconscious before some gravel surfing. Sustained some serious injuries and spent a week in the intensive care ward of RPAH Camperdown. On a positive note the damage to my right shoulder and subsequent rebuild has made me virtually impervious to recoil pain :lol:

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Having said that, I've had people say that spinal injuries are more likely with a full face helmet and it's easier to rebuild a face then a spine....something to ponder I guess.
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Post by Wombat » 08 Jul 2018, 8:25 pm

I've put scrapes on the chinbar of several full face helmets, but still have open and flip type helmets.
The best protection is a fullface helmet that fits you properly. Try on a variety of brands as they fit different shape heads , AGV are the best fit for me.
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Post by pomemax » 08 Jul 2018, 8:26 pm

I have both and believe it when you ride with open face you ride totally different get once-piece full-face helmet until you get confidence in your ability
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Post by RoginaJack » 08 Jul 2018, 8:32 pm

What Wombat said...great advice!

Oh, and my old man said to me when I got a Bike - "if you've got a 75c head, get a 75c helmet!" :D
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Post by Supaduke » 08 Jul 2018, 11:00 pm

Get a better quality one and it doesn't really matter. I have used both. A flip up helmet can be nice for slower scenic rides. Mostly though you ride with it shut. Some people like them for riding in warmer weather. Some people don't like them because riding with them open causes buffeting. Some designs buffet more than others. Also some cheaper ones get whistling around the joins in the helmet. Past a certain price point all helmets are good quality and you really just want one that fits your head nicely. Try as many on as you can. You will know the right one when you slip your head in. Snug but not tight. Comfortable but not wriggling around. The shape of your head , shape of your body and what clothes you wear make a big difference to.the comfort of.your ride.

I had a really nice bike jacket I had to stop wearing because the way the collar sat , it deflected a fine steam of wind up the side of my nose and into my eye. Would have to constantly agjust my jacket, gave me the s**ts .
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 09 Jul 2018, 10:32 am

There's a reason motor racing pros use full-face, they are the safest.
In 1968, before the full-face became popular, my cousin's brother-in-law was making a right hand turn off Canterbury Rd in Sydney, misty rain on a greasy road and he lost front traction at 15mph and hit his chin on the ground. The subsequent coup contrecoup injury killed him instantly. Not even a bit of gravel rash, a 1" long cut on the bottom of his chin was the only visible mark on him.

As someone with a traffic related traumatic brain injury, I can tell you straight, we don't want any more members in our club, OK.
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Post by ebr love » 09 Jul 2018, 10:48 am

brett1868 wrote:Having said that, I've had people say that spinal injuries are more likely with a full face helmet and it's easier to rebuild a face then a spine....something to ponder I guess.


They're all highly qualified orthopaedic and maxillofacial surgeons, I'm sure :mrgreen:
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Post by Arth » 09 Jul 2018, 11:46 am

They're on the internet, they must be experts :lol:
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Post by Ziad » 09 Jul 2018, 12:28 pm

I have to agree, in car racing you do have option to wear full face or open face. I got a basic full face motorcycle helmet due to the above reasoning. I know many cool ppl have harnesses but unless u have a rear bar most sane ppl won't recommend harness, and then ofcourse hans device. Anyway I got side tracked.

But basically make sure you have proper leathers and shoes, any rider I see wearing jeans and slippers I shudder and pray
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Post by bladeracer » 09 Jul 2018, 3:03 pm

Ziad wrote:I have to agree, in car racing you do have option to wear full face or open face. I got a basic full face motorcycle helmet due to the above reasoning. I know many cool ppl have harnesses but unless u have a rear bar most sane ppl won't recommend harness, and then ofcourse hans device. Anyway I got side tracked.

But basically make sure you have proper leathers and shoes, any rider I see wearing jeans and slippers I shudder and pray


I thought motorcycle helmets weren't legal for car racing? They have no fire rating. The times I considered car racing I was always annoyed at having to buy yet more helmets.
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Post by Ziad » 09 Jul 2018, 3:30 pm

I dunno if changed, but about 6+ years ago, in any cams level2 event or at winston or wakefield event (which was insured through aasa) any au standard approved helmet was ok. These are club events like skylines aus or wrx etc type events. Events run on hill climb clubs were similar. No idea on state/national championships events like the sandown historic etc.

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Post by bladeracer » 09 Jul 2018, 5:14 pm

Ziad wrote:I dunno if changed, but about 6+ years ago, in any cams level2 event or at winston or wakefield event (which was insured through aasa) any au standard approved helmet was ok. These are club events like skylines aus or wrx etc type events. Events run on hill climb clubs were similar. No idea on state/national championships events like the sandown historic etc.

What car did you have


I didn't have a car, but several times I came across something that looked like it might be fun to punt around the racetrack. Even to do track days required a roll cage and extinguisher so you had to be fairly dedicated if you wanted to even try it out. Sucked when I could ride to the track on any motorcycle and do trackdays, or even race it if I wanted to. I don't know about elsewhere, but in Perth I found most car racers to be pretty obnoxious types, so I wasn't particularly interested in joining them. Very different pit atmosphere from bike racing.
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Post by Ziad » 09 Jul 2018, 5:22 pm

Yep depends on age of the drivers.... younger ones are bit like that. Middle aged ones are better... older ones drive older cars .....haha

A car like Mazda mx5 is quite cheap and you can have a lot of fun while being slow, skylines/wrx/evo are good fun, are cheap to own now and to punt around. The euro are slightly dearer. As I said all events that I participated in with cams L2 license the requirements were very simple and all road going vehicles build do. Only required working seatbelts, fire extinguisher and ofcourse brakes. Haunted hills track near moe is just awesome... plus Philip island (Not that I driven it) is one of the best tracks in aus
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Post by Ghoatman » 09 Jul 2018, 5:28 pm

I wear a flip face helmet. I prefer it because I wear glasses and I don't have to take them off to put my helmet on. :D
Also, most servos will let you leave your helmet on with the front flipped open.

I personally would lash out for a higher end flip face with decent latches. Some of the cheaper ones I wouldn't trust! I have a Schuberth C3 and a BMW System 7 Carbon currently, both really good helmets.
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Post by bladeracer » 09 Jul 2018, 6:49 pm

Ziad wrote:Yep depends on age of the drivers.... younger ones are bit like that. Middle aged ones are better... older ones drive older cars .....haha

A car like Mazda mx5 is quite cheap and you can have a lot of fun while being slow, skylines/wrx/evo are good fun, are cheap to own now and to punt around. The euro are slightly dearer. As I said all events that I participated in with cams L2 license the requirements were very simple and all road going vehicles build do. Only required working seatbelts, fire extinguisher and ofcourse brakes. Haunted hills track near moe is just awesome... plus Philip island (Not that I driven it) is one of the best tracks in aus


I think Ray Iken has told me about taking one of his Valiant's up that hill climb.
I don't get much enjoyment out of cars, although a mate had a 300ZX that had some power.
I've ridden Phillip Island, but haven't raced there. It's all flat-out on a bike so I would think I'd fall asleep in a car.
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