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Tell me about trailers and towing

Post by Wes » 11 Jul 2016, 2:17 pm

I think it's about time I got a trailer. It's not for any specific purpose so no exact requirements, I just seem to have enough little things come up where one would have been handy.

It'll be for moving the odd bit of furniture, carting a few extra bags/supplies camping if taking an extra person or two. Just that kind of stuff.

Towing vehicle is no concern, more than capable options here in the family fleet. 200kg -300kg is probably the max load I'd ever be carrying if I'm thinking right.

I have bugger all experience with trailers but these are the things I understand or have read and how the picture is coming together for me. And some questions...

1) I know this is a bit vague given there are no specific requirements 7x5 seems like about the sweet spot for size. 6x4 seems that bit too small that it will fall short often enough to be annoying. 8x5 or bigger looks pretty unwieldy for casual use.


2) A dual axle option seems to be the winner. The extra stability/safety/load capabilities look like a no-brainer. Other than an extra pair of tyres to maintain is there any downside I'm missing?


3) We've got a Redarc electric trailer brake controller installed in the 4WD (came with it, bought second hand) that really I have no idea how to use. I get it applies more or less braking force but wouldn't know the first about how to set it correctly. Documentation and searching online has proven very unhelpful for this as all the explanations I've found say what it does and to "set it to the appropriate amount" without say how to actually do any of it. Tips?


4) As far as loading the trailer goes, I see loading all the weight at the back with make the thing like a swinging wrecking ball. I guess as much as possible load the weight to be a little in front of the forward axle, this will keep weight on the wheels while reducing potential sway?


Anything else I've missed?

Thanks to the braintrust in advance :thumbsup:
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Post by brett1868 » 11 Jul 2016, 3:30 pm

A longer drawbar will make reversing a bit easier at the expense of needing more space to reverse it. Keen to see what others have to say as I'll be in the market for a trailer soon as well.
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Post by Noisydad » 11 Jul 2016, 3:43 pm

Have dealt with mass produced trailers at my last job. Most factory built trailers are built to a price - some more so than others. One brand regularly had long lengths of mig wire sticking out of welds. Most welds were only tacks and I think the paint gun passed over the trailers but it was hard to tell. We changed suppliers. What they all regard as a "heavy duty" model, I would just call a normal trailer. So if a bit better one is wanted go for a HD model. If you want a true HD trailer built it yourself or get it custom made. I built my "military duty" 7x5 tipper. If you drag them around the bush get 16" wheels and shackle type springs are better to but you may need to fit it with shock absorbers to control wallowing. Pay attention to your towing tongue height so the trailer will sit level.
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Post by Chronos » 11 Jul 2016, 3:49 pm

Your average box trailer is single axle and 750kg rated. There's a reason.

Dual axle is a PITA to mave around and is heavier as well as doubling the cost of suspension and wheel hardware.

The 750kg rating negates the need to add expensive braking systems to the trailer and even the car if you go electric brakes.

Longer is easier to reverse as Brett said and they also tow better.

my advice if you're only going to ever carry some furniture, some garden waste, a bit of camping gear or a few bikes stick to single axle and 750kg limit and save yourself about $1500

If you're likely to want to pick up a load of firewood, some landscaping supplies or drums of fuel, chemicals or other fluids go up in rating but stick with single axle.

The only reason to go dual axle IMHO is for carrying large loads like excavators or other machinery over long distances where you can chain up one axle in event of a blowout just to get it off the highway

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Post by Bosbefok » 11 Jul 2016, 4:05 pm

I have an 8x5 galvanised cage trailer. My dirt bike was too long for a 7x5. I got it second hand but in VGC for about $1200 off gumtree. Go galvanised if it will be sitting out in the weather. My needs are similar to yours and I have a single axle trailer. Not sure if rego is more on a dual axle? My rego is only $180 per year! One of the best buys ever for me. I use my trailer often.
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Re: Tell me about trailers and towing

Post by <<Genesis93>> » 11 Jul 2016, 4:36 pm

6x4 box trailer is more than enough to carry anything you'll normally need to carry, drop the front and rear gates, and 3m+ loads ok (but no longer an exempt trailer, technically), long timbers etc...provided you're aware of the load and tie down securely...if you know you're going to carry bigger heavier stuff, then go bigger.

-Plus, a smallish single axle is easily moved around by hand as necessary....

-There are instructions for the DIYer type too :thumbsup: if you're that way inclined...

-up to 3m long, up to 200kg, and not wider than towing vehicle is exempt from rego...

To register a trailer in the socialist republic of Victoria;

appointment fee $17.80
appointment transfer $17.80 (need to re-book? running late?)
inspection $28.40
rego $56.90
plate $33.00(exempt) or $17.80(light trailer)
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So, that looks like
$50.80 to plate an exempt trailer, or,
$120.90 to voluntarily register your exempt trailer register a light trailer.
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Post by Gwion » 11 Jul 2016, 6:26 pm

6x4 won't even fit a good sized 3 seater couch on it.
As others say, a longer draw bar is a lot easier to back with more lee way before jack knifing. 8x5 is as small as I would go. The extra size is bugger all in storage space but a BIG difference in usefulness. You probably don't need tandem but something the size you're after will be movable by hand with no load.
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Post by Supaduke » 11 Jul 2016, 7:25 pm

One thing to consider when buying a trailer, if you get a large one. Where are you going to store it. Like caravans, they aren't used often and can take up a lot of bloody room. As mentioned a single axle is sufficient for most domestic stuff and much easier to move around. Caged trailers seem to be much more versatile as well. Just high sides, no roof. Unless you really plan to tow some weight, a dual axle is wasteful and expensive. And you are correct when you mention putting the load forward.
As for reversing, you can't truly have your man card endorsed until you can back a trailer.

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I've been involved in the trucking industry for a long time, a little tip. Many shorter ropes are far better than one long one.
Buy some rope , measure the width of the trailer, add about 6ft then cut. Get yourself a small sports bag, put your ropes, shackles, trailer lead, ratchet straps etc all in the 'trailer bag' .
Learn how to tie a clove hitch and a truckers hitch. Unsafe load restraint really irks me and I see some true abominations.
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Post by Chronos » 11 Jul 2016, 7:39 pm

Supaduke wrote:One thing to consider when buying a trailer, if you get a large one. Where are you going to store it. Like caravans, they aren't used often and can take up a lot of bloody room. As mentioned a single axle is sufficient for most domestic stuff and much easier to move around. Caged trailers seem to be much more versatile as well. Just high sides, no roof. Unless you really plan to tow some weight, a dual axle is wasteful and expensive. And you are correct when you mention putting the load forward.
As for reversing, you can't truly have your man card endorsed until you can back a trailer.

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I've been involved in the trucking industry for a long time, a little tip. Many shorter ropes are far better than one long one.
Buy some rope , measure the width of the trailer, add about 6ft then cut. Get yourself a small sports bag, put your ropes, shackles, trailer lead, ratchet straps etc all in the 'trailer bag' .
Learn how to tie a clove hitch and a truckers hitch. Unsafe load restraint really irks me and I see some true abominations.


Hahahaha. If you can't tie knots, tie lots :lol:

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Post by Supaduke » 11 Jul 2016, 7:47 pm

I honestly believe towing a caravan or trailer should require an endorsement on your license. Maybe a 1 hour safety course, for free, to teach people the fundamentals of towing a trailer and restraining a load correctly.

I see it all the time, grey nomads are the worst. Brand spanking 4wd, huge brand new caravan, and can't even keep the bloody thing in their lane.
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Post by Noisydad » 11 Jul 2016, 8:00 pm

Supaduke wrote:Learn how to tie a clove hitch and a truckers hitch. Unsafe load restraint really irks me and I see some true abominations.

I teach my scouts to tie clove hitchs one handed while blindfolded and Spring tests on them with all their rope work too! You'd be surprised how many adults can't it
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Post by Die Judicii » 11 Jul 2016, 8:53 pm

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Longer drawbars also assist in preventing / minimising sway, as well as being easier to reverse.

Some cheap arse trailers have the axle mounted under the springs. Avoid these at any cost.
They are actually illegal by Australian standards. Quite a few are sold here in Qld.
If you happen to lose or break U Bolts the axle and wheels have nothing to stop them flying out the back and into some-ones windscreen.

The legal ones have the axle above the springs, and thus fully contained in event of accidental breakage.

If you plan on going off road, it's a good idea to get the trailer axle/s to match the width of the towing vehicle.
That way when in loose sand or mud, you are pulling the trailer in the tracks already laid by the towing vehicle, and not bulldozing or otherwise struggling to make their own tracks.
End result,,,,,, much easier on the towing vehicle, less fuel used, and you go further without necessarily getting bogged down.

Heres a trailer you might be interested in that I built.
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Post by Die Judicii » 11 Jul 2016, 9:13 pm

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Same trailer also takes the full sized army troop carrier tarp and hoops.
Absolutely magic for camping in, or as was the case when this pic was taken, shifting house.
It was choc a bloc full right up to the top with furniture, just after a 3rd 1,500 klm trip.
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Post by <<Genesis93>> » 11 Jul 2016, 10:17 pm

YOU.... are a crafty bugger.... :thumbsup:
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Post by franc » 12 Jul 2016, 11:29 am

Not to highjack but how does an average trailer go off road too?

Will a normal single axel survive getting pulled up tracks by a 4WD or do you need something a trailer build for off road suspension etc.

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Post by Supaduke » 12 Jul 2016, 12:00 pm

Depends how hard core you are talking. Big angles will need higher ground clearance on your trailer or will be dragging its arse or bottoming it out on the draw bar over humps. Also a standard ball joint coupling will not like big angles either , you would want a Uni type joint. For off road you also want the trailer to have the same stud pattern as your fourby.
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Post by Die Judicii » 12 Jul 2016, 7:30 pm

franc wrote:Not to highjack but how does an average trailer go off road too?

Will a normal single axel survive getting pulled up tracks by a 4WD or do you need something a trailer build for off road suspension etc.

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Without going into "specialtys", to answer your question,,,,,, generally speaking a normal single axle trailer will perform reasonably well off road, as long as your not taking things to the extreme whereas a dedicated off road trailer would then of course be a wiser choice.
Also, generally speaking single axle trailers are mostly preferred for any off road work.
Single axles are much easier to pull through sand, mud, etc than a tandem is. :thumbsup:
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Post by Redwood » 13 Jul 2016, 11:54 am

Die Judicii wrote:Longer drawbars also assist in preventing / minimising sway


They do? That's interesting, it seems counter intuitive and that a longer bar would mean less control at the far end from the vehicle.

(says the non-expert)
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Post by Arth » 13 Jul 2016, 12:06 pm

The extra length makes it more stable and smooths out movement as I understand it, doesn't jink around like a short one does.
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Post by Supaduke » 13 Jul 2016, 1:47 pm

Good old fashioned leverage, longer draw bars are slower to react. Makes them easier to back as well. Large turning circle on your vehicle plus short draw bar means it's hard to 'chase' your trailer when reversing
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Post by sbd3927 » 13 Jul 2016, 6:42 pm

Bosbefok wrote:I have an 8x5 galvanised cage trailer. My dirt bike was too long for a 7x5. I got it second hand but in VGC for about $1200 off gumtree. Go galvanised if it will be sitting out in the weather. My needs are similar to yours and I have a single axle trailer. Not sure if rego is more on a dual axle? My rego is only $180 per year! One of the best buys ever for me. I use my trailer often.


$180!!!! Looks like us mexicans have one thing right then. Trailer reg is about $50..... $56
https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/registr ... ation-fees

If the trailer is narrower than the towing vehicle, and less than 3m (from memory, check) then it doesn't need to be registered at all. For once in a blue moon, light loads, maybe it would work. Read about overhang limits for your state too. Trailer doesn't mean the vehicle can have something on the roof hanging 2m behind etc.
https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/registr ... gistration

Read up on it, and factor into your investment. I agree with the galvanised message in the thread, and the heavy duty.. but sounds like you need a light duty. free rego, write the car reg number on some blackboard paint... that wont rust out in 5 years.

PS. If you have a 4wd or somesuch with serious bullbar, a tow ball on the front makes pushing a trailer into tight spaces child's play. Well worth setting up, this enables moving a trailer with inch precision, and you can see everything in front of you too!
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Post by Die Judicii » 13 Jul 2016, 6:56 pm

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$180!!!! Looks like us mexicans have one thing right then. Trailer reg is about $50..... $56
https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/registr ... ation-fees


It certainly varies,,,,
I know for a fact that my triaxle (photos in this thread) costs more than double to register in Qld compared to the Sth Aus rego of the same trailer. :thumbsdown:
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Post by on_one_wheel » 13 Jul 2016, 11:40 pm

I went shopping for a off road trailer and was surprised at how much you can pay for a well built trailer. Like Noisydad said, tgere is plenty of junk out there.

I've decided to build my own by copying what Treg Trailers make.

I'm making it 7 x 5 so the wheel track is exactly the same as my Nissan Patrol.
That makes it easy to reverse as you can see it when it'sin a straight line and it will travel well in my own ruts.

Here's what I'm using. I stole this list from the Treg website.

1.6 mm zinc anneal steel body
Zinc anneal smooth plate deck
7 floor supports (Galvanised RHS)
TREG poly block coupling
HD 2.5 ton axle / braked
1500kg x 9 leaf floating shackle springs
High tensile 50 x 50 x 3mm galvanised square tube chassis and cross members
Reinforced rear drop down tailgate with chain, fixed front
L.E.D. lights protected in 3mm galv. steel channel
Side gusseted with 3mm plate & tie rails all around 75 x 50 x 3mm galvanised rect. tube drawbar
Heavy duty taper roller bearings (light truck type)
Matching rims and stud pattern to my Nissan
Electronic brakes
New Off Road tyres (7.50 x 16 x 8ply)
Hammer finish paint

Note the 2.5 ton axle with light truck bearings and 1.5 ton springs.

She'll be rated at .1.5 ton but built to take a absolute pounding and with electronic brakes I'll have full control even when reversing down hill.
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Post by Mitch » 14 Jul 2016, 4:57 am

sbd3927 wrote:
Bosbefok wrote:I have an 8x5 galvanised cage trailer. My dirt bike was too long for a 7x5. I got it second hand but in VGC for about $1200 off gumtree. Go galvanised if it will be sitting out in the weather. My needs are similar to yours and I have a single axle trailer. Not sure if rego is more on a dual axle? My rego is only $180 per year! One of the best buys ever for me. I use my trailer often.


$180!!!! Looks like us mexicans have one thing right then. Trailer reg is about $50..... $56
https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/registr ... ation-fees!


In qld a light trailer is about $80 (yes still more than 50) But a light trailer is <750kg ATM. My camper that I built myself for instance is rated at 1.6T, and my renewal is ~$182
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Post by <<Genesis93>> » 14 Jul 2016, 10:13 am

Talk about a scam.... I reckon the rego for a private trailer should be NOTHING. Maybe a nominal plate fee... certainly not $180 to tow around a little trailer with no COMMERCIAL purpose or use.... ust like PTAs, the punters get 'used' to it... then the shiny ass bean counters increment it up every year...in 10yrs the 180 will be at least $240 (at av CPI of 3 % excluding other changes to the basic fee).... plus, by then there will probably be some environmental charge, road user pay charges in addition to rego.... for the towing vehicle as well as the towed...

Look at the Vic system, they have isolated each component of the process so they can be handled individually.... several small charges dont 'seem' as much as one big charge, then small increases to the components are also less painful :thumbsup:
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Post by Releb » 14 Jul 2016, 3:04 pm

on_one_wheel wrote:I've decided to build my own by copying what Treg Trailers make.


When can we expect pics :mrgreen:
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Post by Die Judicii » 14 Jul 2016, 9:56 pm

on_one_wheel wrote:
I've decided to build my own by copying what Treg Trailers make.

I'm making it 7 x 5 so the wheel track is exactly the same as my Nissan Patrol.
That makes it easy to reverse as you can see it when it'sin a straight line and it will travel well in my own ruts.

Here's what I'm using. I stole this list from the Treg website.

1.6 mm zinc anneal steel body
Zinc anneal smooth plate deck
7 floor supports (Galvanised RHS)
TREG poly block coupling
HD 2.5 ton axle / braked
1500kg x 9 leaf floating shackle springs
High tensile 50 x 50 x 3mm galvanised square tube chassis and cross members
Reinforced rear drop down tailgate with chain, fixed front
L.E.D. lights protected in 3mm galv. steel channel
Side gusseted with 3mm plate & tie rails all around 75 x 50 x 3mm galvanised rect. tube drawbar
Heavy duty taper roller bearings (light truck type)
Matching rims and stud pattern to my Nissan
Electronic brakes
New Off Road tyres (7.50 x 16 x 8ply)
Hammer finish paint


Hiya Mate,
As I used to build custom order trailers for a living, I reckon your pretty much on the ball.
That being said I have a few pointers for you to consider that may save you head aches and stress, not to mention dollars.

* You mention using galv RHS.
Please be aware that the so called galv RHS you see in the steel sales outlets is NOT really galv,,, unless it is the dinky die "Hot Dipped Galv.
The other stuff is really only designed to protect the steel in transit from the steel mills to the point of sale.
It also has an extremely thin coat of plastic over the top that I think is sprayed on. Certainly not ideal for fabricating a trailer with.
An engineering company I used to work for had a contract to build and erect a gazebo type structure for a local council.
They built it entirely out of the so called galv RHS as per above mentioned.
In less than 12 months the entire structure was riddled with rust, and had to be demolished, and a replacement one was built using Hot Dip Galv material, and the replacement costs were borne by the engineering company.

* If you buy the proper Hot Dip Galv material, and then weld it, you destroy the galv in the HAZ (heat affected zone).
A lot of engineering companies do this, and then wire brush and spray the welded areas with silver paint.
Unfortunately,,,,, rust will still raise it's ugly head unless the area is properly sand blasted, then quality paint and primer applied.
An ideal answer if you want a quality trailer that will last you for many years, is to buy plain steel and build the trailer, then get it sandblasted and the entire trailer Hot Dip Galvanised.

* "Hi Tensile RHS" chassis and cross members.
Hi Tensile is certainly stronger for the given sectional strength,,,,,, BUT it is also much more prone to cracking than mild steel.
Especially so if the frame work flexes, but most frame works like trailers and chassis should flex to certain degrees.
In my experience, one way of winning both ways is to go mild steel, but with slightly thicker wall thickness in any areas of duress.

* "Hammer Tone Paint"
This paint looks fantastic when new, but will start to fade dramatically within 12 or 18 months or even flake from UV rays.
Great for indoor stuff only.
I could post photos of my firearm safe that was painted in charcoal hammer tone 15 years ago that still looks like new.
I could also post photos of my hyd log splitter that was painted in the same color, same brand only 5 years ago, and it looks like s**t.
All faded, flat, and flaky.

For a good choice of paint, go to a paint shop that sells Industrial Enamel or 2 Pak paint, and do it in that. You won't regret it.
But then again, if you Hot Dip Galv it,,,,,,,,,,,, you won't even need paint.

Just my 20 cents worth. :thumbsup: :drinks: :friends:
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Post by on_one_wheel » 14 Jul 2016, 10:22 pm

Releb wrote:
on_one_wheel wrote:I've decided to build my own by copying what Treg Trailers make.


When can we expect pics :mrgreen:


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Post by on_one_wheel » 14 Jul 2016, 10:54 pm

Die Judicii wrote:
on_one_wheel wrote:
I've decided to build my own by copying what Treg Trailers make.

I'm making it 7 x 5 so the wheel track is exactly the same as my Nissan Patrol.
That makes it easy to reverse as you can see it when it'sin a straight line and it will travel well in my own ruts.

Here's what I'm using. I stole this list from the Treg website.

1.6 mm zinc anneal steel body
Zinc anneal smooth plate deck
7 floor supports (Galvanised RHS)
TREG poly block coupling
HD 2.5 ton axle / braked
1500kg x 9 leaf floating shackle springs
High tensile 50 x 50 x 3mm galvanised square tube chassis and cross members
Reinforced rear drop down tailgate with chain, fixed front
L.E.D. lights protected in 3mm galv. steel channel
Side gusseted with 3mm plate & tie rails all around 75 x 50 x 3mm galvanised rect. tube drawbar
Heavy duty taper roller bearings (light truck type)
Matching rims and stud pattern to my Nissan
Electronic brakes
New Off Road tyres (7.50 x 16 x 8ply)
Hammer finish paint


Hiya Mate,
As I used to build custom order trailers for a living, I reckon your pretty much on the ball.
That being said I have a few pointers for you to consider that may save you head aches and stress, not to mention dollars.

* You mention using galv RHS.
Please be aware that the so called galv RHS you see in the steel sales outlets is NOT really galv,,, unless it is the dinky die "Hot Dipped Galv.
The other stuff is really only designed to protect the steel in transit from the steel mills to the point of sale.
It also has an extremely thin coat of plastic over the top that I think is sprayed on. Certainly not ideal for fabricating a trailer with.
An engineering company I used to work for had a contract to build and erect a gazebo type structure for a local council.
They built it entirely out of the so called galv RHS as per above mentioned.
In less than 12 months the entire structure was riddled with rust, and had to be demolished, and a replacement one was built using Hot Dip Galv material, and the replacement costs were borne by the engineering company.

* If you buy the proper Hot Dip Galv material, and then weld it, you destroy the galv in the HAZ (heat affected zone).
A lot of engineering companies do this, and then wire brush and spray the welded areas with silver paint.
Unfortunately,,,,, rust will still raise it's ugly head unless the area is properly sand blasted, then quality paint and primer applied.
An ideal answer if you want a quality trailer that will last you for many years, is to buy plain steel and build the trailer, then get it sandblasted and the entire trailer Hot Dip Galvanised.

* "Hi Tensile RHS" chassis and cross members.
Hi Tensile is certainly stronger for the given sectional strength,,,,,, BUT it is also much more prone to cracking than mild steel.
Especially so if the frame work flexes, but most frame works like trailers and chassis should flex to certain degrees.
In my experience, one way of winning both ways is to go mild steel, but with slightly thicker wall thickness in any areas of duress.

* "Hammer Tone Paint"
This paint looks fantastic when new, but will start to fade dramatically within 12 or 18 months or even flake from UV rays.
Great for indoor stuff only.
I could post photos of my firearm safe that was painted in charcoal hammer tone 15 years ago that still looks like new.
I could also post photos of my hyd log splitter that was painted in the same color, same brand only 5 years ago, and it looks like s**t.
All faded, flat, and flaky.

For a good choice of paint, go to a paint shop that sells Industrial Enamel or 2 Pak paint, and do it in that. You won't regret it.
But then again, if you Hot Dip Galv it,,,,,,,,,,,, you won't even need paint.

Just my 20 cents worth. :thumbsup: :drinks: :friends:


All good advice,
It just so happens I use to work in a hot dip galv plant, (Korvest Galvanizers) so I've got a good contact there. ;) But It still might be cost prohibitive, mates rates can only go so far.

Korvest do a great job using a 3 stage pickling process.
Caustic, Acid , Hot tank fluxed and finally hot dipped galved ... if the operators aren't too stoned to get it right, trailers don't twist in the kettle. :roll:
The pot is only heated to 455 deg c but if the job was too big for a single dip there was a risk of twisting complex pieces with a double dip.
Sometimes quenching the job in the Sodium Dichromate solution was too risky ... but stoners will be stoners.

I doubt I'll buy any galv steel, its too much effort to prep properly, that list was actually just a cut n paste.

I must admit that every hammer tone pain job I've done has faded in 12 months ... I thought it might be because I was using cheap stuff. But saying that even the Wattle hammer tone paint faded rapidly ... You've just successfully talked me out of the hammer paint. :thumbsup:
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Re: Tell me about trailers and towing

Post by Chronos » 15 Jul 2016, 10:24 am

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on_one_wheel wrote:
I've decided to build my own by copying what Treg Trailers make.

I'm making it 7 x 5 so the wheel track is exactly the same as my Nissan Patrol.
That makes it easy to reverse as you can see it when it'sin a straight line and it will travel well in my own ruts.

Here's what I'm using. I stole this list from the Treg website.

1.6 mm zinc anneal steel body
Zinc anneal smooth plate deck
7 floor supports (Galvanised RHS)
TREG poly block coupling
HD 2.5 ton axle / braked
1500kg x 9 leaf floating shackle springs
High tensile 50 x 50 x 3mm galvanised square tube chassis and cross members
Reinforced rear drop down tailgate with chain, fixed front
L.E.D. lights protected in 3mm galv. steel channel
Side gusseted with 3mm plate & tie rails all around 75 x 50 x 3mm galvanised rect. tube drawbar
Heavy duty taper roller bearings (light truck type)
Matching rims and stud pattern to my Nissan
Electronic brakes
New Off Road tyres (7.50 x 16 x 8ply)
Hammer finish paint


Hiya Mate,
As I used to build custom order trailers for a living, I reckon your pretty much on the ball.
That being said I have a few pointers for you to consider that may save you head aches and stress, not to mention dollars.

* You mention using galv RHS.
Please be aware that the so called galv RHS you see in the steel sales outlets is NOT really galv,,, unless it is the dinky die "Hot Dipped Galv.
The other stuff is really only designed to protect the steel in transit from the steel mills to the point of sale.
It also has an extremely thin coat of plastic over the top that I think is sprayed on. Certainly not ideal for fabricating a trailer with.
An engineering company I used to work for had a contract to build and erect a gazebo type structure for a local council.
They built it entirely out of the so called galv RHS as per above mentioned.
In less than 12 months the entire structure was riddled with rust, and had to be demolished, and a replacement one was built using Hot Dip Galv material, and the replacement costs were borne by the engineering company.

* If you buy the proper Hot Dip Galv material, and then weld it, you destroy the galv in the HAZ (heat affected zone).
A lot of engineering companies do this, and then wire brush and spray the welded areas with silver paint.
Unfortunately,,,,, rust will still raise it's ugly head unless the area is properly sand blasted, then quality paint and primer applied.
An ideal answer if you want a quality trailer that will last you for many years, is to buy plain steel and build the trailer, then get it sandblasted and the entire trailer Hot Dip Galvanised.

* "Hi Tensile RHS" chassis and cross members.
Hi Tensile is certainly stronger for the given sectional strength,,,,,, BUT it is also much more prone to cracking than mild steel.
Especially so if the frame work flexes, but most frame works like trailers and chassis should flex to certain degrees.
In my experience, one way of winning both ways is to go mild steel, but with slightly thicker wall thickness in any areas of duress.

* "Hammer Tone Paint"
This paint looks fantastic when new, but will start to fade dramatically within 12 or 18 months or even flake from UV rays.
Great for indoor stuff only.
I could post photos of my firearm safe that was painted in charcoal hammer tone 15 years ago that still looks like new.
I could also post photos of my hyd log splitter that was painted in the same color, same brand only 5 years ago, and it looks like s**t.
All faded, flat, and flaky.

For a good choice of paint, go to a paint shop that sells Industrial Enamel or 2 Pak paint, and do it in that. You won't regret it.
But then again, if you Hot Dip Galv it,,,,,,,,,,,, you won't even need paint.

Just my 20 cents worth. :thumbsup: :drinks: :friends:


Lots of good info here. I also used to build custom trailers for a living. Mostly vehicle and plant trailers

Rather that increase material thickness I'd prefer to go up a size and gain strength that way.

If you're welding it all up stay away from high tensile materials, they ain't high tensile where they're welded.

Being smart with your design will stop water and dirt (which keeps the water around longer) from pooling in the subframe and causing corrosion.

Hot dipped gal is great but you need to allow for flow through the trailer in the design stage, if the blokes doing the dipping don't think you've done it right they'll blow holes with an oxy to stop it exploding when it's dipped. (I've also had a bit to do with stoners :lol: )

As for painted finishes go for proper blasting and a zinc rich primer for long lasting protection then any pain you like over the top. An iso free or 2 pak will stand up the best because they're harder than your standard air dry enamel.

One thing too is to as the same hubs and wheels as your toe vehicle. Obvious really but you'd be surprised how many people don't think about it. Allow room for at least one spare wheel.

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