Need help with a rimfire choice.

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Need help with a rimfire choice.

Post by Chappo » 06 Sep 2018, 10:48 pm

Hi, new forum user here.
For a bit about me I have a post in the introduce yourself thread.

I’d like some opinions on which rimfires you blokes might choose in my situation. I’m looking for ideas on calibres, rifle brands and ammo choices.

I regularly see hares from my back verandah and lately I’ve had alot of foxes out in the paddock too.

The problem is the shot is usually around 150yds.
I can’t move to get closer or whistle them as there is no cover and they see me and leg it.
I’ve tried waiting in the paddock in the wee hours for a 50yd shot with a 22lr with success but this wears thin on a frosty morning.

I don’t want to use anything heavier here cause the neighbours might not appreciate a centrefire going off at 6am.

I’ve done a lot of reading and looked at a million ballistic reports but only confused myself!!

I’m thinking 17hmr, 22wmr, 17 Hornet ???
Thanks in advance.......
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Post by duncan61 » 06 Sep 2018, 11:09 pm

17 HMR will do the job.They make a crack but nothing like a centrefire.at 150 metres they are dead on no hold over needed
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Post by bigrich » 07 Sep 2018, 8:19 am

Well mate, you’ve listed a 17 hornet, which is a centre fire. According to what I’ve read and heard, is about on par for range with 223 but without the muzzle blast. That would be my choice out of what you’ve listed. If it has to be a rim fire, a quality 22 mag would do it . I had a weihrauch that would shoot 1” at 100 with cci 40gr. I had a mate with a Sako 17hmr that would group 2” at 200. With no wind. 22mag has more punch at 100. Just my two cents
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Post by Chappo » 07 Sep 2018, 8:29 am

Thanks guys.
Yeah big rich. Doesn’t have to be a rimfire, just trying to keep the noise down a bit and I don’t have experience with the less common Hornet - bee etc rounds.
I’m leaning towards 22wmr for the extra stopping power at 150yds.
Duncan, I see you’ve got a .22 Hornet. What do you think of it?
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Post by Daddybang » 07 Sep 2018, 8:38 am

.22 wmr with 40gr rounds will more than cover the hares/rabbits at that range I've never taken foxes so can't comment on them. Wmr ammo can be a little expensive but it's not to bad :thumbsup: :drinks:
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Post by SCJ429 » 07 Sep 2018, 9:24 am

I hate the idea of a rimfire more powerful than a 22LR because they are so much more expensive to shoot, costing as much or more than what you could reload a 223. You can reduce the load for a 223 or 222 so they are as quiet as a 22LR but have the ability to have a full power load and hit things at 300 metres with ease. If I were you I would look at a 204, 222 or 223.
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Post by Daddybang » 07 Sep 2018, 9:51 am

SCJ429 wrote:I hate the idea of a rimfire more powerful than a 22LR because they are so much more expensive to shoot, costing as much or more than what you could reload a 223. You can reduce the load for a 223 or 222 so they are as quiet as a 22LR but have the ability to have a full power load and hit things at 300 metres with ease. If I were you I would look at a 204, 222 or 223.


While ya dead right not everyone has the ability or inclination to reload . :drinks:
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Post by SCJ429 » 07 Sep 2018, 9:59 am

Very true but anyone who will sit in a frosty paddock for hours to get a shot off at Charlie Fox is not lacking in motovation.
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Post by in2anity » 07 Sep 2018, 10:48 am

i yu do end up reloading, 204 pills over trail boss
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Post by Chappo » 07 Sep 2018, 11:15 am

Thanks.
I totally see your point but I’ve never been too interested in reloading and I don’t shoot that much to worry about the cost.
Was just wanting something off the shelf that is quiet enough and will put those pesky Critters to sleep. And not just give them a headache.
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Post by in2anity » 07 Sep 2018, 11:34 am

i think the 17hmr might be your best option mate - i imagine the hornets will have a noticeably louder report not to mention be more expensive to run (factory).
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Post by bladeracer » 07 Sep 2018, 3:48 pm

Chappo wrote:I don’t want to use anything heavier here cause the neighbours might not appreciate a centrefire going off at 6am.


I wouldn't be concerned about firing a centrefire in the wee hours. We have spotlighters shooting foxes all around here most nights and the shooting doesn't wake us up once we're asleep. One or two shots isn't going to upset anybody, unless they're city types of course.
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Post by bladeracer » 07 Sep 2018, 3:54 pm

in2anity wrote:i you do end up reloading, 204 pills over trail boss


That would be my recommendation as well.
Get a centrefire (.22 Hornet, .223Rem, .204, .243) and have somebody load you some reduced loads (or even subsonic) for it to suit the range you're shooting, or just get a Lee Loader. 7mm-08 subsonic 120gn bullets hit pretty hard without much noise.
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Post by duncan61 » 07 Sep 2018, 4:57 pm

In the 90s W.A. had high and low power licensing system where Hornet was considered low power but 218 bee was high power.To get a high power lic you needed a lot of land and good reason or join a rifle club where you could only be in possession on the way too or from said club.To get a shotgun or Hornet you needed 5 acres and not too many questions were asked.The modern A/B system is similar regards rimfire and centrefire.This ruling kept Hornet very popular here and keen shooters would get the chamber reamed to K specs and squeeze 2 more grains of powder in the case and start getting 2500fps velocity with pistol powder.My first hornet was a combo 410 shotgun/Scoped Hornet barrel interchange and I had many years of hunting small game and foxes on private properties a chest shot small roo would usually drop on the spot.my second Hornet was a brand new H/R single shot hammer rifle which I purchased as I was terminating sick cows on the dairy farm I worked on and several other farms and the Hornet would finish them off better than .22LR.It was open sights but I did at least a dozen foxes over 4 years.It was stolen at a remote Aborigional community in the Gascoyne and the little champions engraved the stock with there names so I sold it to a buddy when I came home.The Hornet I have on my licence now was part of my mates who had it taken on a domestic years ago and I put it on my licence.It is a Savage bolt action open sight and I must get a mag for it one day.When we do the ambush thing on the farm who ever does the walk up takes it as one shot is enough to brain a roo at close range and the shot flushes all the others out.I doubt it will ever get a scope even though I have a few lying around.P.S. of all the ranges I have been to and other shooters I have met no one ever said Hornet was crap.If you go to a remote country town hardware store I bet they have hornet ammo
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Post by bladeracer » 07 Sep 2018, 5:34 pm

duncan61 wrote:of all the ranges I have been to and other shooters I have met no one ever said Hornet was crap.If you go to a remote country town hardware store I bet they have hornet ammo


I have a soft spot for the hornet, but for a reloader it's a waste, you can duplicate the Hornet with all the other .22's, as well as significantly exceed what the Hornet is capable of. I've also read that the .22 and .17 Hornets can be finicky to load for accuracy, although I've never tried myself.
If I were interested in a .17, the Hornet would be my first choice.
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Post by duncan61 » 07 Sep 2018, 8:06 pm

Sometimes in life we do things for the hell of it.I reload hornet and love the little fella.It will never catch the .222 no matter what some people claim and I soft load my .222 for about 2800 with 50g pills even a K hornet wont go that fast
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Post by duncan61 » 07 Sep 2018, 8:08 pm

with 50gn pills.I see lighter pills will get up and boogy
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Post by duncan61 » 07 Sep 2018, 8:11 pm

damn now I have to get these 22 Cal .224 35 gr V-MAX® and spend the weekend reloading
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