bigpete wrote:Hello,a barbarian would use an axe....
bigpete wrote:Oh yes,I have once or twice,and read the book,and happen one or 2 proper "battke" axes...
bigrich wrote:Shootermick wrote:I’ve got a Savage B 22 FVSS, it’s the 21 inch stainless varmint model. Put maybe 100 rounds through it and it shoots really well. My only issue is the barrel length, I do a lot of shooting out of the ute window and the 21 inch barrel is just a bit awkward. I’m thinking about taking it to a smith to have 5 or so inches knocked off it. Anyone had a barrel shortened? What is involved and how much risk is there that it’ll lose its accuracy or create any other issues? Cheers.
hey mick, i've been researching this topic recently as i have a heavy barreled 22 hornet i was thinking of shortening . unlike that barbarian ," bigpete ", i was going to be more civilised than to use a bloody hacksaw i'll go hi tech and use the hitachi drop saw at work nah, seriously i bin looking on UK websites as they regulary shorten barrels to fit "sound moderators" (silencer ) . the general consensus is projectiles start to slow due to fritchon after the optimum barrel length . optimum lengths are thought to be -
22lr - 16"
22mag - 18'
22 hornet - 18-20" these are the opinions of others, these are the generalised findings of fellas who have done it. one fella had a CZ hornet shortened from 22" to 18" and it dropped point of impact with the same handload by 1/2" @100
on proper studies done , there are accuracy nodes . i found a yank that lopped a barrel on a 223 ar type rifle, range tested with a crono , with no real loss of accuracy, just speed and energy. another study conducted showed the optimum barrel length for a 357 mag rifle is 16" . i'd post links if i knew how all the info's out there
good luck
Shootermick wrote:Thanks bigrich. It all sounds like accuracy is not often an issue with the shortened barrel. I’ve decided to drop it back at the shop this Friday and the Smith is going to cut it back to 16-16 1/2 inches. bigpete, I’m sure many like you have done it yourself with good results too, but I don’t trust myself with this rifle, if it was an older one where I had nothing to lose I might give it a go.
bigpete wrote:It's incredibly easy hey lol
on_one_wheel wrote:I've seen a article in a shooter magazine about tiding up a crown with a round die grinder stone by hand... perfect looking results.
bladeracer wrote:Shootermick wrote:Thanks bigrich. It all sounds like accuracy is not often an issue with the shortened barrel. I’ve decided to drop it back at the shop this Friday and the Smith is going to cut it back to 16-16 1/2 inches. bigpete, I’m sure many like you have done it yourself with good results too, but I don’t trust myself with this rifle, if it was an older one where I had nothing to lose I might give it a go.
Has your gunsmith confirmed that this is legal to do then?
If he has I'll be doing my JW21 ASAP!
bigrich wrote:i think how legal it is depends on which state you live in. i think in queensland it's just overall length of the firearm that's the issue.
bladeracer wrote:bigrich wrote:i think how legal it is depends on which state you live in. i think in queensland it's just overall length of the firearm that's the issue.
Yes, but Mick and I are dealing with Victoria law.
bladeracer wrote:bigrich wrote:i think how legal it is depends on which state you live in. i think in queensland it's just overall length of the firearm that's the issue.
Yes, but Mick and I are dealing with Victoria law.
Shootermick wrote:bladeracer wrote:bigrich wrote:i think how legal it is depends on which state you live in. i think in queensland it's just overall length of the firearm that's the issue.
Yes, but Mick and I are dealing with Victoria law.
That’s right Bladeracer, we are talking about Victoria here. I rang my gun shop yesterday and they said it was total overall length of the rifle rather than a specific barrel length, which I think might have been the law previously. They have their own gunsmith in the shop, but I spoke to the owner, and not the gunsmith directly.
straightshooter wrote:As for 'accuracy nodes', it is my understanding they are under the control of the tooth fairy. The tooth fairy hasn't been kind to me as he/she has stolen quite a few of my teeth so I don't think he/she will be any kinder in supplying me with beneficial 'accuracy nodes'.
straightshooter wrote:In NSW there is a minimum length for the barrel, a minimum length for the length of pull and a minimum overall length. The firearm must satisfy all three restrictions concurrently.
It is fairly well established (Dr. G. Kolbe) that for 22LR standard velocity an 18 inch barrel allows the development of maximum velocity so for 22LR HV probably something like 20 inches may be appropriate. I would aim for one of those lengths in preference to absolute minimum legal length.
Also reducing the length of pull may be beneficial as for Shootermick's application overall length is as important as barrel length.
As for 'accuracy nodes', it is my understanding they are under the control of the tooth fairy. The tooth fairy hasn't been kind to me as he/she has stolen quite a few of my teeth so I don't think he/she will be any kinder in supplying me with beneficial 'accuracy nodes'.
Shootermick should read his state laws and regulations and determine for himself the ideal configuration without relying on hearsay opinions.
bladeracer wrote:That's not correct.
We have minimum overall length of 750mm, but we also have a minimum barrel length of 500mm.
bigrich wrote:good on ya for posting that chart blade .that's one i referred to in a earlier post . i found a similar one for 357 mag in a rifle and another graph that related barrel length to projectile caliber and speed .i dunno how to post links , i'm a bit of a luddite when it comes to this computer stuff
on_one_wheel wrote:Thanks to Blades chart, I'm feeling the need to get the hacksaw out now
bladeracer wrote:Shootermick wrote:I’ve got a Savage B 22 FVSS, it’s the 21 inch stainless varmint model. Put maybe 100 rounds through it and it shoots really well. My only issue is the barrel length, I do a lot of shooting out of the ute window and the 21 inch barrel is just a bit awkward. I’m thinking about taking it to a smith to have 5 or so inches knocked off it. Anyone had a barrel shortened? What is involved and how much risk is there that it’ll lose its accuracy or create any other issues? Cheers.
I bought a second barrel to cut to 16" for my JW21 to make it an even better break-down pack rifle.
The law allows us to own a 16" barrel rifle, but it doesn't allow us to shorten a barrel to less than 20".
I plan to write to the commissioner and ask for an exemption to allow me to shorten a rifle I already own rather than have to buy another one for the purpose.
If you're using a scope the barrel length won't matter, anything over 16-18" is wasted in .22LR.
perentie wrote:I just bought a rifle in .357 mag with a 12 inch barrel. Its legal as its over 750 mm overall.
bigrich wrote:good on ya for posting that chart blade .that's one i referred to in a earlier post . i found a similar one for 357 mag in a rifle and another graph that related barrel length to projectile caliber and speed .i dunno how to post links , i'm a bit of a luddite when it comes to this computer stuff . facinating this ballistics/firearms game
it also shows how the projectile speeds can vary up and down at certain barrel lengths which i also referred to in a earlier post as "accuracy nodes" , which is probably a incorrect term, but you guys get what i mean