Dry firing a rimfire

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Dry firing a rimfire

Post by ramshackle » 31 Jul 2019, 5:12 pm

Does dry firing a rimfire damage the chamber or firing pin? Many will tell you "yes". But the answer is often "no", especially with the newer rifles.

This seems to be a topic full of hearsay. I found this interesting, well researched article that answers some questions on it:
https://www.americanhunter.org/articles ... fire-guns/

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Re: Dry firing a rimfire

Post by in2anity » 31 Jul 2019, 5:23 pm

Just think about what is actually happening- the firing pin is smacking steel (instead of brass)- is that really the way you want to treat your gun? Just keep some brass and dry fire into an empty case...
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Re: Dry firing a rimfire

Post by bladeracer » 31 Jul 2019, 5:48 pm

in2anity wrote:Just think about what is actually happening- the firing pin is smacking steel (instead of brass)- is that really the way you want to treat your gun? Just keep some brass and dry fire into an empty case...


The blade of the striker is not smacking anything, it stops short of the chamber face. But the body of the striker is hitting somewhere in the bolt to protect the blade, and that can cause fatigue stress. Although Rugers are safe to dry-fire, I broke a striker in my 10/22. It's common on semi-auto rimfires that don't have a last-round bolt hold-open as you dry fire after the last round virtually every time you empty the magazine.
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Post by Oldbloke » 31 Jul 2019, 6:57 pm

in2anity wrote:Just think about what is actually happening- the firing pin is smacking steel (instead of brass)- is that really the way you want to treat your gun? Just keep some brass and dry fire into an empty case...


Thats what I do. I guess some will and some wont. How would you work that out?
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Post by on_one_wheel » 31 Jul 2019, 6:58 pm

My cz 452 has a witness mark on the back of the barrel from the pin smacking it.

I wouldn't do it deliberately, but it dose happen now and then when I go for that 6'th shot with my 5 shot magazine.

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Re: Dry firing a rimfire

Post by ramshackle » 31 Jul 2019, 8:44 pm

For CZs, you can dry fire of you put an O-ring in the chamber. O rings are much cheaper and last much longer than snap caps/ Which one?

#83 O-Rings — 1/2 in. OD x 5/16 in. ID x 3/32 in. wall thickness

aka size "2.4X8"
Metric CS=2.40 ID=8.00 OD=12.80

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Although ... apparently CZ themselves say:

Answer from CZ:
Dry firing is perfectly fine in our rifles. If you look at the chamber, you'll notice that there is no cutout for the rim of the .22 cartridge. Instead, it's relieved into the boltface, making it so there is no way for the firing pin to damage itself on the barrel when dry firing.


And someone who owns one said (in 2013):

I took my new CZ 452 bolt out and cocked it, finding the firing pin is below the face and good to go for dry firing. To confirm this I placed a piece of thick construction paper on the breech and dry fired the rifle. This confirmed the firing pin does not ping the paper, thus doesn't ping the breech face.

Definitely check your firing pin on your 452 before dry firing.


and another guy said in 2016:

With my CZ 455, I conducted some quick tests with some thin masking tape and can confirm the barrel is not contacted during a dry fire. The rim is entirely seated within the bolt face when it's closed and locked, and the striker does not extend beyond that inset section when actuated.
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Post by Oldbloke » 31 Jul 2019, 9:06 pm

Masking tape seems a simple test. Will check my brno when i get time
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Post by Kelsey Cooter » 31 Jul 2019, 9:55 pm

on_one_wheel wrote:My cz 452 has a witness mark on the back of the barrel from the pin smacking it.

I wouldn't do it deliberately, but it dose happen now and then when I go for that 6'th shot with my 5 shot magazine.

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I have an old browning trombone that I inherited, its the same, the firing pin has marked the barrel from accidental dry firing over the years
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Re: Dry firing a rimfire

Post by Tiger650 » 01 Aug 2019, 4:12 am

Years back saw a rimfire that would not extract a fired case, dry firing had peened the chamber so expanded brass would stick.
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Post by ramshackle » 01 Aug 2019, 7:45 am

Definitely dry firing can be a problem with older guns. How old, I don't know. Best to check as described above....
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Re: Dry firing a rimfire

Post by mickb » 01 Aug 2019, 2:34 pm

I got marks to the 22LR chamber with a Chiappa double badger(22 over 410), it would have only been from a single instance, to be expected with a two trigger combo gun, occasionally you will pull the wrong one, or the kid will. On another tangent, back from its second trip to warranty. Firing pin is huge, hitting at a bad angle and softstriking. Hopefully fixed for good. I hate when a gun plays up continually because I can't even sell it, too honest.
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Post by on_one_wheel » 01 Aug 2019, 3:35 pm

ramshackle wrote:Definitely dry firing can be a problem with older guns. How old, I don't know. Best to check as described above....


Not just the old ones ... I'd bet plenty on new ones smack the pin against the barrel.
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Re: Dry firing a rimfire

Post by YoungBuck » 01 Aug 2019, 3:47 pm

My Savage mkii isn't an 'old' gun and the pin hits the chamber as I can see the strike marks. I don't dry fire it but it does happen in the field from time to time when you lose count of the ammo in the mag.

My Ruger American manual states it is safe to dry fire, I have dry fired it maybe a dozen times (when trigger weight testing) and there is no indication or marker to show that it is striking the chamber.
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Post by bladeracer » 01 Aug 2019, 3:54 pm

YoungBuck wrote:My Savage mkii isn't an 'old' gun and the pin hits the chamber as I can see the strike marks. I don't dry fire it but it does happen in the field from time to time when you lose count of the ammo in the mag.

My Ruger American manual states it is safe to dry fire, I have dry fired it maybe a dozen times (when trigger weight testing) and there is no indication or marker to show that it is striking the chamber.


Rugers have been safe to dry-fire for many decades.
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Re: Dry firing a rimfire

Post by peterclark » 07 Oct 2019, 7:59 pm

There are many benefits to dry firing. Learning is faster and can be safer with dry fire. It's easier to practice without developing a flinch. Dry fire allows shooters to practice in locations where they couldn't practice with live ammo. You can practice grip, drawing, sight alignment, trigger control, reloads, malfunctions, and more during dry fire practice. The technique allows people to conduct a safe, economical form of training to improve their shooting skills. http://bit.ly/2MLQQsL
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Re: Dry firing a rimfire

Post by Stix » 07 Oct 2019, 9:57 pm

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Re: Dry firing a rimfire

Post by bladeracer » 08 Oct 2019, 1:59 am

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peterclark wrote:There are many benefits to dry firing. Learning is faster and can be safer with dry fire. It's easier to practice without developing a flinch. Dry fire allows shooters to practice in locations where they couldn't practice with live ammo. You can practice grip, drawing, sight alignment, trigger control, reloads, malfunctions, and more during dry fire practice. The technique allows people to conduct a safe, economical form of training to improve their shooting skills. http://bit.ly/2MLQQsL


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Re: Dry firing a rimfire

Post by Stix » 08 Oct 2019, 7:27 am

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