.22 rimfire barrel cleaning. Costly mistake.

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Post by bigfellascott » 14 Dec 2018, 5:07 pm

Never had bore guides when I bought my Brno Mod 2, I still don't have a bore guide for it, seems to shoot fine not that I clean it much, :unknown:
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Post by deanp100 » 14 Dec 2018, 8:12 pm

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Diamond Jim wrote:Ummm.... not doubting your experience but I've cleaned my 452 many times with no apparent ill-effect. I use a "Possum Hollow" rod guide, brass brush, solvent, patches etc. The ejector doesn't seem to come into the equation.


Brass brush for cleaning a .22LR bore? I don't even use a nylon brush in the .22's, just soak with solvent and patch out until clean.

Irrespective of what is needed, brass or nylon should not have damaged a steel barrel first time. I reckon you could nearly stick a rat tail file up a barrel once and not do anything. After all they are steel. So what did the damage., the scratches in rod then passing through the bore. Still doesn’t sound right. Are you sure the gunsmith isn’t having a go.
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Post by bladeracer » 14 Dec 2018, 8:16 pm

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bladeracer wrote:
Diamond Jim wrote:Ummm.... not doubting your experience but I've cleaned my 452 many times with no apparent ill-effect. I use a "Possum Hollow" rod guide, brass brush, solvent, patches etc. The ejector doesn't seem to come into the equation.


Brass brush for cleaning a .22LR bore? I don't even use a nylon brush in the .22's, just soak with solvent and patch out until clean.


Irrespective of what is needed, brass or nylon should not have damaged a steel barrel first time. I reckon you could nearly stick a rat tail file up a barrel once and not do anything. After all they are steel. So what did the damage., the scratches in rod then passing through the bore. Still doesn’t sound right. Are you sure the gunsmith isn’t having a go.


I'm not suggesting any brush would damage the bore, simply surprised that anybody has a .22 that requires brushes to clean.
He said that the rod being forced to the right side of the chamber by the ejector damaged the leade on that side.

I would want to see how it shoots before determining it was actually "damaged", no point replacing a barrel that still shoots.
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Post by deanp100 » 14 Dec 2018, 9:10 pm

If he had a brush on it would have centred the rod as well. I don’t get that a scratched or misaligned rod, no matter how hard it is jammed to one side is going to do anything detrimental on one occasion. After years of use maybe .I say shoot it as well.
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Post by Diamond Jim » 18 Dec 2018, 2:14 am

"Brass brush for cleaning a .22LR bore? I don't even use a nylon brush in the .22's, just soak with solvent and patch out until clean."

It's just what I do with my rifles. Doesn't seem to do any harm. Give 'em a scrub, solvent and patch until clean. Oil before putting in the safe. In my centrefires I use Sweets for copper fouling.
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Post by No1_49er » 18 Dec 2018, 12:26 pm

Seems some people doubt the need to use a brush to clean a 22 RF barrel.
After passing a number of clean patches through a barrel, and seeing no more (apparent) evidence of anything remaining, take the time to push a clean bronze brush through, and watch the dust cloud that forms as the brush exits the muzzle.
If you think that is "nothing", then go right ahead and use your "non-method". There IS sh1t in there that needs to be removed.
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Post by bladeracer » 18 Dec 2018, 12:45 pm

No1_49er wrote:Seems some people doubt the need to use a brush to clean a 22 RF barrel.
After passing a number of clean patches through a barrel, and seeing no more (apparent) evidence of anything remaining, take the time to push a clean bronze brush through, and watch the dust cloud that forms as the brush exits the muzzle.
If you think that is "nothing", then go right ahead and use your "non-method". There IS sh1t in there that needs to be removed.


Does the remaining dust cloud affect the accuracy though?
I don't clean a bore to make it clean, I clean it to make it shoot accurately again.
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Post by Ziad » 18 Dec 2018, 1:40 pm

But thr million dollar situation is how often to clean a 22lr barrel. Mone is close to 700 rounds since last clean.... I can see some particles in barrel
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Post by bladeracer » 18 Dec 2018, 2:57 pm

Ziad wrote:But thr million dollar situation is how often to clean a 22lr barrel. Mine is close to 700 rounds since last clean.... I can see some particles in barrel


With my Rugers I'm going around 1500rds before having any issues. I went close to 3000rds with the Target model recently and was still hitting longer-range targets despite the grouping opening up a little.

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Post by Wm.Traynor » 18 Dec 2018, 4:11 pm

bladeracer wrote:
No1_49er wrote:Seems some people doubt the need to use a brush to clean a 22 RF barrel.
After passing a number of clean patches through a barrel, and seeing no more (apparent) evidence of anything remaining, take the time to push a clean bronze brush through, and watch the dust cloud that forms as the brush exits the muzzle.
If you think that is "nothing", then go right ahead and use your "non-method". There IS sh1t in there that needs to be removed.


Does the remaining dust cloud affect the accuracy though?
I don't clean a bore to make it clean, I clean it to make it shoot accurately again.


The "dust" is burnt carbon and that is what holds atmospheric moisture against the steel, eventually resulting in rust. Do you live in a dry part of Oz, bladeracer? If so, that might be why your barrels don't rust. I live near the Pacific north of Bris, where the air is salty and humid. Perfect recipe for rust.
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Post by bladeracer » 18 Dec 2018, 4:42 pm

Wm.Traynor wrote:The "dust" is burnt carbon and that is what holds atmospheric moisture against the steel, eventually resulting in rust. Do you live in a dry part of Oz, bladeracer? If so, that might be why your barrels don't rust. I live near the Pacific north of Bris, where the air is salty and humid. Perfect recipe for rust.


Are you saying that a .22LR bore will rust despite the coating of bullet lubricant? I can't recall ever seeing that. I would think scraping the lube out of the bore is more likely to result in rusting.
I wouldn't say Central Gippsland is dry :-)
But I do shoot very, very regularly.
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Post by Wm.Traynor » 18 Dec 2018, 7:25 pm

Yes, the bore of my late lamented 452 rusted because I did not clean it. By that I mean, including oiling after cleaning. Maybe you don't give it time to rust?
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Post by in2anity » 18 Dec 2018, 7:30 pm

bladeracer wrote:I scored a case of CCI Std Vel yesterday for $500 :-)

Good price- where’d you score that?
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Post by bladeracer » 18 Dec 2018, 7:52 pm

Wm.Traynor wrote:Yes, the bore of my late lamented 452 rusted because I did not clean it. By that I mean, including oiling after cleaning. Maybe you don't give it time to rust?


I have a lot of rifles, and can't shoot them all every week, some sit in the safe for months.
No sign of any rust, although I did notice a tiny patch of "roughness" on the front barrel band of the Henry the other day. Couldn't really determine it is rust but I gave it some gun grease to be safe.
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Post by bladeracer » 18 Dec 2018, 8:05 pm

in2anity wrote:
bladeracer wrote:I scored a case of CCI Std Vel yesterday for $500 :-)

Good price- where’d you score that?


My dealer that closed his shop down in September.
I was placing an order with Rebels but I know he's stopped working while he finishes emptying the shop out. Thought he might be able to use some cash so I rang, told him what I was ordering and that I was happy to give the money to him if he could supply it. I was actually thinking that he's going up to Melbourne to collect my rifles from Border Force anyway, maybe he could combine it with collecting an order of ammo/powders/primers and put some extra cash in his pocket. He can't be arsed ordering via distributors anymore, but said he was still going through his stocks and would let me know what he's got left.

He also found 4kg of AR2206H for me, but when I picked it up yesterday I asked what was in the bottom of the box. He thought it was empty but we checked, another ten bottles of AR2206H :-)
So I brought home 10kg of powders (grabbed some AR2213SC as well), and he found 5000 primers ($200!), and a brick of CCI Quiet - turned into quite a haul.

He still has some DG stuff he's toting up.
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Post by lee_enfield223 » 23 Dec 2018, 4:06 pm

I would add the extra $ and get a Lilja barrel fitted with a nice custom stock , your 452 action is in MHO better than the current 455's and hatches makes some nice stocks
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Post by marksman » 23 Dec 2018, 6:47 pm

lee_enfield223 wrote:I would add the extra $ and get a Lilja barrel fitted with a nice custom stock , your 452 action is in MHO better than the current 455's and hatches makes some nice stocks


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Post by bigrich » 23 Dec 2018, 8:23 pm

bladeracer wrote:
Wm.Traynor wrote:The "dust" is burnt carbon and that is what holds atmospheric moisture against the steel, eventually resulting in rust. Do you live in a dry part of Oz, bladeracer? If so, that might be why your barrels don't rust. I live near the Pacific north of Bris, where the air is salty and humid. Perfect recipe for rust.


Are you saying that a .22LR bore will rust despite the coating of bullet lubricant? I can't recall ever seeing that. I would think scraping the lube out of the bore is more likely to result in rusting.
I wouldn't say Central Gippsland is dry :-)
But I do shoot very, very regularly.


i know a fella on here who was passed down his uncles voere 22lr . i think it was a late 60's early 70's model. had a couple of boxes of lead projectiles put down it, then sat under uncles bed for about thirty years . no rust in the bore and it shoots one hole groups . i believe the lead and lubricant coating acts to stop rust. i only shoot lead projectiles and i only use a nylon brush and "push" the dust out the end of the barrel with maybe three passes. then one ore two dry patches and i'm done . i try not to disturb the "leading" in the barrel by cleaning too hard. :drinks: :thumbsup:
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