Dabi wrote:Being a big fan of revolvers, I eventually found the only production revolving carbines on the market for 22lr here in Australia, the Alfa Proj carbines. Does anyone have any experiences with those? Especially the Hunter, or if you own both, how do they compare? The 16.5 inch carbine is a bit out of my budget, but I'm willing to pay for the premium if the hunter really isn't up to quality. Also it is quite a bit lighter being just over 2kg while the carbine in 16.5 inch is about 2.5kg. Which one shoulders better and is easier to carry around? And does the back and forward blast really effects your shooting much?
Any answers and opinions will be greatly appreciated
Crazy wrote:Dabi wrote:Being a big fan of revolvers, I eventually found the only production revolving carbines on the market for 22lr here in Australia, the Alfa Proj carbines. Does anyone have any experiences with those? Especially the Hunter, or if you own both, how do they compare? The 16.5 inch carbine is a bit out of my budget, but I'm willing to pay for the premium if the hunter really isn't up to quality. Also it is quite a bit lighter being just over 2kg while the carbine in 16.5 inch is about 2.5kg. Which one shoulders better and is easier to carry around? And does the back and forward blast really effects your shooting much?
Any answers and opinions will be greatly appreciated
Rossi use to produce a revolving carbine in .44 mag and .410/45 long colt you see them floating around at gun shops, usedguns.com or ozgunsales.com.
Crazy wrote:Dabi wrote:Being a big fan of revolvers, I eventually found the only production revolving carbines on the market for 22lr here in Australia, the Alfa Proj carbines. Does anyone have any experiences with those? Especially the Hunter, or if you own both, how do they compare? The 16.5 inch carbine is a bit out of my budget, but I'm willing to pay for the premium if the hunter really isn't up to quality. Also it is quite a bit lighter being just over 2kg while the carbine in 16.5 inch is about 2.5kg. Which one shoulders better and is easier to carry around? And does the back and forward blast really effects your shooting much?
Any answers and opinions will be greatly appreciated
Rossi use to produce a revolving carbine in .44 mag and .410/45 long colt you see them floating around at gun shops, usedguns.com or ozgunsales.com.
Wombat wrote:Try a Savage A22R - you may be surprised at how close it is to a semi, without the drawbacks of a revolving rifle.
Dabi wrote:Crazy wrote:Dabi wrote:Being a big fan of revolvers, I eventually found the only production revolving carbines on the market for 22lr here in Australia, the Alfa Proj carbines. Does anyone have any experiences with those? Especially the Hunter, or if you own both, how do they compare? The 16.5 inch carbine is a bit out of my budget, but I'm willing to pay for the premium if the hunter really isn't up to quality. Also it is quite a bit lighter being just over 2kg while the carbine in 16.5 inch is about 2.5kg. Which one shoulders better and is easier to carry around? And does the back and forward blast really effects your shooting much?
Any answers and opinions will be greatly appreciated
Rossi use to produce a revolving carbine in .44 mag and .410/45 long colt you see them floating around at gun shops, usedguns.com or ozgunsales.com.
yeah I actually ordered a rossi in 22 before refunding it; after hearing some of it's problems and it's poor quality control I'm planning to go for a Alfa instead.
Dabi wrote:Wombat wrote:Try a Savage A22R - you may be surprised at how close it is to a semi, without the drawbacks of a revolving rifle.
I have tried it out, maybe you can shoot it fast but I think not as fast as a smooth pump action since you have an additional hand to operate the action. You might be able to lock the bolt with your grip hand on A22R but it'll affect your shooting stance, with trigger finger it's not that fast since the bolt release is heavy, might as well go for the T-bolt.
Unless you mod it to have the ergonomics of a Speedline or something Or put a slide in front of the release and make it into a mini pump action, that'll be really fast
edit: and we all know how fast you can pull the DA trigger if you practice
cracker wrote:picked one up at a local gun shot in 22lr, felt really small which suits me being a shorter guy, think it would be alot of fun, trigger pull isnt terrible..very much just a revolver with a stock... which it is...
think most revolving carbins would be great fun if your mate had one, not sure id buy one... but for the right price 45 long colt/ 410 shotgun sure would be fun.
mickb wrote:Hi I had the 12" barrel version 22LR alfa carbine which is allowed in QLD. Sold it for financial reasons, wish I had kept it.
Thoughts on it. Its fit and finish is very nice, I also owned a 45colt rossi circuit judge many years ago and I'd put the alfa as better.
I found the HKS 9 shot speedloader made for Rossi will work in this gun, so you can do quick reloads. I was possibly one of the first to do it. I called the distributor and even mailed the manufacturer years back and no one knew if any worked. So I ordered some different 9 shot speedloaderss from brownells Australia and the HKS worked fine.Then I let the distributors know as well which they were grateful as its another selling point.
Regards it older competition. the rossi circuit judge in 22LR/22WMR - I didn't own one in this calibre but looked into them . They were good guns but the 22WMR option was a bit of a gimmick in my opinion as going off the chrony reading others did it was losing way too many fps from the gap for some reason. I think they were testing WMR loads at 1500fps or so... they weren't running much faster than 22LR stingers.
I did not get a chance to test accuracy in the Alfa as I was just blasting trees and boxes before I had to let it go. However the cylinder cycles very well. The trigger pull is heavy, however on single action( or double action, I can never remember which is which) the one you pre-cock the hammer anyway, it becomes light and easy to fire. Even with the double( action?) on rapid you can fire all in under 2.5seconds.
The gun can also be shot pistol style, aka hands outstretched and its quite manageable like this with the 12" barrel, like a big silhouette gun, but obviously the 16.5" I doubt it.
I ended up getting the gunstore to put a rail and red dot on it before I sold it and I apologise for not remembering the brands as I had a bit going on in my life at the time.
The downsides.
The alfa is noisy. No blast shield like the Rossi. And while I didnt notice any dramas from gas cutting to my supporting hand, you dont want to fire this without earmuffs! Even though 22LR you will get some gas and noise coming back, its almost like a 22LR handgun. Obviously the 12" barrel didnt; help but there is a review on youtube of some bloke comparing the longer 16.5" version with the Rossi circuirt judge in 22Lr and he remarks the alfa is much noisier. The issue with revolver carbines is unlike a handgun where you are holding the gun at arms length, with a stocked revolver the cylinder gap is now much closer to your face, only a few inches from your ears. This is actually why I sold my 45 colt circuit judge, even with earplugs my ears would always be ringing after shoots. The 22LR obviously not as bad as a centrefire... but worth mentioning if you intend to use this without plugs...
I am strongly considering picking another up for myself, maybe in the 16.5". I'd love to see if I can get a blast shield like the rossi made for it by some savvy custom gunsmith.
All in all I give it quality marks over the rossi having owned both, anecdotally( only from the reviews I researched) better accuracy to the alfa, noise levels the alfa loses badly( lol). General appearance- well I hate synthetic stocks and skeleton grips so the alfa won for me there. It is really an atrractive gun in the flesh. People take a minute to work out just what they are looking at, and stocked revolvers aren't for all tastes, but it is quite pretty for lack of a better word
mickb wrote:You will have some fun mate, while no .308, 9 x CCI stingers in 2 seconds has some uses I orginally got my 12" as a light handy backup/finisher to my crossbow for pigs and deerr.
I never saw the 20" in the flesh but I'd personally go for 16.5" only as 22LR having only 1-2 grains of powder in the case, develops almost all its velocity within 16" of barrel , though you will lose a bit of velocity from the cylinder gap.
I wished I would have studied mine more when I had my hands on it especially regarding how a blast guard might go. When you get yours if you have an idea feel free to let me know.
Wombat wrote:Try a Savage A22R - you may be surprised at how close it is to a semi, without the drawbacks of a revolving rifle.
Wombat wrote:The Savage is a blowback semi with a bolt hold open. The speed is dependent on your coordination between release and trigger, some skill is admittedly required. After a couple of magazines I was getting ten shot 50 meter groups around playing card size just as fast as I could pre 96.
Should I forget my hands on experience and alter my comment in line with "wot some bloke had on his phone"? FFS.
Wombat wrote:The Savage is a blowback semi with a bolt hold open. The speed is dependent on your coordination between release and trigger, some skill is admittedly required.
After a couple of magazines I was getting ten shot 50 meter groups around playing card size just as fast as I could pre 96.
Should I forget my hands on experience and alter my comment in line with "wot some bloke had on his phone"? FFS.
cracker wrote:Wombat wrote:The Savage is a blowback semi with a bolt hold open. The speed is dependent on your coordination between release and trigger, some skill is admittedly required. After a couple of magazines I was getting ten shot 50 meter groups around playing card size just as fast as I could pre 96.
Should I forget my hands on experience and alter my comment in line with "wot some bloke had on his phone"? FFS.
only thing i can get close to a semi speedwise is a browning trombone off the hip... completely pointless other then smiles value
dont get too hung up on how fast, doesnt really matter
even mag dumping a semi auto 22lr kinda just results in a shotgun pattern with me anyway
Wombat wrote:Most people do not have a cat C license, but do have two hands and ten digits. Your shooting hand trigger finger is not required to operate the release.
mickb wrote:Wombat wrote:Most people do not have a cat C license, but do have two hands and ten digits. Your shooting hand trigger finger is not required to operate the release.
Pulling the two objects with the master hand is heavy and slow mate. Have you actually fired the gun the OP is asking about?
Wombat wrote:"The revolver gets closest to gas operated semi autos and is still in a relatively stable firing position, The heaviness of the double action trigger aka the fact your finger is doing all the work in cycling the action means they do run slower than 10/22 etc."
So. What are the gas operated .22's? A 10/22 is a blowback semiauto. Even the AR15 conversions for .22lr are blowback.
Wombat wrote:mickb wrote:Wombat wrote:Most people do not have a cat C license, but do have two hands and ten digits. Your shooting hand trigger finger is not required to operate the release.
Pulling the two objects with the master hand is heavy and slow mate. Have you actually fired the gun the OP is asking about?
You seem confused. The Bolt release on the Savage does not need to be operated by your trigger finger, or indeed your dominant hand is the point I was trying to convey.
Wombat wrote:mickb wrote:Wombat wrote:Most people do not have a cat C license, but do have two hands and ten digits. Your shooting hand trigger finger is not required to operate the release.
Pulling the two objects with the master hand is heavy and slow mate. Have you actually fired the gun the OP is asking about?
You seem confused. The Bolt release on the Savage does not need to be operated by your trigger finger, or indeed your dominant hand is the point I was trying to convey.