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Post by NukeBOMB88 » 05 Oct 2015, 9:06 pm

G'day guys I'm looking for some advice on my next rifle. I would like to get a rimfire rifle capable of reliably hitting a Starling or sparrow at up to 100m and a .17 would fit the bill I think. I have been shooting them off the tops of my silos with my .22 but it is really only good to 50m. So, any advice on what rifle to get would be appreciated , thanks :D
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Post by Heckler303 » 05 Oct 2015, 9:12 pm

I'm also looking to get a 17HMR at some point. They cost around the same as a 22 mag, but nearly 200m effective range for a rimfire is great. One of my mates has one and he loves it, not to good in wind, but it hits hard and hits fast. 2600fps.

Out of 22 mag or 17HMR, I might stick with the HMR for its speed and longer range. Not that there would be anything wrong with 22 mag.
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Post by NukeBOMB88 » 05 Oct 2015, 9:14 pm

Heckler303 wrote:I'm also looking to get a 17HMR at some point. They cost around the same as a 22 mag, but nearly 200m effective range for a rimfire is great. One of my mates has one and he loves it, not to good in wind, but it hits hard and hits fast. 2600fps.

Out of 22 mag or 17HMR, I might stick with the HMR for its speed and longer range. Not that there would be anything wrong with 22 mag.


Yeah that's what I was thinking , .17 shoots a bit flatter so it'd be better on the birds I think
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Post by Radagast » 06 Oct 2015, 1:53 am

I have the CZ 452. Mine shoots to the same POI with every brand of ammo I've used. Last time I sighted it in at 100m I used a copper tack as an aiming point and shot out the tack.
That said, the round seems to be inherently accurate, so choice of rifle can be based on personal preference. If buying again I would consider the Cross Over due to the stainless steel and polymer construction. CZs are prone to rust if not well oiled.
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Post by NukeBOMB88 » 06 Oct 2015, 6:57 am

Radagast wrote:I have the CZ 452. Mine shoots to the same POI with every brand of ammo I've used. Last time I sighted it in at 100m I used a copper tack as an aiming point and shot out the tack.
That said, the round seems to be inherently accurate, so choice of rifle can be based on personal preference. If buying again I would consider the Cross Over due to the stainless steel and polymer construction. CZs are prone to rust if not well oiled.


Him yeah I have heard that cz are a great rifle, and Lithgow sound great too :D :)
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Post by Flyer » 06 Oct 2015, 2:37 pm

I just bought a CZ455 three-barrel Special - 22lr, 22wmr and 17hmr all-in-one. I couldn't decide whether I wanted a magnum or hummer, so got the best of both.
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Post by NukeBOMB88 » 06 Oct 2015, 2:48 pm

Flyer wrote:I just bought a CZ455 three-barrel Special - 22lr, 22wmr and 17hmr all-in-one. I couldn't decide whether I wanted a magnum or hummer, so got the best of both.


Gee that'd be great, how much did that cost you if you don't mind me asking?
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Post by Flyer » 06 Oct 2015, 7:55 pm

$1200, but I'm in rural WA. They can be had much cheaper if you shop around online: $975 - http://www.claytonfirearms.com.au/produ ... it-clayton

Apparently there are lots of three-barrel kits in stock as a fresh shipment of 300+ recently arrived in Australia from CZ.
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Post by NukeBOMB88 » 06 Oct 2015, 8:52 pm

Flyer wrote:$1200, but I'm in rural WA. They can be had much cheaper if you shop around online: $975 - http://www.claytonfirearms.com.au/produ ... it-clayton

Apparently there are lots of three-barrel kits in stock as a fresh shipment of 300+ recently arrived in Australia from CZ.


Gee that's not too bad, I'll give it a look if I see one. :D
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Post by Mr Pete » 06 Oct 2015, 9:24 pm

Radagast wrote:CZs are prone to rust if not well oiled.


That's interesting - I have the CZ455 (.22) - is the rust an issue with all/most of their models, or just a few?
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Post by Flyer » 06 Oct 2015, 10:07 pm

Can't say, as I've only just got mine. But a few people at the club have 455s and don't seem to have any issues, as well as 452s and older Brnos. I'd imagine any rifle that's not looked after (apart from stainless or nickel plated) will rust .

EDIT: Oops, just realised that comment wasn't for me! Sorry. But my in my (very limited) experience, I haven't heard of any issues. There are a lot of CZs and Brnos at our club and everyone seems to love them. I bought my own 452 and 455 on the strength of how well the club 452 performed.
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Post by Fujix » 07 Oct 2015, 9:30 am

NukeBOMB88 wrote:G'day guys I'm looking for some advice on my next rifle. I would like to get a rimfire rifle capable of reliably hitting a Starling or sparrow at up to 100m and a .17 would fit the bill I think. I have been shooting them off the tops of my silos with my .22 but it is really only good to 50m. So, any advice on what rifle to get would be appreciated , thanks :D


I think you're on the right track with the .17HMR.

.22 rimfire range is limited, but moving into small centrefire like .204 Ruger or .223 Rem isn't going to be practical.

.223 range is 1,000+ (forgetting accuracy, just talking maximum range) so finding a safe backdrop would be all but impossible if you're after birds.

Unless you have a huge property and line of sights across it, knowing no one else will be there?

.17 Hornady is on the money IMO.
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Post by NukeBOMB88 » 07 Oct 2015, 6:04 pm

Fujix wrote:
NukeBOMB88 wrote:G'day guys I'm looking for some advice on my next rifle. I would like to get a rimfire rifle capable of reliably hitting a Starling or sparrow at up to 100m and a .17 would fit the bill I think. I have been shooting them off the tops of my silos with my .22 but it is really only good to 50m. So, any advice on what rifle to get would be appreciated , thanks :D


I think you're on the right track with the .17HMR.

.22 rimfire range is limited, but moving into small centrefire like .204 Ruger or .223 Rem isn't going to be practical.

.223 range is 1,000+ (forgetting accuracy, just talking maximum range) so finding a safe backdrop would be all but impossible if you're after birds.

Unless you have a huge property and line of sights across it, knowing no one else will be there?

.17 Hornady is on the money IMO.


Yeah mate I've tried both the .204 and the .223 on these birds( shooting in a safe direction into my property ) and I just found them too loud and expensive to run for shooting those little birdies, also knocked the top of one of my silo caps off too :lol: :lol: . And the distance I'm shooting is just a little too far for the .22. Thought the ,17hmr would do the trick :thumbsup:
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Post by happyhunter » 13 Oct 2015, 12:27 am

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Post by VICHunter » 14 Oct 2015, 8:50 am

happyhunter wrote:Either way dude the 17hmr is a pretty awesome fun to shoot if you don't mind spending more on ammo.


Ammo cost is slowly improving I think too.
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Post by Eldwardo » 14 Oct 2015, 10:38 am

Hey guys
Just to throw a spanner in the works and a bit of lateral thinking I have just purchased a Ruger in 17 wsm and she sure is a beaut !! Shoots extremely flat little or no wind affected projectiles does a decent speed (3000fps) hits hard enough to knock over foxes and big hares at 300 m ( and have done it easy ) and cost of ammo is similar to 17 hmr and all the while still be a rimfire
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Post by Heckler303 » 14 Oct 2015, 11:03 am

Eldwardo wrote:Hey guys
Just to throw a spanner in the works and a bit of lateral thinking I have just purchased a Ruger in 17 wsm and she sure is a beaut !! Shoots extremely flat little or no wind affected projectiles does a decent speed (3000fps) hits hard enough to knock over foxes and big hares at 300 m ( and have done it easy ) and cost of ammo is similar to 17 hmr and all the while still be a rimfire
Food for thought !!


I've seen boxes of Winchester brand 17WSM at my LGS and it looks like a real treat of a rimfire both in statistics and in the price tag (16.50 for 50 compared to 27 for 50 CCI 17HMRs) but finding a rifle in that caliber isn't entirely easy and it still hasn't kicked off yet, but it would be good to see it becoming more popular and even overtaking 17HMR like how 22lr took over 22 long.


How much did you pay for your Ruger and where from?
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Post by sandgroperbill » 14 Oct 2015, 11:14 am

There are a couple of major risks with the .17wsm. First is the number of rifles that are chambered for it (last time I checked, a total of three, though more may have been released).

Second, is that the savage offering has, by all accounts, has had a lot of returns for various things.

Third, was that ammo is limited, both in availability and range. Last time I read, there was also a relatively high rate of bad rounds for the ammo.

Now, most of this can be improved (and I hope it is), but when I was considering a .17wsm myself, I decided that the risk of the cartridge just not taking off and becoming a dead calibre was too high for my liking, especially when the .204ruger has taken off, and is reload able.
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Post by Heckler303 » 14 Oct 2015, 11:31 am

sandgroperbill wrote:There are a couple of major risks with the .17wsm. First is the number of rifles that are chambered for it (last time I checked, a total of three, though more may have been released).

Second, is that the savage offering has, by all accounts, has had a lot of returns for various things.

Third, was that ammo is limited, both in availability and range. Last time I read, there was also a relatively high rate of bad rounds for the ammo.

Now, most of this can be improved (and I hope it is), but when I was considering a .17wsm myself, I decided that the risk of the cartridge just not taking off and becoming a dead calibre was too high for my liking, especially when the .204ruger has taken off, and is reload able.



You're spot on with it sandgroper.

I've taken a look at the .204 ruger and thought a bit on it, but if I had to pick one, I might actually go with a 17 hornet, because I get similar to that of WSM but also re loadable, and .17 projectiles are easier to come by than .20s IMO. If sticking with rimfire, 17HMR would be really nice, or if WSM could become a lot more known out there and easier to find, I'd surely pick it up.

Just my 2c really.
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Post by Eldwardo » 14 Oct 2015, 12:24 pm

Hey guys
I bought my Ruger 17 wsm for $1300 from my LGS in Brisbane and have never been happier in the rifle or the round . True some of what you say is true ( especially about the savage ) but in saying that I now know that there are at least 5 different manufacturers producing this rifle and 4 out of 5 of the gun shops in my area sell the ammo! A bit of forethought and pre planning can eliminate this problem anyway. For me and my needs and wants it fit the bill perfectly, I didn't want another round to reload ( I already have 5 different calibres to reload ) and wanted something with enough juice to hit hard past 200m for hares and foxes !! As for the calibre not taking off I don't think that's going to happen after all it is based on the biggest produced case by Winchester in the last 50 years ( the .27 calibre nail gun blank ) to top it all off it is an absolute tack driver and puts five shots in a 20 cent coin at 200. It is the first Ruger I have owned ( silly me ) and is as fine a finished product I have seen . Bit of fun around the bush too .
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Post by NukeBOMB88 » 14 Oct 2015, 4:58 pm

Gee I think I might have to have a look at my local gun store to see if he's got any .17wsm , sounds like a great little round!
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Post by Heckler303 » 14 Oct 2015, 5:19 pm

It does sound a lot like a great varmint round, it's just the lack or rifles and the price range that puts me off. If I could pick up one for 300-400 bucks I'd take it.
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Post by on_one_wheel » 14 Oct 2015, 8:25 pm

If CZ made a 452 .17 wsm I'd head out and buy one tomorrow

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Post by Sam45 » 15 Oct 2015, 4:12 pm

I wonder how the .17HMR would stack up shooting roos's out to 100 yards :)
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Post by happyhunter » 15 Oct 2015, 10:33 pm

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Post by keg » 20 Oct 2015, 12:14 pm

I recently purchased a Savage 93 with accutrigger, bull barrel, and varmint thumb hole stock. The trigger is an extremely clean breaking 3.5 lbs. I run Hornady 17 grn vmax load and it will hold >.5" group at 100yrds all day long. The only thing I didn't like about the rifle was the tiny bolt handle so I made another that is straight and much larger. They are a great value for the money.
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Post by Xerox » 22 Oct 2015, 10:57 am

keg wrote:The only thing I didn't like about the rifle was the tiny bolt handle so I made another that is straight and much larger.


Yeah the factory one could have a bit bigger/longer grip I reckon too.
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