Are old Brno rifles as good as they are often said to be?

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Post by dnedative » 08 Apr 2022, 8:50 pm

Its rubbish, but I do like it lol
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Post by bladeracer » 08 Apr 2022, 9:31 pm

dnedative wrote:Its rubbish, but I do like it lol


I love the rifle but the sight annoys me :-)
I'm trying to make a simple ramp that can be fitted under the sight, otherwise I'll have to build up the rails and file them to shape.
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Post by dnedative » 08 Apr 2022, 9:46 pm

Would drill and tap a hole under the sight leaf and have a machine screw to set it
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Post by Oldbloke » 08 Apr 2022, 11:42 pm

Mine adjusts ok. Not that I use it. Eyes are too old. Ill take a pic tomorrow
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Post by bladeracer » 09 Apr 2022, 8:10 am

Oldbloke wrote:Mine adjusts ok. Not that I use it. Eyes are too old. Ill take a pic tomorrow


Mine adjusts fine, but the ramp has no curve so adjusting it makes no difference at the target.
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Post by bladeracer » 09 Apr 2022, 8:12 am

dnedative wrote:Would drill and tap a hole under the sight leaf and have a machine screw to set it


That would work to zero it, but not to adjust it.
The sight is graduated from 25m to 200m in 25m increments.
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Post by Oldbloke » 09 Apr 2022, 3:40 pm

These are pics of my 1966 M2 sight.

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Post by bladeracer » 09 Apr 2022, 4:27 pm

Oldbloke wrote:These are pics of my 1966 M2 sight.


Does it approximately follow the bullet's trajectory out to 150m or whatever it goes up to?

The JW25A is an aesthetic replica of the military ramp sight (as used on the original 1945 Brno KKW), but the ramp is basically level, so adjusting it from 25m to 200m makes no difference. It's _roughly_ zeroed at 50m regardless of the ramp position.
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Post by Oldbloke » 09 Apr 2022, 6:51 pm

bladeracer wrote:
Oldbloke wrote:These are pics of my 1966 M2 sight.


Does it approximately follow the bullet's trajectory out to 150m or whatever it goes up to?

The JW25A is an aesthetic replica of the military ramp sight (as used on the original 1945 Brno KKW), but the ramp is basically level, so adjusting it from 25m to 200m makes no difference. It's _roughly_ zeroed at 50m regardless of the ramp position.


To be honest NFI. But the sight does rise as you would expect. I have never used the open sights.

Yours looks like it's missing the V. ?
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Post by bladeracer » 09 Apr 2022, 7:25 pm

Oldbloke wrote:To be honest NFI. But the sight does rise as you would expect. I have never used the open sights.

Yours looks like it's missing the V. ?


I don't believe there's anything missing from it.
Yours looks like it's short enough and has enough curve in the ramp that it would raise the notch very well.
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Post by mchughcb » 10 Apr 2022, 12:13 am

jwai86 wrote:I've heard various people allege that the Brno Model 2 is better built or more accurate than its CZ 45X descendants, and its reputation often commands a premium on the used market. Are any of these claims true, or are they products of nostalgia bias?

I've also seen the Model 1 and Model 5 in lesser numbers on the used market, but can anyone tell me if their differing features make a lot of difference in practice?


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Post by bigpete » 10 Apr 2022, 2:46 am

bladeracer wrote:
Oldbloke wrote:To be honest NFI. But the sight does rise as you would expect. I have never used the open sights.

Yours looks like it's missing the V. ?


I don't believe there's anything missing from it.
Yours looks like it's short enough and has enough curve in the ramp that it would raise the notch very well.


Not sure why you think it needs a curve to the ramp. As the slide goes forward it more than amply lifts the sights. Its been years since I removed mine out of stupidity, but from memory they worked fine
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Post by bigpete » 10 Apr 2022, 2:49 am

Fwiw I'm talking about the brno model 2 sights
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Post by bladeracer » 10 Apr 2022, 9:46 am

bigpete wrote:Not sure why you think it needs a curve to the ramp. As the slide goes forward it more than amply lifts the sights. Its been years since I removed mine out of stupidity, but from memory they worked fine


I know how it works, mine doesn't lift the sight at all whether it's at 25m or 200m.
It needs a curved ramp because of the circular trajectory of the .22LR cartridge. You need about 30-minutes of elevation (half a degree) to move from 25m out to 200m (with subsonic 40gn ammo).
If you look at the photo dnedative posted you can see that the pivot is above the ramp so sliding the sight forward doesn't raise it at all.
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The sight needs to rise about 4mm from the 25m setting to the 200m setting.
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Post by bladeracer » 10 Apr 2022, 9:47 am

bigpete wrote:Fwiw I'm talking about the brno model 2 sights


If yours is the same as what oldbloke posted then the pivot is lower and the ramp is curved, so I would expect it to work reasonably well.
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Post by solarpak » 10 Apr 2022, 7:23 pm

The old Brno and CZ rimfires - probably up too the 452 are certainly collectors pieces with prices only heading north - the only issue is finding one that hasn't been molested and in VGC or better.
Same goes with the Anschutz, Steyr and Sako colelctable rimfires.....

But for me the Weihrauch is my favourite - only have the HW66 Production in .22LR but always looking for another - having said that they are still made and the option to buy new is always tempting.

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Post by Oldbloke » 10 Apr 2022, 7:33 pm

Just glue a shim under the slider dodad
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Post by bladeracer » 10 Apr 2022, 7:36 pm

Oldbloke wrote:Just glue a shim under the slider dodad


Yes, that will work for zeroing it, but I want to be able to use it out to 200m as designed so I'll have to reshape the ramps.
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Post by Oldbloke » 10 Apr 2022, 7:44 pm

My M2 ramp has a curve
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Post by bladeracer » 10 Apr 2022, 8:09 pm

Oldbloke wrote:My M2 ramp has a curve


Yes, I'm hoping I can make a box that I can lay in under the ramp with the sides curved to follow the trajectory. This would allow me to swap in a different box for high-velocity ammo, and it avoids modifying the original sight.
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Post by Shootermick » 10 Apr 2022, 8:27 pm

Oldbloke wrote:These are pics of my 1966 M2 sight.

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Post by robcar » 25 Jun 2022, 12:56 pm

I have a TGF it is very accurate,
I have a Jw 15 Stock altered to resemble a Mod 1
There is not a lot in it.
My most accurate rifle is a BSA Super sport.
A Sportco mod 61 is a good shooter
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Post by Oldbloke » 26 Jun 2022, 6:30 pm

Shootermick wrote:
Oldbloke wrote:These are pics of my 1966 M2 sight.

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Nice rifle there OB.


Yeh, nice now after hours and hours of hand work. Sanding, oiling, cleaning, chasing parts
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Post by jwai86 » 26 Jun 2022, 9:32 pm

Oldbloke wrote:Yeh, nice now after hours and hours of hand work. Sanding, oiling, cleaning, chasing parts
Blah, blah, blah. I think the seller ripped me off. :allegedly: :lol: :lol: :lol:

What was the condition of your rifle when you acquired it?
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Post by Oldbloke » 27 Jun 2022, 12:06 am

Lol. Pretty beat up. But looks and shoots great now.

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Re: Are old Brno rifles as good as they are often said to be

Post by JohnV » 27 Jun 2022, 10:59 am

I have a Brno Mod 2-E and I used to have a Model 1 . Beautiful rifles and both shot well . The Model 2-E can quite often produce sub 1 inch groups at 100 meters in no wind conditions using W Power Points and T 22 stock bedded , trigger lightened . I have done quite a few head shots with this Brno . If you can find one with a good barrel they are well worth buying . One time I was spotlighting with a mate . I was on the light and driving he had his 6.5 x 55 . We spotted a medium size pig and he took a shot , no reaction , took another shot hit the pig well back took another shot nothing happened . By this time the pig had swung back more towards us than away . I only had my Brno 22 at hand so I said I will drop this guy as it came along parallel to us about 50 meters away I hit it right in the head and down it went . My mate went ballistic cursing his gun , it was a bit embarrassing but he never placed a good enough shot . I can't comment about the newer CZ line but older Brno's have been real good to me . Brno also made a Model 5 action and it's heavier and stronger than the Model 1 and 2 actions . I always wanted one to re-barrel but never got one . If you could find a model 5 with an as new barrel grab it .
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Post by Bidgee » 28 Jun 2022, 10:14 am

I've got a 1957 Mod 2. God knows how many rounds though it. It will shoot 1/2" at 50m. I've heard the argument about high bolt lift before and I think its BS. They are hunting rifles, not PRS comp guns. Some dont like the aesthetics of the Brnos because of the higher scope mount but IMO the bolt lift doesn't affect the accuracy or utility of the rifle.
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Post by JohnV » 28 Jun 2022, 11:58 am

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Post by JohnV » 28 Jun 2022, 12:00 pm

JohnV wrote:
Bidgee wrote:I've got a 1957 Mod 2. God knows how many rounds though it. It will shoot 1/2" at 50m. I've heard the argument about high bolt lift before and I think its BS. They are hunting rifles, not PRS comp guns. Some dont like the aesthetics of the Brnos because of the higher scope mount but IMO the bolt lift doesn't affect the accuracy or utility of the rifle.

Same here , It's never affected me in any negative way . When the fox goes down from a head shot at 90 meters who gives a sh*t about bolt lift height . A 1957 model 2 would be a better one than my 2E . My Brother-in-law had a Model 1 and it shot better than mine . I tried to buy it a few times but he would not sell it .
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Post by Bidgee » 28 Jun 2022, 2:48 pm

JohnV wrote:Same here , It's never affected me in any negative way . When the fox goes down from a head shot at 90 meters who gives a sh*t about bolt lift height . A 1957 model 2 would be a better one than my 2E . My Brother-in-law had a Model 1 and it shot better than mine . I tried to buy it a few times but he would not sell it .


I get that. Mine's not the prettiest gun I own - well used, got a cheap Tasco on it, stock is dinged, bluing well worn on barrel - but it would be the last one I'd sell. Mainly because I've had it since I was about 16 and we've done a lot of hunting together. Mine loves subs.
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