Ruger American .17 HMR

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Re: Ruger American .17 HMR

Post by in2anity » 20 Sep 2018, 10:00 am

Bill wrote:Did you shoot some targets to back up your accurate claim ??? most interweb searchs reveal the 17WSM to struggle with accuracy. What gun have you got ?


Agreed, I'm yet to see a 17wsm that will consistently group - the bmag was garbage, and the 77/17 throws flyers. The Winchester 1885 LW looks to be the pick - although a review I saw suggested in took around 300 rounds to break in.
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Re: Ruger American .17 HMR

Post by Gaznazdiak » 20 Sep 2018, 10:39 am

in2anity wrote:
Bill wrote:Did you shoot some targets to back up your accurate claim ??? most interweb searchs reveal the 17WSM to struggle with accuracy. What gun have you got ?


Agreed, I'm yet to see a 17wsm that will consistently group - the bmag was garbage, and the 77/17 throws flyers. The Winchester 1885 LW looks to be the pick - although a review I saw suggested in took around 300 rounds to break in.


No I don't have any targets to show, I am going by the comparison of using a borrowed Ruger HMR I tried for a couple of weeks and the B-mag I bought in WSM instead. I found the B-mag to be far superior to the Ruger.

I have since traded the B-mag for the Howa .223 I use now because I can get longer range and reload for less than the price of WSM factory ammo.

You say the B-mag is garbage, is this from owning and actually using one or anecdotal?

The varmint barreled model in the Boyd's thumbhole stock that I had was a great rifle, I only traded it on the Howa because my 3 gun safe had 4 in it and wasn't going to take a 5th.
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Re: Ruger American .17 HMR

Post by in2anity » 20 Sep 2018, 6:24 pm

Gaznazdiak wrote:You say the B-mag is garbage, is this from owning and actually using one or anecdotal?


Mate had one of the synthetic sporters and it felt like a plastic toy, not to mention it threw flyers like they were going out of fashion. Admittedly the thumbhole varmint looks to be better (not to mention probably groups). Guess I’ve just had bad experiences with savages in the past too, which probably makes me a little bias...
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Re: Ruger American .17 HMR

Post by Gaznazdiak » 20 Sep 2018, 6:45 pm

in2anity wrote:
Gaznazdiak wrote:You say the B-mag is garbage, is this from owning and actually using one or anecdotal?


Mate had one of the synthetic sporters and it felt like a plastic toy, not to mention it threw flyers like they were going out of fashion. Admittedly the thumbhole varmint looks to be better (not to mention probably groups). Guess I’ve just had bad experiences with savages in the past too, which probably makes me a little bias...


Having a bad experience with a brand does make you look twice at any of their other products, for sure.

I had the choice of the sporter or for a few more bucks, the target/varmint version and like you I was seriously underwhelmed by the dinky sporter.

The Boyd's thumbhole laminate stock was the best timber stock I've ever used.

The difference in terminal performance of the WSM to the HMR was massive, almost like a small centerfire.

I really wish I'd had a bigger safe, if so I'd still have the WSM.
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Re: Ruger American .17 HMR

Post by in2anity » 21 Sep 2018, 8:32 am

Gaznazdiak wrote:Having a bad experience with a brand does make you look twice at any of their other products, for sure.

I had the choice of the sporter or for a few more bucks, the target/varmint version and like you I was seriously underwhelmed by the dinky sporter.

The Boyd's thumbhole laminate stock was the best timber stock I've ever used.

The difference in terminal performance of the WSM to the HMR was massive, almost like a small centerfire.

I really wish I'd had a bigger safe, if so I'd still have the WSM.
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I want to like the 17wsm, I really do - I love the idea of a disposable, medium-range varmint cartridge. But the price of ammunition is just what kills it for me. The best I've seen is around 50c/piece- yet you can reload the 223 under 30c/piece. From a cost perspective, if the 17wsm was in the vicinity of 30c/piece I'd pick one up in a heart-beat.
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Re: Ruger American .17 HMR

Post by Gaznazdiak » 21 Sep 2018, 8:50 am

Yeah mate, ammo price is it's downfall.
My nearest gun shop is run by a lying, cheating price gouger who would skin his own grandmother for $2. I was paying $36 for 50 Winchester, and as you say, I'm now reloading for just over half that.
I don't go to his shop anymore, I drive 90km to Queanbeyan and it's still cheaper to make a special trip just for 1 500g bottle of 2206H than to buy it from him if I was already in town for something else.
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Re: Ruger American .17 HMR

Post by Bruiser64 » 06 Jan 2019, 3:23 pm

Thanks to everyone who has posted on this thread. I now have my 17 HMR Ruger American. I have taken it out into the field a couple of times and I am very happy with it. I also have a 22 magnum Ruger American (which I also really like), to make a direct comparison with. I am shooting 17 grain CCI ballistic tips with the HMR. I use the 30 gun Hornady VMax’s in the 22 WMR.

The most immediately obvious thing is how confidence inspiring the hmr is. It is flat shooting and has great field accuracy. You just put the cross hairs on the bunny, and down it goes. Where I was shooting last night has scrub on the edges of huge bare paddocks. The bunnies sit within (by my rough estimate), 50 to 75 metres of safety and they get pretty they. It is difficult at night for me to estimate range, so the 22lr can be a dodgy proposition. The magnum is better in this environment and the hmr is better again in my initial experience. It was a bit breezy last night, but this made no noticeable difference. At one point it was 7 bunnies for 7 shots. My young bloke (who loves the magnum) used the hmr for the first time last night. He informed me the hmr is something he loves just that whisker more. The flatter trajectory of the hmr made it easier for him to hit the bunnies at longer range than with the magnum last night.

One thing that was surprising was how “unspectacular” a bunny kill can be with the hmr. You hit most of them and they just roll over stone dead. Also on a lot of them it is hard to discern an entry wound and there are no exit wounds. The vmax appears to dump everything into the body. With the magnum and a 22lr the bunnies seem to have a lot of quivering after a shot. They are just as dead, but with more movement.

Where I live hmr ammo is more expensive than magnum ammo. But the difference is about the price of a cup of coffee and a muffin. In all honesty the ammo price is pretty irrelevant for me. Shooting is my main hobby and fuel costs me more than the ammo does. I am aware of how economically you can reload centrefires for. But I have a lot of demands on my free time, so the time saving buying factory hmr ammo is worth more to me than the dollar saving of reloading centrefire ammo. I do reload my .204 and .243, but I use them for foxing and roo shooting.

I have no regrets buying the hmr. In fact l am stoked with it. Given the relatively low purchase price of the Ruger Americans, I am more than happy to own both. For me it is not a question of only having one or the other.
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Re: Ruger American .17 HMR

Post by simpsonhey » 07 Jan 2019, 3:56 am

:D yep got tthe same riffle
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Re: Ruger American .17 HMR

Post by Sawyers » 07 Jan 2019, 12:31 pm

Bruiser64 wrote:Thanks to everyone who has posted on this thread. I now have my 17 HMR Ruger American. I have taken it out into the field a couple of times and I am very happy with it. I also have a 22 magnum Ruger American (which I also really like), to make a direct comparison with. I am shooting 17 grain CCI ballistic tips with the HMR. I use the 30 gun Hornady VMax’s in the 22 WMR.

The most immediately obvious thing is how confidence inspiring the hmr is. It is flat shooting and has great field accuracy. You just put the cross hairs on the bunny, and down it goes. Where I was shooting last night has scrub on the edges of huge bare paddocks. The bunnies sit within (by my rough estimate), 50 to 75 metres of safety and they get pretty they. It is difficult at night for me to estimate range, so the 22lr can be a dodgy proposition. The magnum is better in this environment and the hmr is better again in my initial experience. It was a bit breezy last night, but this made no noticeable difference. At one point it was 7 bunnies for 7 shots. My young bloke (who loves the magnum) used the hmr for the first time last night. He informed me the hmr is something he loves just that whisker more. The flatter trajectory of the hmr made it easier for him to hit the bunnies at longer range than with the magnum last night.

One thing that was surprising was how “unspectacular” a bunny kill can be with the hmr. You hit most of them and they just roll over stone dead. Also on a lot of them it is hard to discern an entry wound and there are no exit wounds. The vmax appears to dump everything into the body. With the magnum and a 22lr the bunnies seem to have a lot of quivering after a shot. They are just as dead, but with more movement.

Where I live hmr ammo is more expensive than magnum ammo. But the difference is about the price of a cup of coffee and a muffin. In all honesty the ammo price is pretty irrelevant for me. Shooting is my main hobby and fuel costs me more than the ammo does. I am aware of how economically you can reload centrefires for. But I have a lot of demands on my free time, so the time saving buying factory hmr ammo is worth more to me than the dollar saving of reloading centrefire ammo. I do reload my .204 and .243, but I use them for foxing and roo shooting.

I have no regrets buying the hmr. In fact l am stoked with it. Given the relatively low purchase price of the Ruger Americans, I am more than happy to own both. For me it is not a question of only having one or the other.

Did you have any trouble from WAPOL getting a 17hmr licensed while having a 22 wmr
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Re: Ruger American .17 HMR

Post by Bruiser64 » 07 Jan 2019, 8:48 pm

Sawyers wrote:
Bruiser64 wrote:Thanks to everyone who has posted on this thread. I now have my 17 HMR Ruger American. I have taken it out into the field a couple of times and I am very happy with it. I also have a 22 magnum Ruger American (which I also really like), to make a direct comparison with. I am shooting 17 grain CCI ballistic tips with the HMR. I use the 30 gun Hornady VMax’s in the 22 WMR.

The most immediately obvious thing is how confidence inspiring the hmr is. It is flat shooting and has great field accuracy. You just put the cross hairs on the bunny, and down it goes. Where I was shooting last night has scrub on the edges of huge bare paddocks. The bunnies sit within (by my rough estimate), 50 to 75 metres of safety and they get pretty they. It is difficult at night for me to estimate range, so the 22lr can be a dodgy proposition. The magnum is better in this environment and the hmr is better again in my initial experience. It was a bit breezy last night, but this made no noticeable difference. At one point it was 7 bunnies for 7 shots. My young bloke (who loves the magnum) used the hmr for the first time last night. He informed me the hmr is something he loves just that whisker more. The flatter trajectory of the hmr made it easier for him to hit the bunnies at longer range than with the magnum last night.

One thing that was surprising was how “unspectacular” a bunny kill can be with the hmr. You hit most of them and they just roll over stone dead. Also on a lot of them it is hard to discern an entry wound and there are no exit wounds. The vmax appears to dump everything into the body. With the magnum and a 22lr the bunnies seem to have a lot of quivering after a shot. They are just as dead, but with more movement.

Where I live hmr ammo is more expensive than magnum ammo. But the difference is about the price of a cup of coffee and a muffin. In all honesty the ammo price is pretty irrelevant for me. Shooting is my main hobby and fuel costs me more than the ammo does. I am aware of how economically you can reload centrefires for. But I have a lot of demands on my free time, so the time saving buying factory hmr ammo is worth more to me than the dollar saving of reloading centrefire ammo. I do reload my .204 and .243, but I use them for foxing and roo shooting.

I have no regrets buying the hmr. In fact l am stoked with it. Given the relatively low purchase price of the Ruger Americans, I am more than happy to own both. For me it is not a question of only having one or the other.

Did you have any trouble from WAPOL getting a 17hmr licensed while having a 22 wmr


No. But you need to have a valid need, which I certainly have. I shoot on a number of different properties which have different features. The HMR has a longer, more accurate range than the magnum. As well as a highly frangible projectile. I definitely find it more effective and humane in some of the situations I regularly shoot in. It is definitely a case of using the right tool for the job.
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Re: Ruger American .17 HMR

Post by simpsonhey » 19 Jan 2019, 5:37 am

Can you get aftermarket stocks for ruger american blued hmr17
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Re: Ruger American .17 HMR

Post by Bruiser64 » 20 Jan 2019, 4:58 pm

simpsonhey wrote:Can you get aftermarket stocks for ruger american blued hmr17


I believe Boyd’s make a stock for the Ruger American rimfire. The stock in the hmr, the magnum and the long rifle appear to be identical.

Here is a link to another forum in which a chap discusses his Boyd’s tick.

https://thefiringline.com/forums/showth ... p?t=560512
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