Building a proper first aid kit

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Re: Building a proper first aid kit

Post by bladeracer » 25 Nov 2017, 6:14 pm

sungazer wrote:I haven't heard of the blood clotting stuff before. There is no way I would give it to someone though. You might cause them to have a stroke and die.


Clotting agents are absolute last resort, meaning your patient is definitely going to die from blood loss unless you can stop it. You would never throw it into a less-than-fatal wound.
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Post by Zarrs » 26 Nov 2017, 12:02 am

Don't get quick clot its really bad, surgons hate the stuff and want it banned. The only thing close to that I would use and have used before is medical grade glue its not cheap. Super glue kinda does the same thing as medical glue so I have that in all my kits.

Match your kit to what you are doing and dont have anything in it you arnt trained or have researched how to use.

You want a snake bite kit you can buy them pre made but its cheaper to make your own and make sure you have a first aid book in every kit. You can get small ones and they are worth every penny. I still have the ones I was issued in the military and I've used them several times. Also keep in mind that you might be a first aid wiz but the person giving you first aid may not be.

As far as meds go you want stuff to help you s**t, stop you s**ting, meds to stop the stomac cramps, and pain killers you can see where I'm going with this. I also like to put small straws full of powder Gatorade in my kits as well.

Israeli Bandage/dressing are amazing as well but they arnt cheap.

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Post by Lorgar » 27 Nov 2017, 9:26 am

Added a few I missed, good stuff :thumbsup:
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Post by Norton » 28 Nov 2017, 1:55 pm

sungazer wrote:I haven't heard of the blood clotting stuff before. There is no way I would give it to someone though. You might cause them to have a stroke and die. I agree with the comment on not doing something I didn't know how to do as well.


If you don't know anything about it how are you making the leap to it causing someone a stroke and killing them?

Tone down the drama a bit :lol:

You know you apply it to a wound, you're not injecting something into the bloodstream etc.
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Post by sungazer » 28 Nov 2017, 2:18 pm

Yes you are correct I assumed it was a medication. Something to be taken orally as that would be suited to a first aid kit and would affect all the blood in your blood stream similar to warfrin just the opposite then making the leap to blood clots. So like i said I really don't know anything about it.
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Post by Norton » 28 Nov 2017, 2:34 pm

Yeah it's applied externally :thumbsup:
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Post by Gormanchov » 10 Dec 2017, 3:10 pm

The quick clot he’s talking about is the probably the bandage impregnated with kaolin, look up the videos on its use. Warning it’s pretty bloody but very impressive.
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Post by holden4th » 10 Dec 2017, 5:23 pm

What you put in your First Aid kit should reflect both your experience and your knowledge. You also have to think about what you are legally able to do to another person, especially if that person is unconscious.

I was a paramedic at one stage and our first aid kits beggared belief. However, we were trained to use them effectively. Most people have only basic training and their kits should reflect this.

So what do we want to do with our kits. The majority of incidents involve bleeding of some kind and that can require something as simple as a bandaid or something larger to stem major blood flow. (BTW,this should almost never include a tourniquet - there is one excepetion here). Snake bite is another consideration and compression bandages should always be included.

Other bandages could include slings to help immobilise a compromised limb but yet again, you have to know how to use them.

Saline solution for washing out wounds (especially those involving eyes) is something that everyone can use.

As a first aider, is it really your responsibility to a remove foreign object with the likes of tweezers? (I saw forceps mentioned and shuddered) or should that be left to the medical professionals.

I saw clotting compounds mentioned. Unless you are a haemophiliac, your blood has it's own clotting compounds which respond to contact with air. Compressing the wound is the way to go and let nature take its course. This applies to arterial bleeds as well.

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Post by Lorgar » 14 Dec 2017, 1:39 pm

In a typical setting I'd agree with much of what you've said there holden4th, but I think you've missed the point.

As outlined in my original post, the purpose of my would-be kit is to provide a degree of aid for a serious injury when literally no alternative is available, either due to distance, accessibility, no communication, or some combination of all three.

If help was 10 minutes down the road and a phone call away, that would be the first action, obviously.

For the record, I have no illusions about being a paramedic, doctor, or any other variety of medical "expert". My experience and knowledge extend only as far as being an intelligent, rational guy who can act in that fashion and render what aid I reasonably can until a better alternative can be reached, however long that might take.
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Post by Oldbloke » 14 Dec 2017, 9:30 pm

I have followed this with some interest. Just wondering if we are about to be attacked by the yellow hords?
All seems way over the top for a hunting trip.
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Post by albat » 16 Dec 2017, 10:05 pm

If you go places off the grid lorgar the first $250 bucks you spend on a bit of medical kit should be on a plb imho ,and dont forget to update your travel itenery with amsa.gov.au every time you go bush
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Post by Daddybang » 17 Dec 2017, 7:08 am

albat wrote:If you go places off the grid lorgar the first $250 bucks you spend on a bit of medical kit should be on a plb imho ,and dont forget to update your travel itenery with amsa.gov.au every time you go bush



I agree that a plb is an essential itrm when going bush but it can still be hours or more(depending on many factors) before help arrives :drinks:

Oldbloke wrote:I have followed this with some interest. Just wondering if we are about to be attacked by the yellow hords?
All seems way over the top for a hunting trip.


Op not really looking at simple hunting trips but those occasions when ya in the middle of nowhere with any sort of help being a long long way off and having sh@t go badly wrong. :drinks: :drinks:
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Post by tom604 » 17 Dec 2017, 12:44 pm

are you going to carry it /short walks/all day or car based ,, just a "get me back to the car one will be pretty basic while a car one you can have all the bells and whistles, my walk around kit has bandaids, panamax, two large wound, one small wound,one roll of crepe bandage. i always carry a roll of electrical tape for the muzzle and for when the bandaids wont cut it, plus gloves that i use on what i shoot ,double use :thumbsup: if your out and about all you need to carry is enough to get you back to the car :thumbsup:
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Re: Building a proper first aid kit

Post by Lorgar » 18 Dec 2017, 2:48 pm

Daddybang wrote:
Oldbloke wrote:I have followed this with some interest. Just wondering if we are about to be attacked by the yellow hords?
All seems way over the top for a hunting trip.


Op not really looking at simple hunting trips but those occasions when ya in the middle of nowhere with any sort of help being a long long way off and having sh@t go badly wrong. :drinks: :drinks:


Yup... I don't know how to explain this any clearer than I already have so might have to leave you puzzled OB :lol:
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Post by Lorgar » 18 Dec 2017, 2:48 pm

tom604 wrote:are you going to carry it /short walks/all day or car based ,, just a "get me back to the car one will be pretty basic while a car one you can have all the bells and whistles


This will be car based. No carry kit.
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Post by bladeracer » 18 Dec 2017, 3:13 pm

tom604 wrote:if your out and about all you need to carry is enough to get you back to the car :thumbsup:


That's assuming you can still move around.
Even a badly twisted ankle can make it almost impossible to return to your vehicle in some terrain.
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Post by Lorgar » 18 Dec 2017, 4:33 pm

bladeracer wrote:That's assuming you can still move around.
Even a badly twisted ankle can make it almost impossible to return to your vehicle in some terrain.


A colleague of mine has gone through this... He was out camping with his son who is about 8 (not much help in an emergency) and had an embankment of some sort give way under him resulting in a fall and a broken kneecap and tibia.

If I remember right this happened about 800m from his truck/camp, and crawling back took somewhere in the neighbourhood of 4 hours. Good times, hey? :?

Thankfully they weren't too far from reception and being able to call for help, he was able to drive a short distance to be able to make a call then wait for rescue.

Off topic to this particular point, but on the subject of accidents and first aid, I've also had a friend lose his dog to snakebite while camping.

My point being real s**t does actually happen. Not often, granted, but like every bit of safety gear in my truck I'd rather have it and never use it than not have it at all.
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Post by bladeracer » 18 Dec 2017, 4:48 pm

Lorgar wrote:My point being real s**t does actually happen. Not often, granted, but like every bit of safety gear in my truck I'd rather have it and never use it than not have it at all.


Yep, I'd rather have stuff I don't need than not have stuff I do need.
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