JohnV wrote:In Victoria you can't shorten a barrel to less than 19.6 inch but you can buy a new gun with a 16 inch barrel So which state is retarded ?
We can have folding stocks though so we don't need to shorten the barrels
JohnV wrote:In Victoria you can't shorten a barrel to less than 19.6 inch but you can buy a new gun with a 16 inch barrel So which state is retarded ?
JohnV wrote:In Victoria you can't shorten a barrel to less than 19.6 inch but you can buy a new gun with a 16 inch barrel So which state is retarded ?
NorthWester wrote:I can recommend the Aguila .22LR Sniper Subsonic rounds. These are 60gn projectiles and are very accurate in my rifle (old Marlin 25N). Possibly the most accurate that I have used. From what understand a lot of the long range shooters are using them too.
Slightly noisier then the CCI Quiets (710fps), but quieter then most of the other subsonics.
That said seen a few reviews on youtube that hated them... So maybe try and see if your gun likes them.
bladeracer wrote:joneda1 wrote:I expect I will buy boxes of 50 Quiet, 50 Quiet Semi-auto and 50 standard subsonic. I'll fire off enough at home to test the noise level, choose one and then stick to it. The rest of the others can be shot at the range. There are a lot more options to choose from in standard subsonic so if the noise is acceptable then I agree that's a better choice for being able to kill foxes.
Noise level is less important than testing their accuracy. There's no point in being 30dB quieter if you're only wounding your targets. As I said before, lower velocity is significantly quieter than higher velocities, but they are still gunshots. No .22LR ammunition is loud enough for anybody to consider it undue noise in a rural setting, having a chainsaw running for a few hours would be far noisier. Your neighbours finding dead and injured animals on their properties will be a worse situation than them hearing you shooting.
This guy did a fairly basic test to see whether CCI Quiet has enough punch for hunting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihXZ1If50Zc
710fps CCI Quiet is essentially identical at 20m to 1070fps CCI Standard Velocity at 320m, or 1235fps MiniMag at 400m with regard to their effect on the target - 40gn lead bullets impacting at about 700fps. Limit your range, hit the brain, and you'll have no trouble. My own testing has the CCI Quiet penetrating corrugated steel wall sheeting at 165m so it's not to be sneezed at.
joneda1 wrote:I mainly want to test these to see what has a tolerable noise level. I will probably get my wife to stand at the road boundary and see what she can hear when I shoot. If I can get away with regular subsonic then that will be the choice, assuming they are accurate.
My problem is the proximity of residential neighbours so I want to stay as quiet as possible but of course I still need to kill the foxes.
I saw that video, quite interesting.
straightshooter wrote:A large proportion of the radiated noise of a HV 22 is the sonic crack of the projectile in flight. The longer that flight distance is the more apparent noise and an observer at a distance is more likely to perceive the direction the noise is coming from.
A standard velocity projectile makes no noise and the muzzle blast from a 24" barrel is fairly subdued and diminishes with distance.
I suspect that an observer at 200 meters away would not be reliably able to tell which direction the sound comes from if he were unable to see the shooter due to obstructions such as trees or hills.
Over the years when there were plenty of rabbits around I used T22's and they were very effective with head and upper body shots and worked just as well on hares. No different to HV ammunition.
Any standard velocity target ammunition should be comparable.
I have never shot a fox with a 22 so can't comment on their effectiveness in that situation.