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10/22 air-rifle

Post by bladeracer » 27 May 2019, 1:56 pm

https://www.umarexusa.com/ruger-1022-177-co2
650fps, straight-pull repeater.
Uses a 10rd replica BX magazine too.

Any likelyhood of seeing them here I wonder.
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Re: 10/22 air-rifle

Post by Faedy » 27 May 2019, 3:40 pm

I want now..
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Post by fishburgr » 27 May 2019, 10:35 pm

I've seen them for pre-order so they must be coming.

Depending on how they review I might do a like for like swap from my Crossman 1077 to this.
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Post by cracker » 28 May 2019, 2:04 pm

wonder how much ?
they actually look pretty cool, wonder what they are actually like.... how does a .177 air rifle compare to a 22lr? no where near it im guessing?
still be fun plinking, or shooting feral birds.
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Post by fishburgr » 28 May 2019, 3:57 pm

The only questions I have is that it takes 2 C02 cartridges where as thje Crossman 1077 only takes one. They both have the same claimed power of 600fps and the Crossman will shoot over 40 pellets with 1 c02 cartridge. So does that mean the Umarex will shoot 80+? I rarely shoot even one full c02 cartridge and end up wasting a lot so I imagine the waste would be even more with the Umarex unless your shooting 80- pellets each time you load it up.

Maybe your supposed to just leave it charged but Ive never wanted to do that, seems risky.
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Post by bladeracer » 28 May 2019, 5:06 pm

cracker wrote:wonder how much ?
they actually look pretty cool, wonder what they are actually like.... how does a .177 air rifle compare to a 22lr? no where near it im guessing?
still be fun plinking, or shooting feral birds.


Pretty significant difference in energy between the two pellets just due to their size. I think the heaviest are about 25gn in .22" and 21gn in .177", but most .177" pellets are around 8gn.

I think it'd just be a bit of nostalgic pleasure to sit in a field plinking with a faux 10/22 :-)
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Re: 10/22 air-rifle

Post by bladeracer » 28 May 2019, 5:47 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBdZr_zVuVM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBkppEAIbDQ

Interesting that they tested noise levels at 97dBa.

Compared to .22LR HV of 130-140dBa and CCI Quiet at 68dBa
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Post by on_one_wheel » 28 May 2019, 8:23 pm

I'm going to release my inner killjoy here.

At that price, I doubt it's going to be much better than the crossman 1077

Personally I steer clear of cheep rubbish like that because it's guaranteed to give you the excitement of the purchase, the anticipation of receiving your firearm and the disappointment of it's lousy performance with the added inconvenience of it needing to be treated and stored as a real firearm.

We're easily excited by this stuff because we're so deprived of the cat C style firearms that we really want.

Hopefully I'm proven wrong :thumbsup:
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Post by cracker » 28 May 2019, 8:30 pm

on_one_wheel wrote:I'm going to release my inner killjoy here.

At that price, I doubt it's going to be much better than the crossman 1077

Personally I steer clear of cheep rubbish like that because it's guaranteed to give you the excitement of the purchase, the anticipation of receiving your firearm and the disappointment of it's lousy performance with the added inconvenience of it needing to be treated and stored as a real firearm.

We're easily excited by this stuff because we're so deprived of the cat C style firearms that we really want.


yeah after watching that video... you could almost shoot it inside your house if it had a long hallway... seems like would be good if it wasnt considered a firearm...
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Post by on_one_wheel » 28 May 2019, 8:39 pm

I'm more tempted to buy a few gel blasters... you know... "for the kids"
full auto, rapid fire, military appearance :lol:
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Post by bladeracer » 29 May 2019, 3:08 am

on_one_wheel wrote:I'm going to release my inner killjoy here.

At that price, I doubt it's going to be much better than the crossman 1077

Personally I steer clear of cheep rubbish like that because it's guaranteed to give you the excitement of the purchase, the anticipation of receiving your firearm and the disappointment of it's lousy performance with the added inconvenience of it needing to be treated and stored as a real firearm.

We're easily excited by this stuff because we're so deprived of the cat C style firearms that we really want.

Hopefully I'm proven wrong :thumbsup:


I do tend to agree with you, but I personally wouldn't expect much in the way of performance from it, and it's pretty cheap.

The 10/22 was my first rifle so it would be purely for nostalgia for me :-)
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Post by snag » 30 May 2019, 6:09 pm

I don't really think that these are intended to be used for hunting or anything other than plinking for the fun of it, and for that they look great. I'd put them in the same category as those Red Rider air guns - a step up from a toy but not a serious firearm. Perfect for training or just having some cheap fun. Sort of the same thing as a cheap air pistol. Many hours spent shooting at Jatz crackers and ping pong balls just for the fun of it ......
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Post by bladeracer » 06 Jun 2019, 4:20 pm

I rang Frontier Arms (Umarex importer) and they say they have no plan to bring the 10-22 to Oz at all. They said I can order one through them, but it'll be many months before I see it.

Maybe get onto Frontier and let them know there's a market for them.
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Post by bladeracer » 13 Jul 2019, 3:35 pm

Got some good news this morning :-)
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Re: 10/22 air-rifle

Post by FNQ » 28 Jul 2019, 8:38 pm

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Any review?
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Post by Stix » 28 Jul 2019, 11:39 pm

Look forward to your review...& maybe a vid...?
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Post by bladeracer » 29 Jul 2019, 3:22 am

FNQ wrote:bladeracer

Any review?


Still waiting :-(
Didn't show last week.
They advised me it was dispatched the Thursday before last, so it's taking it's sweet time trekking down from Brisbane.
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Post by bladeracer » 29 Jul 2019, 3:32 am

Stix wrote:Look forward to your review...& maybe a vid...?


I'll do what I can with it. A bit hesitant to offer an In-depth review as I'm far from an air-rifle enthusiast, but I'll certainly let you know if I get $300 worth of enjoyment out of it :-)

I have a good selection of pellets to play with from my testing of the Crosman Slayer, and a carton of 50 CO2 cannisters, which should be good for 1000 shots or so.
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Post by bladeracer » 30 Jul 2019, 3:55 pm

PtA finally came through so I've just been into town to collect it.
Coincidentally, my dealer happens to have a pair of real 10/22's on the shelf, I should've taken a photo of the air-rifle alongside a real one - doh!

I don't think I've seen or handled a 10/22 since 1985, and mine was walnut, this is polymer. The stock appears to be based on the model 21194 of the 10/22 Carbine - https://www.ruger.com/products/1022Carbine/specSheets/21194.html
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The overall feel is certainly familiar, but the balance is not right due to the mechanism inside the butt stock, it's very tail heavy.
I'll have to read the manual to learn how it works, but it's essentially a revolver. Pulling the trigger in double-action, or pulling the charging handle back, pushes a rod out from the action into the dummy magazine, which revolves the cylinder for the next shot.
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This system is purely mechanical and functions regardless of whether the gun has CO2 cylinders, or the magazine installed. You can also decock it by riding the charging handle forward with the trigger pulled. In double-action the trigger feels quite good initially, but goes "numb" towards the break. In single-action the trigger is single-stage, but not crisp, I think I might actually prefer the double-action pull but we'll see once I start shooting it.

With the mag, it weighs 2.06kg, about 460gms lighter than the polymer 10/22. It might be possible to fill the fore end with bog though which would help the balance, and make the weight closer to the original.

One odd thing is that the muzzle is counterbored, so from the front it appears to be around .38-caliber, no idea why they would've done that.
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My initial impression is that I'm very happy with it.
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Post by bladeracer » 01 Aug 2019, 2:47 pm

I managed to find some time this morning before the wind picked up.

I had dumped two mags last night just for giggles, and I used ten shots this morning to zero the rifle with Alcock & Pierce Pro-Pel pellets.
Then off front and rear bags, at 12.5m, I shot a 10-shot group at 31mm, then five shots into 27mm, and 9.5mm, which surprised me after fifty shots on the CO2 canisters. Then I tried one 10-shot single-action group at 23mm, then back to double-action ten shots in 25mm, then 37.5mm, and finally shots 81-90 went into a group that was only 8.5mm wide, but stretched 59mm down the page, the last shot being around 90mm low. Many of the last forty pellets bounced off the wood back to where I was sitting. I probably could've fired another ten or twenty, but velocities would've been so low as to no longer be on the paper...at 12.5m. I would say a good 75 shots though are decent enough for plinking small targets, with perhaps 20mm of elevation drop from full charges. With a little practice to learn the holdover as the CO2 runs out, I think 100 shots is not out of the question.
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I popped in a pair of fresh cartridges, and switched to H&N Field Target Trophy's, putting five single-action into 14mm, then double-action into 21mm, 24mm and 10.5mm. Then I set up the phone to record a mag dump and dumped ten rapidly into 18.5mm in 3.5 seconds - wow!
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Followed by two ten-shot groups of 18mm to finish off. I didn't see any reason to test the more exotic pellets once I'd confirmed this would not be a hunting rifle, the groups are already fine for plinking tenth-scale silhouettes. I did have a target set up at 25m as well, but the wind was really coming in and I didn't see any value in trying to shoot more groups in it. With 160 pellets down the tube, I stopped to do a bit with the Crosman before the wind got too horrendous.
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Even with full cartridges I would not consider this to have enough power for humane hunting of pests beyond about 15m at most. It is significantly, and noticeably quieter than the Crosman Slayer though, so might be useful for clearing rats out of the hay sheds.

I worked out early on that the trigger pull is hugely dependent on having the pellets seated fully in the magazine, any high ones drag heavily, possibly heavy enough to damage the hand or the plastic teeth. Between gloves or frozen fingers I found the best way was to seat them using the base of a gas cartridge. Then spin it in the magazine to ensure it spins freely before putting it into the rifle. If the mag won't seat easily, don't force it. Remove it and check that the centre pin is fully forward, if not it won't seat. I didn't bother much with the single-action, mainly because the charging handle was just under the windage turret, and shooting rested didn't seem to be suffering too much with the trigger pull. In the field I would think single-action would be more beneficial.

A carton of fifty 12gm CO2 cartridges cost me $82 delivered, but should be good for at least 1800 shots, so about five-cents per shot on top of the pellets. The pellets I'm using are 3-5 cents apiece, although there are far more expensive options. So it costs me roughly the same as shooting CCI Std Vel .22LR ammo.

While I like the rifle, I'm hesitant to recommend it, as I think much of my enjoyment might just be nostalgia for my childhood 10/22 rifle. It's fun to shoot, decently accurate, very quiet, fairly cheap, and probably a great choice to teach youngsters about shooting, if that were still legal in most states. It is neat being able to do semi-auto mag dumps again too :-) As the gas bleeds off, you _will_ have pellets coming back at you, so wear eye protection. I would also recommend paper targets hung in a frame (ideally in front of a pellet trap) rather than stuck to any kind of back board, some of the later shots barely made bullet holes in the paper, they look more like they split the paper and pushed through.

Trying to fill the magazine with tiny pellets in cold weather sucks though. And it is annoying that the gas pressure drops off as you shoot it. There's a stage where you have to decide whether to shoot some more with very little pressure, or dry-fire the remaining gas off and swap in some fresh cartridges. I could see where it'd be useful to have some cans or something set up off to the side to expend those last low-velocity shots on rather than just waste the gas. It's also an annoyance having to use up the gas during a session, although I'm really not sure what the ramifications are from leaving it in the safe for a week with gas remaining in it.
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Re: 10/22 air-rifle

Post by peterclark » 14 Oct 2019, 8:00 pm

Powered by two 12-gram CO2 cartridges (CO2 NOT included)
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Post by Knapp » 03 Sep 2020, 5:42 pm

I picked one of these up today and am taking it down to my bush block this weekend for a little plinking.
Mine didn't come with a rail so I am looking for an after market one, any recommendations from those who have one?
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Post by bladeracer » 03 Sep 2020, 11:05 pm

Knapp wrote:I picked one of these up today and am taking it down to my bush block this weekend for a little plinking.
Mine didn't come with a rail so I am looking for an after market one, any recommendations from those who have one?


I ordered a couple of 10-22 rails off Ebay, one a see-through rail that I haven't tried yet. The standard rail does allow you to use the sights when you dismount the scope, but just barely. I currently have a red dot on it. It's definitely great fun :-)
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Post by rc42 » 04 Sep 2020, 8:23 am

I got my 10/22 copy rail from ebay for my Umarex 10/22 as well, probably the same black anodised aluminium one with the groove down the center that just allows use of the open sights. I should have ordered one with screws as they were difficult to find from my bits and pieces screws and bolts collection.

Great fun rifle with a cheap red dot, all the fun of a semi-auto for knocking down a row of small targets quickly
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Post by Knapp » 08 Sep 2020, 4:56 pm

bladeracer wrote:I ordered a couple of 10-22 rails off Ebay, one a see-through rail that I haven't tried yet. The standard rail does allow you to use the sights when you dismount the scope, but just barely. I currently have a red dot on it. It's definitely great fun :-)

Thanks I picked one up off eBay and now I just need to find a red dot for it. Probably pick up something cheap since I have no other need for a red dot.

Had loads of fun with it over the weekend and smashed through 6 co2 canisters and 250 pellets.
Reminded me of being a kid again.
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Post by bladeracer » 08 Sep 2020, 6:01 pm

Knapp wrote:Thanks I picked one up off eBay and now I just need to find a red dot for it. Probably pick up something cheap since I have no other need for a red dot.

Had loads of fun with it over the weekend and smashed through 6 co2 canisters and 250 pellets.
Reminded me of being a kid again.


My red-dots are cheap Chinese ones, they work just fine.
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How I load the mags.
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I keep the pellets in plastic vials of 50, very neat in the pocket.
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I bought spare mags also, but I've found that leaving them loaded, over time, the pellets come loose and fall out. Probably temperature cycling, better to load them when you plan to use them.
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Post by Knapp » 08 Sep 2020, 8:55 pm

I was just looking at that red dot on eBay.

That's two good ideas. I was just fiddling around using my car key to ensure the pellets were flush and I never considered putting the pellets in vials I just kept them in the tin.

I bought the extra mags as well and didn't seem to have an issue with the pellets however I didn't leave them in the mag for long.

Thanks for your suggestions and responses too they have been a great help.
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