‘Long’’ barrelled .22lr for rabbits and targets.

[Blr243]

I think in Qld I’m allowed to let anunlicencened minor shoot and handle my rifle under supervision ( therefore allowing young people to learn ) but if I hand that rifle to an undult it’s not legal

[rc42]

I think in Qld I’m allowed to let an unlicensed minor shoot and handle my rifle under supervision ( therefore allowing young people to learn ) but if I hand that rifle to an adult it’s not legal

This is a real grey area and you might be right, section 52 of the Weapons Act 1990 states "Physical possession and use of weapon sometimes allowed for the purpose of training a minor"
The conditions listed are that it must be a place where it is lawful to possess the weapon (i.e. authorized range or private property) and the minor must be under direct supervision of a parent or guardian who is licensed to possess the weapon.

Other sources suggest that the 'sometimes' part is because the minor also needs to have a minors license, otherwise it would be 'always' allowed if the other criteria are met.

I've done a lot of searching but have been unable to confirm either way, not something I'd like to test in court though.

[TassieTiger]

[/quote]

This is a real grey area and you might be right, section 52 of the Weapons Act 1990 states "Physical possession and use of weapon sometimes allowed for the purpose of training a minor"
The conditions listed are that it must be a place where it is lawful to possess the weapon (i.e. authorized range or private property) and the minor must be under direct supervision of a parent or guardian who is licensed to possess the weapon.

Other sources suggest that the 'sometimes' part is because the minor also needs to have a minors license, otherwise it would be 'always' allowed if the other criteria are met.

I've done a lot of searching but have been unable to confirm either way, not something I'd like to test in court though.[/quote]

My opinion based on dealing with courts and police over the years for various...including learning a lot from taking the QLD police force to court in entirety...
I don’t think a case would get to court based on the lack of outright clarity and existing conjecture (read link Asia’s put up as well) - if it did, the magistrate would need to ultimately clarify the mess and that’s not easy as you’ve found out...so, a common sense approach needs to be adopted (safety being paramount) and if you were then challenged, as long as you can explain reasonable process as to how you’ve arrived at your decision - you would nominally be protected from outright prosecution...even if a police prosecutor took a hard line, if there were no injuries or main stream issues raised - other than training a minor in safe operation - I’d guess that a magistrate would not be happy to see a case before them and probably throw it out.

[Oldbloke]

"If you have that 308...maybe start with that & the Sambar...!!"

Remember, its only 10.5 acres

" After a recent move to a small acreage (10.5) in the Yarra Valley region, instead of using friends guns on their land, I’m finally buying my own guns."

[bladeracer]

"If you have that 308...maybe start with that & the Sambar...!!"

Remember, its only 10.5 acres

" After a recent move to a small acreage (10.5) in the Yarra Valley region, instead of using friends guns on their land, I’m finally buying my own guns."

Doesn't matter, as long as you can ensure the bullet doesn't leave the property.

[Stix]

"If you have that 308...maybe start with that & the Sambar...!!"

Remember, its only 10.5 acres

" After a recent move to a small acreage (10.5) in the Yarra Valley region, instead of using friends guns on their land, I’m finally buying my own guns."

Not sure what your point is--too small sn area i assume is what you're saying...

In any case, i wouldnt be shooting a Sambar across a couple of acres with a 22 rimfire...

[Permie]

Not sure what your point is--too small sn area i assume is what you're saying...

In any case, i wouldnt be shooting a Sambar across a couple of acres with a 22 rimfire...

Yep, small acreage here, (10.5). I need to be careful where I shoot. .22lr should be relatively straightforward, but I doubt I will be using the .308 here much at all, and if/when I do I expect to be looking at a deer. I will have to shoot targets/zero it in somewhere else, at least until I feel more confident with making that much noise.

I have a large area/end of our block that backs onto a very large reserve with a good gully with a small dam where I can shoot across and 100% can ensure my bullets start from and won’t leave my property. I might also make some sort of hide up in a tree in order to get a higher angle and get a bit of a wider range I can shoot while ensuring a safe backstop. There is deer sign all over the place and heaps in the gully, poo, rubbing trees, thrown antlers, eaten sweet pittosporum trees, etc. I have not yet seen samba on my actual property but have disturbed some at dawn in some of our scrub and heard their panic honks, and have seen plenty running around on the roads within a couple of Kms. A good friend recently shot two in 15 minutes on his 20 acre block which is only 1-2km away. I have a trail cam out and I need to figure out their movements a bit better, do a little work to encourage them, and then probably put some very patient long hours in waiting... one day, maybe I will get lucky.
Not exactly the true sporting stalking/tracking/hunting that most seem to value (?) but we have to work with what we’ve got, and having the chance to take deer on my own property was one of selling points of this place for me.

I’ve paid for the Anschutz by the way. 1416 model,
Cheers

[Stix]

Dont worry about the "traditionalist hunters" that want to abuse you...a lot of them will loose animals anyway...not to mention blow out shoulders & waste good meat...if they are truely into tradition they should leave their guns & camo at home & fling rocks at the deer wearing a branch of leaves over their cooty & booty...

There are arguements every way & everyone has their opinion.

If you have deer running through & bedding down on your turf, id say dont spook them away...if that means your fancy is picking & head shooting a meat animal under spotlight once n a while, do it...
Harvest the lot...tan the hide...bones for dogs...nice roasts, hamburgers & sausages...!!...

Good luck to you i say...
Feel free to invite me any time..ill help carry it out of the gully... .

[sungazer]

The real issue about shooting on small properties is to meet ALL the requirements of the law. The 250m from another house or dwelling is going to be a big one and be 100m from a road. Unless of course you have the landowners permission.

[bladeracer]

I took the 18" Henry out just now to measure the CCI Quiets as ambient was only at 41DbA.
I couldn't really find a position that got the shot any lower than 78DbA, so I don't think the phone app has the accuracy required. I have read that you really need to use an external microphone with these apps.

But I did notice that the noise of cycling the lever is 70DbA, and the bolt-action RPR is 68DbA in comparison to the 80-ish of the shots.
As I said, these rounds are _very_ quiet

[Wm.Traynor]

I
But I did notice that the noise of cycling the lever is 70DbA, and the bolt-action RPR is 68DbA in comparison to the 80-ish of the shots.
As I said, these rounds are _very_ quiet

Thank you Bladeracer: that is very interesting. I have a 24" barrelled rimfire that would just love to ventilate a cat or two

[bladeracer]

I would say that if your neighbour can't hear you cycling the action of your rifle, they're not going to hear you shooting low-subsonic .22LR ammo either.

[Oldbloke]

The real issue about shooting on small properties is to meet ALL the requirements of the law. The 250m from another house or dwelling is going to be a big one and be 100m from a road. Unless of course you have the landowners permission.

Sorry, but i thought the point i was making was obvious. Sungazer is correct. And the distances he has quoted sound right. You should get away with an occassional shot with a subbie out of a 22lr. As hardly anyone will even hear it. You still have.may not be compliant. Forget target shooting on 10 acres unless the neighbours are ok with it. But still probably not compliant.

BUT,,, IMO you will be playing with fire if you use a 308 on 10 acres.

In addition, be aware that an app to measure sound pressure on a mobile will give a very rough quide at best. A half decent sound meter i think starts at about $800.00. A good one 2 or 3 k

[Permie]

Totally fine for distance to public road (long block into reserve) and depending where the shooting was done on my place pushing the 250m limit on one house, which is the house I have expressed concern with. Another reason why I will be treading carefully and slowly with them in particular)- seems like that unfortunately means gaining their ‘permission’ rather than just ‘informing them’... dammit. Oh well they are good people, I will remain hopeful.
And yeah, I think I have said enough times that the .308 won’t be getting much use here unless it is pointing at a deer (before which point I will have warned the neighbours that one dawn or dusk that might happen) or way down he track if I know the neighbours are all cool with it/not home/etc. Targets/‘extended sighting-in’ will probably only ever be a subsonic game here, which is actually totally fine and reasonable in my opinion if that is what eventuates.

For what it is worth my place feels a bit more remote with less people and houses around than just down the road where friends and I on their similar properties in higher density dwellings routinely shoot off a variety of large loud centerfires (after warning the surrounding neighbours). More days than not I hear gunshots going off in the distance from my place.

I’ve got a pile of CCI subsonics, and if they are still to noisy I will have to learn how to ‘lob’ the CCI quiets to good effect,
Cheers

[Oldbloke]

I think if your nearly 250 meters from the house they will not hear most subbies. Certainly not if they are in doors.

[Stix]

I would say that if your neighbour can't hear you cycling the action of your rifle, they're not going to hear you shooting low-subsonic .22LR ammo either.

Dunno about that Blade.
Im not argueing with your results, but i still think there is a difference...

The fact is i can cycle my 22 & bunnys at only 20yds can stay put...
But...let just one sub hp escape out the end of the barrel & those highly strung little blighters suddenly make like steel balls in a pinball machine ping around like they're plugged into a socket, easily at 60yds in a different direction...

There is something about the crack from the velocity, the echo from the bullet impact & ricochet, & that little bit of powder under pressure that is very different to racking the bolt of a rimfire.
That bolt doesnt release anywhere near the energy a bullet & the powder does


And WmT...dont let that stop you ventilating those felines...they are in need of fresh air...!!

[bladeracer]

[quote="bladeracer"I would say that if your neighbour can't hear you cycling the action of your rifle, they're not going to hear you shooting low-subsonic .22LR ammo either.[/quote

Dunno about that Blade.
Im not argueing with your results, but i still think there is a difference...

The fact is i can cycle my 22 & bunnys at only 20yds can stay put...
But...let just one sub hp escape out the end of the barrel & those highly strung little blighters suddenly make like steel balls in a pinball machine ping around like they're plugged into a socket, easily at 60yds in a different direction...

There is something about the crack from the velocity, the echo from the bullet impact & ricochet, & that little bit of powder under pressure that is very different to racking the bolt of a rimfire.
That bolt doesnt release anywhere near the energy a bullet & the powder does


And WmT...dont let that stop you ventilating those felines...they are in need of fresh air...!!

Yes, a 10DbA difference...to 710fps CCI Quiet. Subsonics would be louder, up to 130-140DbA. From what I've read, the Subsonics (or "Standard Velocity") never seem to be differentiated from high-velocity supersonic .22LR. High-velocity are certainly louder, but maybe that extra noise is just the sonic crack, the actual burning of the 1gn of powder perhaps makes similar noise whether it's on one side or the other of 1100fps?

The rabbits here, and when I was a kid, are not as skittish as yours, if they are upset by the shot, they generally run a few bounds, then prop and look around.

[TassieTiger]

I’ve set up a uhf with my neighbour (100m) and he can hear my subs when there is no wind. Add in a 5-10km breeze and...he can’t hear anything.

[Stix]

Gees...how stupid is your neighbour to let you shoot his UHF...?

[Wm.Traynor]

I would say that if your neighbour can't hear you cycling the action of your rifle, they're not going to hear you shooting low-subsonic .22LR ammo either.

[TassieTiger]

Gees...how stupid is your neighbour to let you shoot his UHF...?

Well he wanted a VHF, so all worked out well.

[webdogs]

I just picked up a .22 CZ 455 with the carbon fibre wrap around the barrel with 3-9x40 nikko sterling scope for $625 new as part of a package. Better than half price. Only $595 with a fixed x4 scope.

[DaveZ]

The real issue about shooting on small properties is to meet ALL the requirements of the law. The 250m from another house or dwelling is going to be a big one and be 100m from a road. Unless of course you have the landowners permission.

Sorry to hijack the thread, but can anyone point me to where I would find this information in the Qld legislation please? I've looked and can't find any reference to these distances. I'm only on 25 acres so need to be aware of these numbers.

I'm just in the process of acquiring a CZ 455 varmint barrelled 22lr topped with a Vortex Copperhead 4-12 scope for the same purpose as the OP, hoping it's a nice little outfit

Cheers,
Dave.

[bladeracer]

[quote="sungazer"The real issue about shooting on small properties is to meet ALL the requirements of the law. The 250m from another house or dwelling is going to be a big one and be 100m from a road. Unless of course you have the landowners permission.[/quote

Sorry to hijack the thread, but can anyone point me to where I would find this information in the Qld legislation please? I've looked and can't find any reference to these distances. I'm only on 25 acres so need to be aware of these numbers.

I'm just in the process of acquiring a CZ 455 varmint barrelled 22lr topped with a Vortex Copperhead 4-12 scope for the same purpose as the OP, hoping it's a nice little outfit

Cheers,
Dave.

He is Victorian and that is from the Victorian Firearm Regulations. You would need to read the Qld Act and Regs.

[DaveZ]

Yep that's where I've looked but can't find anything. Just wondering if any similar rules actually exist for our state.

[rc42]

Sorry to hijack the thread, but can anyone point me to where I would find this information in the Qld legislation please? I've looked and can't find any reference to these distances. I'm only on 25 acres so need to be aware of these numbers.

I'm just in the process of acquiring a CZ 455 varmint barrelled 22lr topped with a Vortex Copperhead 4-12 scope for the same purpose as the OP, hoping it's a nice little outfit

Cheers,
Dave.

Hi Dave,
All states have their own regulations and there are no distance regulations in QLD
In short, a licensed person can discharge a category A or B firearm at a range or on private RURAL zoned property with the owners express permission. There is no minimum land size but no projectile may leave the property boundary and you should not be viewable from public areas and can't cause fear for neighbors or anyone else (even trespassers).
Noise may also be an issue but is not covered under firearms legislation.

No restrictions on caliber either as long as the above is met but if somebody uses a 338 Lapua for plinking cans on 1 acre they're asking for trouble.

[DaveZ]

Thank you. That pretty much matches the information I could find. Except I'm not sure I found anything that limited it to rural zoning, I'll go back and have another look.

Thanks.
Dave.

[rc42]

The rural zoning restriction is part of the RE1 endorsement for recreational shooting on your license, it's mentioned in Schedule 2, section 14 (page 123) of the Queensland weapons Regulation 2016.

[John]

My vote goes to the model 2 Brno there’s a few around on the second hand market running my Brno really likes CCI standards a little more than CCI quiets it’s a very marginal difference on paper not what I would call noticeable in the field.

[SPRINT-GTO]

I also prefer to shoot a quiet .22 on my small rural block & went through a similar situation to "permie".
I use an old single shot Winchester 67A with a long barrel & shoot shorts
The shorts are so quiet I can be shooting within 10 yards of the house & my wife inside the house does not hear them.
I also prefer to use the shorts rather than have an air rifle.