Alfa Proj Carbine/hunter (revolving carbine)

[cracker]

Ok. No. I'm not going to interact any further with a troll. Anyone who owns or has owned (or even used) a 10/22 would not be calling it gas operated.

whats is the method of actuating the bolt? its just not a locked bolt its still gas operated.

[Wombat]

Ok. No. I'm not going to interact any further with a troll. Anyone who owns or has owned (or even used) a 10/22 would not be calling it gas operated.

whats is the method of actuating the bolt? its just not a locked bolt its still gas operated.

It is a blowback semi automatic, not a gas operated semi auto or a recoil operated semi auto or an open bolt blowback semi auto.
A gas operated semi auto uses the gas from combustion (usually tapped from towards the muzzle end of the barrel) via a piston and operating rod to work the bolt.
A blowback action could be argued to be Gas operated, equally it could also be argued it is Recoil operated.

[cracker]

Ok. No. I'm not going to interact any further with a troll. Anyone who owns or has owned (or even used) a 10/22 would not be calling it gas operated.

whats is the method of actuating the bolt? its just not a locked bolt its still gas operated.

It is a blowback semi automatic, not a gas operated semi auto or a recoil operated semi auto or an open bolt blowback semi auto.
A gas operated semi auto uses the gas from combustion (usually tapped from towards the muzzle end of the barrel) via a piston and operating rod to work the bolt.
A blowback action could be argued to be Gas operated, equally it could also be argued it is Recoil operated.

meh im not arguing semantics over small arms design.

[Wombat]

Ok. No. I'm not going to interact any further with a troll. Anyone who owns or has owned (or even used) a 10/22 would not be calling it gas operated.

whats is the method of actuating the bolt? its just not a locked bolt its still gas operated.

It is a blowback semi automatic, not a gas operated semi auto or a recoil operated semi auto or an open bolt blowback semi auto.
A gas operated semi auto uses the gas from combustion (usually tapped from towards the muzzle end of the barrel) via a piston and operating rod to work the bolt.
A blowback action could be argued to be Gas operated, equally it could also be argued it is Recoil operated.

meh im not arguing semantics over small arms design.

Well you did start to. Is it because you consider that your assertion is correct, but that I am intransigent that you want to stop? Or did you actually check and realize your mistake?

[mickb]

Talk about trolling....

[mickb]

I think what mickb meant is that the A22R cannot be operated with an action of a single finger, thus losing speed. The fact that you need two hands operating the action also increases the inaccuracy as you no longer have a firm grip, especially if you try to shoot it offhand. I have also tried cycling the gun with two hands in person and the heavy release lever wobbles my aim a bit, maybe with some practice I'll get quicker and steadier but with the same effort you can shoot a double action revolver much more smoothly.

I agree its not a great way to hold a gun. I had a play with it like that but being able to use real semi-autos it was way too much embuggerance to bother with. The revolver gets a lot closer to 'work levels' which is why I wanted one to let the family play around and take hunting too.

Funnily enough the orginal revolver carbines in the day were often held with both hands back near the action too, when the supporting hand was kept behind the cylinder for safety. One of the reasons the design was extremely unpopular.

[cracker]

Ok. No. I'm not going to interact any further with a troll. Anyone who owns or has owned (or even used) a 10/22 would not be calling it gas operated.

whats is the method of actuating the bolt? its just not a locked bolt its still gas operated.

It is a blowback semi automatic, not a gas operated semi auto or a recoil operated semi auto or an open bolt blowback semi auto.
A gas operated semi auto uses the gas from combustion (usually tapped from towards the muzzle end of the barrel) via a piston and operating rod to work the bolt.
A blowback action could be argued to be Gas operated, equally it could also be argued it is Recoil operated.

meh im not arguing semantics over small arms design.

Well you did start to. Is it because you consider that your assertion is correct, but that I am intransigent that you want to stop? Or did you actually check and realize your mistake?

i would consider a auto 5 a recoil actuated gun, where as a 22lr straight blow back more so a gas/recoil operated i guess... im not sure it really matters
the way i look at the operation, one uses recoil to run the action the other gas pressure and recoil i guess. once again semantics.
"REALISING" mistakes is one of the most humble things someone can do, it doesnt alway matter.

[mickb]

As hey say crackers, when the debate gets too hard, don't get angry, get semantic. I'm still waiting for a video of this two handed trigger/trigger release style showing it runs as fast and easily as a semi-auto.... Seriously if the gun did anything like that it would have sold out in stores one week and been banned from imports the second.

[cracker]

As hey say crackers, when the debate gets too hard, don't get angry, get semantic. I'm still waiting for a video of this two handed trigger/trigger release style showing it runs as fast and easily as a semi-auto.... Seriously if the gun did anything like that it would have sold out in stores one week and been banned from imports the second.

... it might run well if a part was to wear out...or fail... but that would be recoil operation

honestly i think they have sold okay... but not as well as the adler did and they are kinda nasty... and some what effective...

id love to see some pictures/strip one down to see how they use the double trigger/bolt release type..thing.
only reason its legal here is because the semi auto was never released...good marketing savage.

im guessing it just has a 2nd trigger that stops the bolt running forward... and then you have your trigger for the firing pin.

the mind wonders at the thought of a jb welded fixed firing pin.

[Cranky247]

Do we have any advice on the accuracy of these little revolver rifles? I like weird and different guns but do appreciate some level of accuracy.

I figured I'd add to an existing thread and try to drag it back on topic