N.Field wrote:I'm thinking of buying a Winchester 1885 in .17 WSM but before taking the final step I'd like to hear from anyone who has any experience of the round in any of the rifles it's currently available in.
bladeracer wrote:N.Field wrote:I'm thinking of buying a Winchester 1885 in .17 WSM but before taking the final step I'd like to hear from anyone who has any experience of the round in any of the rifles it's currently available in.
If you search gaznazdiak's posts, he had one and really liked it, but wind was a problem and he sold it to get a .223 instead. He did quite a bit of shooting with it as I bought hundreds of spent WSM cases off him.
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bladeracer wrote:N.Field wrote:I'm thinking of buying a Winchester 1885 in .17 WSM but before taking the final step I'd like to hear from anyone who has any experience of the round in any of the rifles it's currently available in.
If you search gaznazdiak's posts, he had one and really liked it, but wind was a problem and he sold it to get a .223 instead. He did quite a bit of shooting with it as I bought hundreds of spent WSM cases off him.
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disco stu wrote:bladeracer wrote:N.Field wrote:I'm thinking of buying a Winchester 1885 in .17 WSM but before taking the final step I'd like to hear from anyone who has any experience of the round in any of the rifles it's currently available in.
If you search gaznazdiak's posts, he had one and really liked it, but wind was a problem and he sold it to get a .223 instead. He did quite a bit of shooting with it as I bought hundreds of spent WSM cases off him.
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I'm intrigued what you used the spent cases for, being rimfire
disco stu wrote:I'm intrigued what you used the spent cases for, being rimfire
bigpete wrote:Thats extremely cool !
N.Field wrote:I'm thinking of buying a Winchester 1885 in .17 WSM but before taking the final step I'd like to hear from anyone who has any experience of the round in any of the rifles it's currently available in.
bigpete wrote:I've toyed about making solids for my 45/70 using 44 mag cases,but they measure out at .456 so are .001" too small. Never shot them
Bill wrote:N.Field wrote:I'm thinking of buying a Winchester 1885 in .17 WSM but before taking the final step I'd like to hear from anyone who has any experience of the round in any of the rifles it's currently available in.
17 WSM is a Crackin round, Ive owned 2 Ruger WSMs, also had a Tikka T1x in 17HMR (great gun, mag & trigger)
The 17hmr really is a 100yd gun despite claims that you can knock over foxes out to 150m....most will run off or you miss due to massive with drift
The 17WSM knocks over foxes with ease out to 200yd and has similar trajectory to the 223, so its ease to use. All 17WSM ammo Ive bought was cheaper then HMR, it always pays to ask for a discount.
17HMR all suffers alot of dud rounds (flyers) and split necks, the WSM on the other hand is tonnes more reliable and accuracy is as good as 0.5MOA for 5 shots if you can do your bit, the HMR cant do that. The Ammo just isnt up to the task.
They only thing that would I would question with the Winchester 1885 is the trigger and can it be adjusted or smithed.
bladeracer wrote:bigpete wrote:I've toyed about making solids for my 45/70 using 44 mag cases,but they measure out at .456 so are .001" too small. Never shot them
The annoying part of that would be cutting the rim off, maybe you could put them in a drill press and use a file.
Only 1-thou under might still work with a long bearing surface. I'd try one.
Base diameter should be .457".
With .44Mag try pushing a .432" bullet right into the bottom, then cut it to length.
Have you tried paper-patching .430" bullets up to .458"?
My .45 Colt fired brass is .468", you could try running them into a .458" sizing die, then cut them off to the length you need.
Personally I'd value the brass more than the bullet.
You could try getting some 3/8" copper tube, which is 9.5mm OD (.375") and 1mm wall thickness. Anneal it with a torch, cut it to the lengths required, then use a mandrel to punch it up to .458", pour lead into it and try it. With a straight-walled tube there is a slight risk of leaving the jacket in the bore, but it'd be worth at least testing. Even 400gn will be an inch long which should mitigate that likelihood due to the amount of surface area.
Bill wrote:N.Field wrote:I'm thinking of buying a Winchester 1885 in .17 WSM but before taking the final step I'd like to hear from anyone who has any experience of the round in any of the rifles it's currently available in.
17 WSM is a Crackin round, Ive owned 2 Ruger WSMs, also had a Tikka T1x in 17HMR (great gun, mag & trigger)
The 17hmr really is a 100yd gun despite claims that you can knock over foxes out to 150m....most will run off or you miss due to massive with drift
The 17WSM knocks over foxes with ease out to 200yd and has similar trajectory to the 223, so its ease to use. All 17WSM ammo Ive bought was cheaper then HMR, it always pays to ask for a discount.
17HMR all suffers alot of dud rounds (flyers) and split necks, the WSM on the other hand is tonnes more reliable and accuracy is as good as 0.5MOA for 5 shots if you can do your bit, the HMR cant do that. The Ammo just isnt up to the task.
They only thing that would I would question with the Winchester 1885 is the trigger and can it be adjusted or smithed.
Bill wrote:N.Field wrote:I'm thinking of buying a Winchester 1885 in .17 WSM but before taking the final step I'd like to hear from anyone who has any experience of the round in any of the rifles it's currently available in.
17 WSM is a Crackin round, Ive owned 2 Ruger WSMs, also had a Tikka T1x in 17HMR (great gun, mag & trigger)
The 17hmr really is a 100yd gun despite claims that you can knock over foxes out to 150m....most will run off or you miss due to massive with drift
The 17WSM knocks over foxes with ease out to 200yd and has similar trajectory to the 223, so its ease to use. All 17WSM ammo Ive bought was cheaper then HMR, it always pays to ask for a discount.
17HMR all suffers alot of dud rounds (flyers) and split necks, the WSM on the other hand is tonnes more reliable and accuracy is as good as 0.5MOA for 5 shots if you can do your bit, the HMR cant do that. The Ammo just isnt up to the task.
They only thing that would I would question with the Winchester 1885 is the trigger and can it be adjusted or smithed.
Oldbloke wrote:N.Field.
IMO just buy a 222 or 223.
Components always available
Components generally cheap
Ammo generally cheap
Ammo very common
More versatile round
Bore easier to clean
Rifle common and perhaps cheaper.
If reloading you can down load a bit to hornet if you want.
They are both very popular for a reason
bladeracer wrote:Oldbloke wrote:N.Field.
IMO just buy a 222 or 223.
Components always available
Components generally cheap
Ammo generally cheap
Ammo very common
More versatile round
Bore easier to clean
Rifle common and perhaps cheaper.
If reloading you can down load a bit to hornet if you want.
They are both very popular for a reason
Agree completely, get an 8"-twist .223 and load your own ammo, makes it incredibly versatile. 35gn bullets at 3900fps or 1000fps depending on usage, up to 80gn bullets at 2850fps.
Oldbloke wrote:N.Field.
IMO just buy a 222 or 223.
Components always available
Components generally cheap
Ammo generally cheap
Ammo very common
More versatile round
Bore easier to clean
Rifle common and perhaps cheaper.
If reloading you can down load a bit to hornet if you want.
They are both very popular for a reason
CT hillbilly wrote:I like my 17hmr by marlin did have 2 great bunny gun and I have dropped pigs also but not from any great distance and shot placement is key, I found running the 17g V-MAX pills they would sometimes split the neck of the shell anyone else had this ?