duncan61 wrote:Never owned a .22 magnum but have shot one once and been with shooters that had them I have always felt they were not exactly pinpoint accuracy with the copper painted cast lead slug .The .17 HMR is the most accurate Rimfire around with its ballistic tip and boat tail projectile you will out shoot the Magnum all day.Perhaps there is better Magnum ammo available today
AZZA'S HJ47 wrote:Love my 17hmr bunnies foxes and great for culling on a calm night easily shoot out to 150 no troubles. I am curious about the 22mag but to tell you the truth im happy with the 17 and feel it does thw job perfectly.
bladeracer wrote:duncan61 wrote:Never owned a .22 magnum but have shot one once and been with shooters that had them I have always felt they were not exactly pinpoint accuracy with the copper painted cast lead slug .The .17 HMR is the most accurate Rimfire around with its ballistic tip and boat tail projectile you will out shoot the Magnum all day.Perhaps there is better Magnum ammo available today
Copper-plated cast lead in .22WMR?
You sure you're not thinking of the old .22WCF?
WMR is usually a jacketed .224" bullet the same as used in .223 and such.
Stix wrote:AZZA'S HJ47 wrote:Love my 17hmr bunnies foxes and great for culling on a calm night easily shoot out to 150 no troubles. I am curious about the 22mag but to tell you the truth im happy with the 17 and feel it does thw job perfectly.
Stop ssying this stuff...ive convinced myself i dont need or want one & you're doing nothing towards helping me to keep this mind set.!!
NUTSACK wrote:I have the Ruger American in .22 mag and really like it for a play rifle. I think they would be a good thing in any light calibre especially for the price..I only went the .22 Mag as the 17hmr ammo was near impossible to find when i was buying but i want to swap it for a 17Hmr in the same rifle..
Gaznazdiak wrote:I was in the market for an HMR when I was shown the WSM. I wasn't disappointed I chose the much more powerful and accurate Winchester round. The only drawback was the price of ammo due to it's relative rarity.
The rabbit in the first pic was at about 160m, and the round went through diagonally from the left shoulder, on the way through it pulverised about 3in of spine.
The second pic is the top of some W strap stock yard that I accidentally clipped at 60m. That's the top where it is folded double and about 6mm thick.
Bill wrote:Did you shoot some targets to back up your accurate claim ??? most interweb searchs reveal the 17WSM to struggle with accuracy. What gun have you got ?
in2anity wrote:Bill wrote:Did you shoot some targets to back up your accurate claim ??? most interweb searchs reveal the 17WSM to struggle with accuracy. What gun have you got ?
Agreed, I'm yet to see a 17wsm that will consistently group - the bmag was garbage, and the 77/17 throws flyers. The Winchester 1885 LW looks to be the pick - although a review I saw suggested in took around 300 rounds to break in.
Gaznazdiak wrote:You say the B-mag is garbage, is this from owning and actually using one or anecdotal?
in2anity wrote:Gaznazdiak wrote:You say the B-mag is garbage, is this from owning and actually using one or anecdotal?
Mate had one of the synthetic sporters and it felt like a plastic toy, not to mention it threw flyers like they were going out of fashion. Admittedly the thumbhole varmint looks to be better (not to mention probably groups). Guess I’ve just had bad experiences with savages in the past too, which probably makes me a little bias...
Gaznazdiak wrote:Having a bad experience with a brand does make you look twice at any of their other products, for sure.
I had the choice of the sporter or for a few more bucks, the target/varmint version and like you I was seriously underwhelmed by the dinky sporter.
The Boyd's thumbhole laminate stock was the best timber stock I've ever used.
The difference in terminal performance of the WSM to the HMR was massive, almost like a small centerfire.
I really wish I'd had a bigger safe, if so I'd still have the WSM.
Bruiser64 wrote:Thanks to everyone who has posted on this thread. I now have my 17 HMR Ruger American. I have taken it out into the field a couple of times and I am very happy with it. I also have a 22 magnum Ruger American (which I also really like), to make a direct comparison with. I am shooting 17 grain CCI ballistic tips with the HMR. I use the 30 gun Hornady VMax’s in the 22 WMR.
The most immediately obvious thing is how confidence inspiring the hmr is. It is flat shooting and has great field accuracy. You just put the cross hairs on the bunny, and down it goes. Where I was shooting last night has scrub on the edges of huge bare paddocks. The bunnies sit within (by my rough estimate), 50 to 75 metres of safety and they get pretty they. It is difficult at night for me to estimate range, so the 22lr can be a dodgy proposition. The magnum is better in this environment and the hmr is better again in my initial experience. It was a bit breezy last night, but this made no noticeable difference. At one point it was 7 bunnies for 7 shots. My young bloke (who loves the magnum) used the hmr for the first time last night. He informed me the hmr is something he loves just that whisker more. The flatter trajectory of the hmr made it easier for him to hit the bunnies at longer range than with the magnum last night.
One thing that was surprising was how “unspectacular” a bunny kill can be with the hmr. You hit most of them and they just roll over stone dead. Also on a lot of them it is hard to discern an entry wound and there are no exit wounds. The vmax appears to dump everything into the body. With the magnum and a 22lr the bunnies seem to have a lot of quivering after a shot. They are just as dead, but with more movement.
Where I live hmr ammo is more expensive than magnum ammo. But the difference is about the price of a cup of coffee and a muffin. In all honesty the ammo price is pretty irrelevant for me. Shooting is my main hobby and fuel costs me more than the ammo does. I am aware of how economically you can reload centrefires for. But I have a lot of demands on my free time, so the time saving buying factory hmr ammo is worth more to me than the dollar saving of reloading centrefire ammo. I do reload my .204 and .243, but I use them for foxing and roo shooting.
I have no regrets buying the hmr. In fact l am stoked with it. Given the relatively low purchase price of the Ruger Americans, I am more than happy to own both. For me it is not a question of only having one or the other.
Sawyers wrote:Bruiser64 wrote:Thanks to everyone who has posted on this thread. I now have my 17 HMR Ruger American. I have taken it out into the field a couple of times and I am very happy with it. I also have a 22 magnum Ruger American (which I also really like), to make a direct comparison with. I am shooting 17 grain CCI ballistic tips with the HMR. I use the 30 gun Hornady VMax’s in the 22 WMR.
The most immediately obvious thing is how confidence inspiring the hmr is. It is flat shooting and has great field accuracy. You just put the cross hairs on the bunny, and down it goes. Where I was shooting last night has scrub on the edges of huge bare paddocks. The bunnies sit within (by my rough estimate), 50 to 75 metres of safety and they get pretty they. It is difficult at night for me to estimate range, so the 22lr can be a dodgy proposition. The magnum is better in this environment and the hmr is better again in my initial experience. It was a bit breezy last night, but this made no noticeable difference. At one point it was 7 bunnies for 7 shots. My young bloke (who loves the magnum) used the hmr for the first time last night. He informed me the hmr is something he loves just that whisker more. The flatter trajectory of the hmr made it easier for him to hit the bunnies at longer range than with the magnum last night.
One thing that was surprising was how “unspectacular” a bunny kill can be with the hmr. You hit most of them and they just roll over stone dead. Also on a lot of them it is hard to discern an entry wound and there are no exit wounds. The vmax appears to dump everything into the body. With the magnum and a 22lr the bunnies seem to have a lot of quivering after a shot. They are just as dead, but with more movement.
Where I live hmr ammo is more expensive than magnum ammo. But the difference is about the price of a cup of coffee and a muffin. In all honesty the ammo price is pretty irrelevant for me. Shooting is my main hobby and fuel costs me more than the ammo does. I am aware of how economically you can reload centrefires for. But I have a lot of demands on my free time, so the time saving buying factory hmr ammo is worth more to me than the dollar saving of reloading centrefire ammo. I do reload my .204 and .243, but I use them for foxing and roo shooting.
I have no regrets buying the hmr. In fact l am stoked with it. Given the relatively low purchase price of the Ruger Americans, I am more than happy to own both. For me it is not a question of only having one or the other.
Did you have any trouble from WAPOL getting a 17hmr licensed while having a 22 wmr
simpsonhey wrote:Can you get aftermarket stocks for ruger american blued hmr17