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Post by bigrich » 23 Apr 2018, 6:44 pm

i have owned a hw60j 22 mag that would shoot 1" - ! 1/2 " at 100 very consistantly. bought a hw66 in 22lr that just gets better and better the more i shoot it. brilliant triggers as well would recommend to anyone. have heard of extraction problems from time to time. i traced this on my 22lr to winchester ammo with oxidization on the brass. these rifles have very tight "match" spec chambers, and some ammo can behave like this. i own several "krico" rifles, and they are almost exactly the same in construction. the rear locking bolt on my krico 22 hornet is identical to my weihrauch bolt. i think that people from krico must have moved on to weihrauch at some point.
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Post by Flyer » 26 Apr 2018, 8:07 pm

I bought one - thanks to Allan :lol: Just waiting on the license. I was looking for something with a better trigger than a CZ but a little cheaper than an Annie 54. I heard the Weihraugh was better than the 64 for around the same price or slightly cheaper. Everything I've read about them has been good. I guess I'll find out soon enough.

Ordered this one with a 600g (max) set trigger, just for something different:

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Post by bigrich » 27 Apr 2018, 4:52 am

hey flyer, that'll be a fantastic rifle mate. only issue i've ever had was a batch of chinwester ammo that wouldn't extract due to oxidization on the cases. eley sport (green box) is what i use for plinking. $10 a box and very consistant. cheers
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Post by Flyer » 27 Apr 2018, 10:34 am

I've got a fair bit of Elley Club (Orange box) and SK Match to try through it. The guys at Alcock and Pierce (Aussie distributor) were great, giving advice on ammo as well as letting me mix and match components. All the rifles are brought in as separate barrelled receivers, stocks and triggers, so you can pretty much order any combination you want. They also take CZ style scope mounts, which I have plenty of.
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Post by sungazer » 27 Apr 2018, 12:03 pm

I really like that stock design hope you get a nice bit of wood as well as a shooter.
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Post by bigrich » 27 Apr 2018, 2:18 pm

i've tried eley club flyer , and didn't notice much difference between it and the sport. yet to try SK, lots of people say it's good, so should try some soon. the thumbhole stock is a looker. i loved the barvarian style stock on my 22 mag. unfortunately my krico 22 hornet made that rifle redundant. make sure ya post some results once it settles in. i should give my hw66 22lr another go this weekend. it's had about 300 rounds through it now and is starting to settle. after about 10 fouling shots, it will shoot 3 shots touching one after another at 50, then a flyer on the fourth or fifth blows out the group size. excellent triggers on the weihrauchs. i haven't moved mine from the factory setting. it was great straight out of the box
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Post by Flyer » 27 Apr 2018, 5:05 pm

Elley Club shot well in my old CZ 452, but SK was more consistent for the same price ($12-13). You have to spend something like $25-30 a box on Elley Tenex to get the good stuff.

sungazer wrote:I really like that stock design hope you get a nice bit of wood as well as a shooter.

So do I. Unfortunately, the stock on mine doesn't have any chequering. Apparently A&P brought in about 90 of the old thumbhole stocks without chequering some time ago and there are still a few left. The good(ish) news is I spoke to them and the new stock arrives either May or June and they've offered to swap it out for me if I wish.

With the amount of time it takes to process licenses here in WA, I may not be able to take possession of mine until then anyway! Regardless, if I keep the stock in pristine condition, they'll do a straight swap. Or I've been offered a Match stock for a small premium ($100) if I want to swap earlier. There was (I think) about $300 difference between the Thumbhole and Match models originally, but the only two differences are the Match stock and bull barrel. The Match is a bit heavier than the Thumbhole and Production models - 3.85kg vs 3.15kg - which is the main reason I opted for the Thumbhole, as both it and the Production models come with medium-weight barrels that should suffice for offhand shooting.

Also, there's no premium on the two-stage match trigger, so you can order it for no extra cost. Some actually prefer the single trigger, but for legal reasons it comes with a 1.2kg spring. However, the match trigger spring will go straight in and lowers that to 600g maximum (it will go down to something like 30g apparently) and is available if you intend to use it for competition.
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Post by sungazer » 27 Apr 2018, 7:35 pm

What I like about it is the much shallower slope on the bottom of the butt. If you put your rifle in a rear bag it is much better for vertical if when it recoils it comes straight back and doesn't change aim. not many stocks are made like this mine included even they one i made myself. Still learning all the little tricks. Im not sure why stocks where ever made in some of the shapes they were. then history and the reason well he made one like that so it must be good carries the same design forward.
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Post by bigrich » 27 Apr 2018, 9:23 pm

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Post by NTSOG » 27 May 2018, 11:29 am

G'day,

I have quite a number of Weihrauch air rifles of different types and calibres and they are high quality and accurate rifles. I also have a new HW 60 J in .222. It has been very accurate even as I have been running in the barrel. In fact it matches my older Anschutz 1532 also in .222 Rem. ''HW" stands for the post WW II director Hans Weihrauch Snr. [deceased 1990]. Acme Firearms in Frankston, Victoria sell a range of HW rifles, rimfire and air.

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Post by SCJ429 » 27 May 2018, 7:41 pm

I am sure Gwion's girlfriend was a very pretty girl. Weih in German means to hallow, and Rauch mean rough or hairy. Weihrauch means incense or Frankincense. The take on Frankincense must be holy smoke.
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Post by sungazer » 27 May 2018, 7:50 pm

So Flyer give us the run down on how much it cost where to look at the different options ect. Sounds like the distributor is in WA good for you to be able to have a look at all the goodies but what about us over here on the east coast?
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Post by Flyer » 28 May 2018, 4:27 pm

Well, the distributor is Alcock and Pierce, and they're in Melbourne. I was quoted by my local dealer on the regular HW66 Production ($1275) and the thumbhole ($1400), which I opted for. I'm sure you guys over east can get them cheaper, as shipping to WA is included in the price, not to mention storage fees once the rifle arrives.

I spoke to Alcock and Pierce on the phone about all the options, and they were really helpful - I would recommend a Weihrauch based on service alone.

I would love to tell you about the rifle itself, but this being WA, my application is still being processed 6 weeks on . . .
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Post by bigrich » 28 May 2018, 4:45 pm

make sure you give us some photo's and a review when ya get it flyer. i'm wishing i got my hw66 with the thumbhole stock myself . would like to hear your opinion on the stock. iv'e put about 500 rounds through my hw66 now, earlier extraction problems with some winchester ammo have gone and i get the best accuracy with 40gr win sub hollow points. going to try federal premium hunter soon. wont use copper jackets in my rifle, accuracy is much better with lead. if i want something faster with copper jackets i'll break out my 22 hornet. any idea on scope flyer ?
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Post by Flyer » 28 May 2018, 5:14 pm

Yeah, I picked up a good second-hand Weaver Grand Slam 6-20x40 AO with the Varminter reticle (fine crosshair with a very small dot in the middle) - exactly the same as the top scope in Allan's photo here:
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I've owned a couple of the new Weaver Grand Slams now, and they have great glass for the money, while the side focus models all go down to 25 yards. I really liked the look of the Bushnell Elite 4500 6-24x40 - it also has side focus down to 25 yards - but the crosshairs were a bit thick for my liking.

I'm happy with the Weaver. It's a little longer than my other scopes, but is not too heavy and has excellent glass and a great reticle, as well as 1/8 clicks and focus down to 10 yards. I've got another Weaver GS 4-16 Varmint-EBX that will be going on a CZ 453 17hmr - I highly recommend that scope (one of the best for the money, IMO), but I needed a bit more magnification for target work on my 22.

I'll be running SK rifle match ammo through mine. I also have some Elley Club and Winchester Powerpoints (which shot really well in my CZ 452), but the SK seems to be more consistent and is only $12 a box, which is pretty good for match ammo.
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Post by sungazer » 28 May 2018, 5:31 pm

Mate that 6 weeks stuff sucks if I had a spare couple of grand I could go in tell the guys to apply for a PTA as I peruse and by the time a rifle and been looked at a few options decided on a chat and chinwag come time to pay the PTA would be ready.

Yeah I have a Bushnell 6500 6-25*56 Tactical elite with the G2 Reticle with Mil/mil adjustments. I really like the scope as was going to get another one but was a bit tight for cash and went with an Athlon regret that in the end a few hundred more for a much better scope and have seen a few come up on Used Guns. The Athlon is not bad I am just finding it a bit more bulky than the Bushnell and the adjustments are a bit soft even after taking out some of the grease.
The 1/8 clicks on your scope if it proves reliable tracking scope is nice same as on the NF comp I have, The 0.1 mil adjustments are a bit bigger than even a 1/4 MOA still not a huge issue.

Waiting for the pictures an a review. I could see myself with one of those if I won tatts as well as the Alpha rotary just to have all bases covered. Perhaps need a lever to round out that collection never used one so need to get that sorted.

Pity your in WA i could get the Sk Rifle match for $9 for you. I still have a brick on RWS subs to use up a a few other odds and ends plus the Winchester Powerpoints which will only come out of the riffle after being fired they must be jammed in the lands but hit harder and dont loose to much accuracy so I nay hold on to those. But I am thinking of just keeping the SK Rifle Match only. And some 22 shot for those close up encounters with snakes.
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Post by Flyer » 28 May 2018, 6:03 pm

WA= Wait Awhile

I spent many years overseas and when I returned to Perth it did my head in with how long we have to wait for everything.

We pay $180 per license application, too, so clearly we're not getting very good value for money!
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Post by bigrich » 28 May 2018, 8:55 pm

weaver scopes ay flyer ? i'll have to check 'em out. i bin useing leuopold on most of my rifles, but i picked up a second hand zeiss terra 3 , 4-12x42 for a real good price to put on my weihrauch. have a older bushnell trophy 3-9x40 for my krico 22 lr that seems to have nicer glass than some newer bushnells i've looked at. WA laws do seem a bit bizzare , i wanted to buy a krico 22 hornet of a guy over there, and he told me the cops stopped austpost from transporting rifles and you had to use a courier through a gun shop. is this true do you know ?
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Post by Flyer » 29 May 2018, 1:13 am

Yes, it's true. Everyone else in Australia can use AusPost, but not WA - we need to use a courier. All it does is add to the price of everything.
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Post by bigrich » 29 May 2018, 4:39 pm

that sux @ss flyer. it explains why second hand guns seem to be cheaper over there. allowance for courier costs. :roll:
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Post by deanp100 » 29 May 2018, 4:44 pm

Sportco 10a just up on ozgunsales for $245. These things are rock solid and is the same action used in the sportco hornet so it is over engineered for a rimfire. One of the first sportco models made and ready to go. The 63a is a more refined rifle but these are strong.

Sorry. I just put this in the wrong topic. That’s why it made no sense whatsoever.
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Post by Flyer » 30 Aug 2018, 2:32 pm

After a bit of an issue with the bedding on my new Weihrauch Thumbhole, Alcock & Pierce came to the party and sent me a new Jagdmatch stock to try, as well as another Thumbhole stock and a single trigger. I get to keep what I want and send the rest back, with an extra $100 for the JM stock if I want - which is really a work of art.

Anyway, finally got down the range yesterday and tried some SK Standard Plus and SK Rifle Match ammo. The range is indoors at 35m. When I played my part, the rifle was putting five shots through one hole.

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I also swapped back to the Thumbhole stock and played with the torque settings and got it to shoot pretty good as well, but not quite as consistently as the Jagdmatch stock.

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The moral of the story is, if you buy one of these get the Jagdmatch version or, if you prefer the HW60 or HW66 walkaround versions, they will probably respond well to being bedded. My version doesn't have the heavy barrel, but shoots as well as I could ask for.
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Post by bigrich » 30 Aug 2018, 5:18 pm

that's good support from alcock and peirce . good result flyer i might have to look into bedding my hw66. it will shoot one hole at 50 on a windless day anyway but. the ammo it likes is eley sub hollow points . so it's good it's most accurate ammo is for hunting . :D how is the action bedded in the JM stock ? photo's please
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Post by allan » 30 Aug 2018, 8:03 pm

bigrich wrote: how is the action bedded in the JM stock ? photo's please
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The factory inletting in the JM stock is about as good as it gets in a factory production rim fire - Very precise with plenty of rigidity - No pillars of any description and not required IMO - My JM rifle is one of the most consistent I currently have.
The HW60 hogs back stock inletting on mine is not nearly as precise as the JM and groups reflected this. A decent set of professionally installed pillars made a significant improvement.
I'm very pleased to hear that Alcock and Pierce have worked with Flyer to obtain a satisfactory outcome.

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Post by bigrich » 30 Aug 2018, 9:34 pm

thanks allan, might look into pillars. the action looks like it would be fussy to bed with resin compound :thumbsup:
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Post by Flyer » 31 Aug 2018, 2:16 am

As Allan said, the Jagdmatch stock does't come with pillars, but the HW60 Production and Thumbhole both do. If I were to bed one, I would replace the flimsy stock pillars with something a little more substantial and then bed it front and back, a bit like Allan has done.

I can't make up my mind at the moment if I want to keep the Jagdmatch stock - which is about 450g heavier - or the Thumbhole. The JM is clearly the better stock, but I like the Thumbhole, too, as it's nicely balanced and has a slight longer length of pull. If I keep the Thumbhole, I will definitely bed it.
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Re: Weihrauch rimfire rifle distributor Australia?

Post by allan » 13 Aug 2019, 2:11 pm

Another up-date for this thread.
I decided to upgrade one of these Weihrauch HW60 actions. I had the receiver threaded and fitted with a match chambered 3 groove Benchmark. I then dropped it into the Running Boar stock. I think it looks OK - Certainly different. I've just started a bit of ammo testing but it's clearly going to be a very accurate 22.
Flyer...If you see this, I scored another of these old Weaver Grand Slams in mint condition from a RFC contact in Arizona - Makes a good combo. with the stainless barrel.
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Re: Weihrauch rimfire rifle distributor Australia?

Post by mick8919 » 30 Sep 2022, 5:13 pm

Hi Allen,
its only a couple of years later, but if you are still around, I'm chasing some info.
Do you know of any company anywhere in the world that does aftermarket stocks for a HW66JM
I own one and absolutely love it, it out shoots all my others including the Annie Match 64 and is faultless.
I shoot a fair bit of Metallic Silhouette, but the stock on the Jagd Match doesn't meet the rules.
It is a beautiful piece of timber, and I cant bring myself to chop it up. Alcock and Pierce don't currently have any spares.
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Re: Weihrauch rimfire rifle distributor Australia?

Post by allan » 01 Oct 2022, 11:02 am

Hi Mick:
Yes, I'm still around but not sure for how much longer - Just completed treatment for my THIRD cancer diagnosis and now waiting for the results of a PET scan I had this week.

On a brighter note, the only company I know doing a Weihrauch HW60/66 inlet is FORM Rifle Stocks in the UK. Raytrade are agents for them here in Australia.

I tried to buy a CRUSADER TAC for my rifles when Covid was raging around the world & gave up after months of exploring all the options.

I contacted Cameron Hatcher - He could inlet one of his stock options for the HW60/66 but needed one of my stocks to use as a template - Cameron couldn't guarantee that my stock wouldn't suffer minor damage (which I completely understand) so I just kept the HW60J in its hogs back stock & the HW66JM in its factory stock.

I've since gone down the Remington 700 foot print style rim fires road and acquired the likes of Bergara, Vudoo & Rim X. My opinion of these Weihrauch rifles hasn't changed though. They are one of the "sleepers" of the rim fire world & there's not much out there offering comparable quality and accuracy at anywhere near the price point.

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Post by northdude » 02 Oct 2022, 7:23 am

Love to get a weihrauch 222
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