New .22LR? CZ452 vs CZ455 vs Lithgow LA101?

[bladeracer]

I'm with you on this, although I'm more of a Winchester man so I'm going to say 94/22lr

I have the Norinco JW21 copy of the 9422 and the Henry Classic. The feed system of the JW21 does not impress me, especially compared to the virtually "controlled-feed" system of the Henry. I've compared the JW21 to the 9422 and the parts are identical. The JW21 is a little more accurate and better assembled than the Henry (both of which may only apply to my own examples), and it is quite reliable while it's clean, but by about 300-500rds it's pretty filthy inside and feeding becomes problematic. I very slightly prefer the feel of the Norinco over the Henry but there's little in it.

[Daddybang]

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I'm with you on this, although I'm more of a Winchester man so I'm going to say 94/22lr[/quote]

I love my 94/22...a good robust rifle that's accurate(for a lever) and a lot of fun to shoot
The only problem it's ever given me was the follower was getting stuck but a good spray with inox sorted that out!!

[bigrich]

You can’t go wrong with a weihrauch. Excellent build quality and very accurate. Excellent adjustable trigger

[southwest shooter]

Henry still the best .

[albat]

what about the new lever release savage's advertised yesterday coming in september rimfire version of the verney carron would make an excellent first .22

[TBJ]

You can’t go wrong with a weihrauch. Excellent build quality and very accurate. Excellent adjustable trigger

What model for a heavy barrel? also what about the availability of mods for it?

[allan]

You can’t go wrong with a weihrauch. Excellent build quality and very accurate. Excellent adjustable trigger

What model for a heavy barrel? also what about the availability of mods for it?

If you're looking for a heavy barrel and want to pay for a rifle that will last generations - These three:

WEIHRAUCH HW66JM
ANSCHUTZ 1710
LITHGOW LA101 (In a laminated or timber stock)

No mods. required for any of these. I have a couple of each brand and all are about as good as it gets in mass produced rim fires - Just comes down to which style appeals to you most.

[TBJ]

You can’t go wrong with a weihrauch. Excellent build quality and very accurate. Excellent adjustable trigger

What model for a heavy barrel? also what about the availability of mods for it?

If you're looking for a heavy barrel and want to pay for a rifle that will last generations - These three:

WEIHRAUCH HW66JM
ANSCHUTZ 1710
LITHGOW LA101 (In a laminated or timber stock)

No mods. required for any of these. I have a couple of each brand and all are about as good as it gets in mass produced rim fires - Just comes down to which style appeals to you most.

thanks, I'll have a look into them, whats the difference between the 1710 and the 1410?

[meawls]

Own an example of all three ... all fairly recent purchases. Have done benchrest style load development in all three using around 13 available cartridge configurations. Here's the results, from 5 shot groups at 50M (best performers only):

Lithgow LA101: Federal 714 Standard velocity = 7MM; Bushman HVHP (surprise!) and Winchester Superspeed HVHP (I have a sneaking suspicion they're one and the same!!) = 11MM.
Note: this rifle became noticeably more accurate as it wore in .... much more so than usual. In many cases the group sizes halved!! This rifle will NOT extract ANY Winchester loadings - even the Plano box bulk 2000 pack from USA. There must be an issue with their cases. It's been back to the factory and tweeked under warranty - it originally wouldn't extract ANYTHING!! The factory were extremely good about it. I won't send it back again ... just avoid Winchester stuff. This rifle ships with a polymer 5 round magazine. It has an extremely frustrating habit of failing to feed the final (5th) round very regularly ... however it cycles faultlessly with CZ magazines ...?!?! Moral of the story - throw away your Lithgow mag (if this happens to you)??!!

CZ 455: Federal 714 Standard Velocity = 0.456" ... likewise Winchester SubSonics.
Note: ours is the limited edition Bushman Special. Comes with a terrific red stock (beech???) embellished with black paint - but beware if you happen to shoot in damp conditions - this black paint comes off ... and STAINS YOUR HANDS!!! This rifle shoots and extracts everything and anything with utter ease.

CZ 452:Federal 745 HVHP = 0.607". Interestingly, Remingtom CBee ultra low velocity HP's shot 0.418" at 35M. The single most accurate reading I've seen for any ultra low.
Note: ours is the Ultralux long barrelled type. This rifle is still quite new, and the group sizes have improved ... although unfortunately I have yet to properly benchrest it again now that it's properly "worn in", so can't give you exact figures.

General notes: the above measurements were all measured accurately with calipers. Here's the cool thing - all 3 rifles use the standard CZ magazines. They all feel good in the hands ... although the Lithgow took some getting used to at the start. It's a very unusual stock configuration ... but I love it now, and that weird butt sits really well on the bench. It really feels solid too, whereas the CZ's feel ... I dunno ... more feminine perhaps for want of a better word. More slender and a little lighter. Honestly I love all three, and in my opinion you'd probably be happy with whatever you bought. I would gladly buy each again in hindsight. Be aware if you're looking at the CZ Ultralux - it has some truly classy iron sights on it. Unless you remove the rear one you'll be really handicapped in terms of the scope's objective lens possibly contacting the sight's body.

Enjoy!!!

[sungazer]

The Winchester ammo wont extract out of my Anni either. Well it wont extract unfired rounds fired rounds no problems. What is happening in my rifle is that it is jamming the projectiles. In some ways I take this as a good thing as it means the chamber is a good size and most of the ammo sits just off the lands a good thing.
What is the case with the Lithgow is it just unfired rounds or the spent cases as well?

[meawls]

In the case of the Lithgow, it's only fired cases that won't extract. And they're tenacious too. Have to use a cleaning rod from the muzzle end, sometimes needing quite a shove. Doesn't matter how clean the chamber is. Only happens with Winchester. As I mentioned in the Highland ZX ammo thread, those cases in particular get ejected sparkling clean after firing, so it definitely isn't a lack of cleaning that's the problem.

[Gaznazdiak]

http://www.lithgowarms.com/lithgow-arms ... -493600885

[TBJ]

http://www.lithgowarms.com/lithgow-arms-launches-10-year-manufactures-warranty-for-all-la101-la102-and-la105-rifles/?utm_source=Lithgow+Arms&utm_campaign=188a54996f-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_06_08_02_33&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_15fa113e46-188a54996f-493600885

Geez, 10years is an amazing warranty, shows how confident they are in their products.

[Gwion]

http://www.lithgowarms.com/lithgow-arms-launches-10-year-manufactures-warranty-for-all-la101-la102-and-la105-rifles/?utm_source=Lithgow+Arms&utm_campaign=188a54996f-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_06_08_02_33&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_15fa113e46-188a54996f-493600885

Geez, 10years is an amazing warranty, shows how confident they are in their products.

Usual warranties are voided if you feed it hand loads or change anything like trigger components

[ClaytonT88]

Following with interest as I'm in the same boat. I've only just applied for my licence here in SA so I'm still a month or two away from making a purchase at least, I'm really keen to see a T1X in the flesh and see some reviews on it before I make the choice between either an LA101 or a T1X.
I love the idea of buying an Australian made Rifle but the weight does seem like a bit of a drawback, I'll be mostly hunting foxes and rabbits with the plan to do the odd bit of range shooting.
I'm still tossing up between a 22LR and a 17HMR as well. I like the idea of 17HMR for its accuracy and range and it's probably a bit more potent against bunnies and foxes but I like the idea of spending less than a dollar a shot....

[Lsfan]

Hi all. I’ve got a cz455 synthetic carbon. Only used a few times at a range and pretty happy with it. Yes it does have the little infill beside the mag to allow for the .17hmr or 22wmr mag. This is not a negative since it allows the flexibility to use 3 different calibers. Would’ve liked a timber stock but on a tight budget.

[NTSOG]

G'day TBJ,

If you're looking at a Weihrauch be sure to check the quality and alignment of the stock. I have an HW 60 J in .222 Rem. The stock was not true from new and required relieving as it was warped, bending to the left. The rifle action is brilliant and now, as the rifle has been professionally bedded and the barrel floated, the thing is good for inch groups at 100 yards. It has a heavier barrel than my Anschutz 1532, also in .222 Rem. One other thing a Pommy shooter told me about was that he was having trouble with spent cases jamming after firing in his Weihrauch. I have had no problems.

Jim

[Tubs]

Just bought a CZ 455 rip off / Hatsan Escort 22LR Timber for aprox 380 bucks. I'm impressed!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=wJjJxlQf0qQ