Failed .22 round

[rsj223]

It was my fault mostly, I brought some old ammo at the last shooting fair, it was nickel plated .22 ammo with a "W" stamped on the bottom as you will see in the pic if failed but what P****d me off was the rifle bolt did not contain all the failure, it felt like bits of powder hit in the side of face and the noise was extreme no plugs were used as it was "just a .22" never again.
Anyway its done now and things that teachers that have said over the years just keep repeating in my head, I think the round was faulty but not sure why or how much the bolt should have contained so whats your thoughts.

[sandgroperbill]

Ruger american rimfire, right? They have a gas escape port drilled into the action in case of failure and the actions are apparently quite strong.

Without being there to experience it I probably wouldn't be too concerned

[Title_II]

If you saw my .22 videos I have .22 explode in my face all the time and my gun doesn't even stop running

I'm ugly and I wear eye protection so I'm pretty well prepared.

[rsj223]

Ruger american rimfire, right? They have a gas escape port drilled into the action in case of failure and the actions are apparently quite strong.

Without being there to experience it I probably wouldn't be too concerned

Yeah it's a Ruger, that port is on the left side this came out on the right along my face/cheek/ear, I'm ok with it just wish I had plugs in.
Other thing is I wanted to give this one to my kids but think I better find a better .22 any suggestions.

[rsj223]

If you saw my .22 videos I have .22 explode in my face all the time and my gun doesn't even stop running

I'm ugly and I wear eye protection so I'm pretty well prepared.

The rifle is fine and should have been waring protection, had many go wrong in my old Baikal but never came back at me.

[bigfellascott]

If you saw my .22 videos I have .22 explode in my face all the time and my gun doesn't even stop running

I'm ugly and I wear eye protection so I'm pretty well prepared.

The rifle is fine and should have been waring protection, had many go wrong in my old Baikal but never came back at me.

I don't think a condom would have made much diff

[Title_II]

His mate is preggers with twin .17 HMR

[bigfellascott]

His mate is preggers with twin .17 HMR

[rsj223]

If you saw my .22 videos I have .22 explode in my face all the time and my gun doesn't even stop running

I'm ugly and I wear eye protection so I'm pretty well prepared.

The rifle is fine and should have been waring protection, had many go wrong in my old Baikal but never came back at me.

I don't think a condom would have made much diff

When I was typing I thought it not the best way to say it but thought "nah they wont read it that way"

[rsj223]

Nioa sent me a reply and are happy to look at it, said something about checking head space?

[rsj223]

His mate is preggers with twin .17 HMR

Twin 22' would mean a 44?

[rsj223]

I forgot, they want to know what type the ammo was, I brought it used in a Winchester Laser box but does anyone know or confirm what the shell is in the pic?

[beerd]

I forgot, they want to know what type the ammo was, I brought it used in a Winchester Laser box but does anyone know or confirm what the shell is in the pic?

Could be Laser.

The Laser Hollow Point variety come with normal copper cases, but the Solid Point has nickel cases like you've pictured.

Like this?

[Herdsman]

Nioa sent me a reply and are happy to look at it, said something about checking head space?

This is what headspace is if you're not familiar.

credit: http://www.forsterproducts.com/client_images/catalog19938/pages/images/Headspace_2_lg.jpg

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Where it's measured from varies a little depending on the type of cartridge but you get the idea.

If the headspace is incorrect there can be all sorts of issues from closing the bolt, changing the pressure build, damaging brass and more.

Can be real dangerous in centrefire cartridges where there is a lot more bang.

If it's incorrect though it will effect all cartridges. Any other problems? How many bad out of how many good shots?

[rsj223]

I forgot, they want to know what type the ammo was, I brought it used in a Winchester Laser box but does anyone know or confirm what the shell is in the pic?

Could be Laser.

The Laser Hollow Point variety come with normal copper cases, but the Solid Point has nickel cases like you've pictured.

Like this?

Yep thats the box they were in, do those ones have a "W" on the bottom?

[rsj223]

This is what headspace is if you're not familiar.

Headspace_2_lg.jpg

Where it's measured from varies a little depending on the type of cartridge but you get the idea.

If the headspace is incorrect there can be all sorts of issues from closing the bolt, changing the pressure build, damaging brass and more.

Can be real dangerous in centrefire cartridges where there is a lot more bang.

If it's incorrect though it will effect all cartridges. Any other problems? How many bad out of how many good shots?

Ok that could explain why there was black powder marks along sides, I would have shot at least 2000 and had 2 do the same but this one was worse.

[Wheelbarrow]

How far down the case do the powder marks go?

Just a mm or two or near full length?

[Title_II]

I really need to collect my brass and get a pic next time I shoot my M11/22. You guys will think my gun blew up

[rsj223]

How far down the case do the powder marks go?

Just a mm or two or near full length?

From memory over half way

[BBJ]

More that half would be a lot. Typically it would be 2mm or so.

A bit of guesswork here as not intimately familiar with the specific rifle and ammunition but it sounds like excess headspace could be the issue.

It would explain the damaged brass, and the carbon making its way down the outside of the cases could/would be due to insufficient pressure to expand the brass to the chamber wall and seal it off against it which would be related.

I would take NIOA up on their offer to inspect.

[rsj223]

More that half would be a lot. Typically it would be 2mm or so.

A bit of guesswork here as not intimately familiar with the specific rifle and ammunition but it sounds like excess headspace could be the issue.

It would explain the damaged brass, and the carbon making its way down the outside of the cases could/would be due to insufficient pressure to expand the brass to the chamber wall and seal it off against it which would be related.

I would take NIOA up on their offer to inspect.

NIOA have it now, will just to wait and see when it gets back to my LGS I hope its something that can been seen.

[inventurkey]

Let us know what they say if you would.

Curious to know the results for my own information.

[rsj223]

Will update as soon as.

[rsj223]

Well got a call from LGS saying NO not that its back from NIOA but he took it out last night and says "it shoots fine it must have been the ammo" I said you F*****g think, so I told him again YES the ammo failed but why did it come past my face when there is a exhaust port? um it don't have a port as I hear the zipper open on the bag "oh yeah it does" well it must have been the ammo and you should be careful what ammo you use, anyway this went on for about 10min I just said I will just pick it up thanks.
Will send a email to NIOA and see how they deal with it.
I know the ammo failed
I just want to know is it normal for it to blast out the bolt side
I had many fail in my old baikal .22 never had one rush out past my head like the ruger.

[RDobber]

So did he actually send it to NIOA or just shot it once himself and decided CBF with anything more?

WTF

[rsj223]

So did he actually send it to NIOA or just shot it once himself and decided CBF with anything more?

WTF

From what he told me he took it out fired a heap through it and nothing went wrong, did not send it off.
I sent emails to NIOA and Ruger (USA) late last week but nothing back yet.

[sbd3927]

So did he actually send it to NIOA or just shot it once himself and decided CBF with anything more?

WTF

From what he told me he took it out fired a heap through it and nothing went wrong, did not send it off.
I sent emails to NIOA and Ruger (USA) late last week but nothing back yet.

Congratulate him on his diligence, and acceptance of full responsibility for anything similar that happens in future with the gun, as it was his decision to not send it on as he was requested to do. Ask him to put it in writing too...

User received face full of gas and unburnt powder upon cartridge failure, safety port did not prevent this occuring. I, <name>.... inspected the gun and find nothing wrong with it. Signed...<name>... __/8/2015

If you ask for this, I expect he'll send it off the next day...

[Seconds]

+1 for above.

[rsj223]

Update, I rang NIOA and they told me to take it back to the LGS but NIOA had to call them first, so dropped it off 18/8/15 at LGS, received a call from them today saying that the gunsmith said ''Its not fit for use" and they will give me a full refund, I ask what do you mean he was hesitant and said they will just use it for parts.

[sandgroperbill]

Do you reckon you'll get another one, or use the refund towards something different?